Some of us have referred to the constant chaos trump creates. This is what we mean.

[berg80]

When Trump says a trade deal is at risk, he's violating the terms of the deals he's already signed. If you can't be trusted to honour your commitments and promises, you are dishonest and untrustworthy.

When Europe says that they're not prepared to ratify a trade deal because Trump has already violated its terms, YOU'RE in trouble.

There is no point in signing a deal you're not going to honour. Trump never signed a contract he wasn't ready to tear up if it suits him.

The contrast between Obama and trump couldn't be more stark. Obama engineered the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership and Trans-Pacific Partnership to foster the growth of trade with the EU and allies in the Pacific theater. The Orange Menace tore them up then launch the US in to a trade war with the world.

 

[22lcidw]

The contrast between Obama and trump couldn't be more stark. Obama engineered the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership and Trans-Pacific Partnership to foster the growth of trade with the EU and allies in the Pacific theater. The Orange Menace tore them up then launch the US in to a trade war with the world.

Rosie O'Donnel is moving to Somalia. Ellen to Haiti. Frauds. And the real empowered that is destroying the west.

 

[Clipper]

So Trump can’t change his mind on something from six plus years ago? Weird that faggots like you are so against him taking accountability and trying to undo a mistake

So you're saying that the orange fuckup jumped the shark when he signed the USMCA, Cletus?

Thanks!

 

[toobfreak]

When Trump says a trade deal is at risk, he's violating the terms of the deals he's already signed. If you can't be trusted to honour your commitments and promises, you are dishonest and untrustworthy.

Valid enough point. Without more details, it sounds to me like what Trump is saying is that the trade deal is at risk because of something the other party is doing or has been doing on their end forcing Trump to respond in kind from his end.

All I know is that Trump does not enter into bad trade deals that are not good for the USA, and he wouldn't break a trade deal with the USA if it was good for the USA.

So if Trump is reneging on some deal, then something must be very very wrong with either the deal or the parties that deal was with, both of which nullify the trade deal anyway since it takes two to tango.

 

[Dragonlady]

Rosie O'Donnel is moving to Somalia. Ellen to Haiti. Frauds. And the real empowered that is destroying the west.

What do Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen have to do with world trade and Trump's trade war? Your ESL history is showing again, moron.

Trump's history of failed companies and bankruptcies didn't happen by accident. Chaos, lack of planning, refusal to take good advice, and failure to pay his suppliers are the reasons behind his failures.

I used to wonder how anyone could go bankrupt more than once. Watching Trump behaviour in his first Administration, made it all clear. Chaos, lack of planning and refusal to take advice. Nothing has changed this time, except he got rid of all the people who kept him from breaking the law the first time.

Not that they succeeded in keeping him completely legal the first time. The two impeachments are proof of that, but at least they tried. Nobody's doing anything to stop the insanity this time.

 

[Tyrion234]

Just pointing out Canadian lumber tariffs have caused an increase to material costs for housing. You'd know that if you took the time to understand the context of the post.

And you’d ******* be a man if you quoted my whole post, but alas, you’re a ******* *****

 

[Tyrion234]

So you're saying that the orange fuckup jumped the shark when he signed the USMCA, Cletus?

Thanks!

Sure! So people don’t make mistakes? Even presidents make mistakes you inbred ****. Sorry he’s fixing it,

 

[Clipper]

Sure! So people don’t make mistakes? Even presidents make mistakes you inbred ****. Sorry he’s fixing it,

Well, thanks for admitting that the orange fuckup jumped the shark in signing the USMCA & he isn't a god, Trump humper.

Does that mean you won't get a stiffie at the sight of him?

 

[Nostra]

He is like a child who sees something he wants and keeps going after it. In this case, the toy he wants is on a hot stove and he is getting burned.

The Felon does not understand economics or even what he is doing. Tariffs to him are a shiny object that he keeps reaching for. And now he is screwing the country over like he has failed at every venture he has attempted. The country is getting screwed by a 79 year old toddler.

What economic metric is worse today than when he took office?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Yeah, I hope so too. But between watching overseas commentary and talking with overseas friends and family, I'm not as hopeful as I used to be.

They gave us a pass for electing him once. But he's gone so far over the top in his second season term that they're now looking at us sideways, not just him.

And who can blame them?

 

[Mac1958]

And who can blame them?

Yeah. They've been patient, but they're done now.

This could have been handled entirely differently. Behind closed doors. By intelligent adults. But no. Trump is a child.

 

[22lcidw]

What do Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen have to do with world trade and Trump's trade war? Your ESL history is showing again, moron.

Trump's history of failed companies and bankruptcies didn't happen by accident. Chaos, lack of planning, refusal to take good advice, and failure to pay his suppliers are the reasons behind his failures.

I used to wonder how anyone could go bankrupt more than once. Watching Trump behaviour in his first Administration, made it all clear. Chaos, lack of planning and refusal to take advice. Nothing has changed this time, except he got rid of all the people who kept him from breaking the law the first time.

Not that they succeeded in keeping him completely legal the first time. The two impeachments are proof of that, but at least they tried. Nobody's doing anything to stop the insanity this time.

You spout Trump's private side. True or not. Yet you give the professional politician a free pass. Progressive politicians during Covid ran their areas into the ground. Not a word. When Joe was installed the EO's s crippled the fragile economic improvement from Covid and legislation cost at least nine trillion dollars and we got almost nothing for it. All these years with deficits and more of them ad nothing really done and somehow Trump's private side is the reason for your despair. Most of Trump's dealings were with Progressive Socialists to get things done. Making it mighty more expensive. You make accusations and not understand the rules of the playground he was in. Atlantic City was a progressive Socialist invention. And one of the most corrupted endeavors in human history. Many people were in on it. The costs of building a casino were at least twice of what the norm is and even more. Loans for them were expensive and the bonds not of high quality at a percentage. Residents who did nothing their whole lives held the city up for ransom to move. Corrupted unions, mobsters, low life's of all kinds were there. That city should have been completely rebuilt. That is what a Progressive is. Free money. And it did not trickle down as it should have. Trump had to deal with that. Just like New York City is hamstrung by the same elements and he still had success working them for improvement in the city.

 

[yernikola]

I think many who talk about "Trump's chaos" aren't just referring to a specific case—it's the feeling when decisions and actions seem chaotic, unpredictable, and inconsistent. For example, changes in tariff policy, trade actions, statements on social media—all of this creates a situation where neither international partners, nor businesses, nor ordinary people can understand what to expect tomorrow. This isn't just a "mistake" or an accident—it's a constant state in which every new decision seems to contradict the previous one. Many economists even measure the uncertainty index, and it's currently at levels close to those seen during the most turbulent periods (like pandemic shocks), because markets don't know what to predict. And that's the whole point of wager fans: for some, such unpredictability may seem like a strategy to "keep everyone on their toes," but for most, it simply interferes with business planning, international cooperation, or internal processes. When people say "chaos," they mean precisely this kind of everyday instability—not at the level of a single mistake, but as a norm of behavior. This greatly affects trust in state institutions and in politics itself.

 

[Dragonlady]

What economic metric is worse today than when he took office?

All of them.

Job creation is WAY down. GDP is underperforming. The trade deficit is nearly double what it was before Trump was elected in 2016. It was $735 billion under Obama. It’s now over $1.2 trillion

The trade wars are destroying your country, while the rest of the world is leaving you behind.

 

[berg80]

U.S.-Israel launch massive attack on Iran; 4 U.S. military bases hit in retaliation​

Need I say more?

 

[dblack]

U.S.-Israel launch massive attack on Iran; 4 U.S. military bases hit in retaliation​

Need I say more?

"We've always been at war with Eurasia!"

 

[Mac1958]

Need I say more?

"We've always been at war with Eurasia!"

Of the many interesting elements of this mania is that you can bring up "chaos", but the flock doesn't appear to have any idea what you're talking about. The rest of the country, across the political spectrum, sees it. The world is stunned by it. But the flock doesn't see it. They think it's just stuff that's happening that they like, and they don't see any context.

How does that work?

 

[dblack]

Of the many interesting elements of this mania is that you can bring up "chaos", but the flock doesn't appear to have any idea what you're talking about. The rest of the country, across the political spectrum, sees it. The world is stunned by it. But the flock doesn't see it. They think it's just stuff that's happening that they like, and they don't see any context.

How does that work?

Unchecked resentment. I think a large chunk of MAGA has gone full nihilist. They know that, ultimately, they won't get their way - so they're ready to burn it all down.

 

[Mac1958]

Unchecked resentment. I think a large chunk of MAGA has gone full nihilist. They know that, ultimately, they won't get their way so they support burning it all down.

Yeah, I think you're right.

And they've got the voices they trust pounding it into their heads 24/7/365.

They have no concept of what it would look like if everything were burned down. Their minds don't work that way.

 

[Clipper]

Yeah, I think you're right.

And they've got the voices they trust pounding it into their heads 24/7/365.

They have no concept of what it would look like if everything were burned down. Their minds don't work that way.

This Country was never that great to begin with. It was all bullshit. All of it. History proves it.The wealthy buying off politicians to increase their wealth at the expense of the rest of us. And they succeeded. Look around. All it took for the greed mongers to seal the deal for them was to finance an election for a Queens N.Y. two-bit hustler & conman willing to do their dirty work & look the other way as he grifts & wrecks the Country for all it's worth. So, how great were we & are now? It was all bullshit from the get-go.

This started during the Reagen days when right wing talk radio big mouths like Limbaugh being paid millions to spew hate to the "ditto heads" who took it all in & ran with it. Trump? He just closed the deal for people like Musk, Ellison & the rest of the greed merchants.

There ain't no turning back from this. Game, set, match.