Trump is CREATING a deep state.

[AntonToo]

Why did that Garland-Biden guided prosecutor try that sweethearts deal that the judge did not accept?

Can you show any evidence that this Trump appointed, Republican prosecutor was in any way directed by Garland?

And again, lets note you are avoiding adressing the fact that Biden could have done what Trump is doing now - squash all investigations, fire anyone who dared to investigate anything he didn't happen to like.

You are avoiding the stark contrast between what Trump is doing now and what Biden did. Why do you think that is?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Can you show any evidence that this Trump appointed, Republican prosecutor was in any way directed by Garland?

You mean, besides the fact that Merrick Garland was the head of the agency that that prosecutor work for? That seems like enough. Why isn’t it?

And again you are avoiding adressing the fact that Biden could have done what Trump is doing now - squash all investigations, fire anyone who dared to investigate anything he didn't happen to like.

Biden did not need to do all that. The DOJ was firmly entrenched as part of the deep state. You seriously do not remember the FISA scandal, the Strzok-Page scandal, The altered email scandal, the steel DC scandal, the swat raid on Melania Trump‘s underwear scandal?

You are avoiding the stark contrast between what Trump is doing now and what Biden was doing. Why do you think that is?

I am very happy for that contrast. The last thing we need is a DOJ full of deep stators who spend their time undermining the duly elected president of the United States.

Just as a general principal, I want as much contrast between the trump administration and the Biden administration as possible. So does every American who voted for Trump. I’m sure even you could understand why.

 

[AntonToo]

You mean, besides the fact that Merrick Garland was the head of the agency that that prosecutor work for? That seems like enough. Why isn’t it?

Merrick Garland emphatically promissed prosecuratorial independance to the Congress during his confirmation.

There has never been any evidence that he has not done exactly that.

Your based on nothing half-baked fantasies are not an actual argument.


What is Trump apointeee promissing? He is promissing only to carry out Trump agenda, refuses any sort of assurance of independence.

 

[Lastamender]

Trump has long complained about what he called the deep state. He thinks the deep state is a wide bureaucracy within the federal government who, on the orders of some anonymous person, are working to prevent him from succeeding because they just don't like trump. He claims any pushback he receives is purely personal and has nothing to do with their job requirements or what is good for the country. If social media is an accurate indicator, rump's offer to buy out current employees with the stated purpose of replacing them with trump loyalists is backfiring on him. Large numbers of government employees are posting that they are refusing to take the buyout and are staying for the specific purpose of interfering with trump's policies as much as possible. What trump has long feared is becoming real, and it's all because of his overreach.

Kassam noted this in only “the first step” for the second Trump administration, as “if you go in this hard, what you’re showing is that you’re going to clean house entirely, because these were some of the most senior people… some of the people who were in charge of the persecution against President Trump over the last four years.”









The National Pulse chief said the people who have been removed had believed “that they would be shielded” and even kept anonymous, without any consequences or scrutiny—in large part “because they really didn’t think that President Trump would win a second term”—but now “the chickens are coming home to roost.”

KASSAM: Trump's Purge of Deep State 'Made Men' at the FBI Heralds Epic Meltdowns.

Raheem Kassam, Editor-in-Chief of The National Pulse, is predicting meltdowns on a grand scale now that President Donald J. Trump has moved to purge the

thenationalpulse.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

Merrick Garland emphatically promissed prosecuratorial independance to the Congress during his confirmation.

He lied.

There has never been any evidence that he has not done exactly that.

The sweetheart deal, so inappropriate that the judge rejected it, that was offered to President Biden‘s son is plenty of evidence that he did not do that.

He was not independent. With Joe Biden senility, it is unlikely he followed orders directly from him. But someone at the White House was handling Merrick Garland.

No prosecutor even want to appear independent would’ve presented such a deal to a judge.

You half-baked fantasies are not an actual argument.


What is Trump apointeee promissing? He is promissing only to carry out Trump agenda.

Another words, exactly what Trump was elected to do.

Do you expect his appointees to promise another law fair insurrection against him? You remember how badly it worked the first time, don’t you?

 

[AntonToo]

I am very happy for that contrast. The last thing we need is a DOJ full of deep stators who spend their time undermining the duly elected president of the United States.

Do you seriously not understand that a Democrat will be in office one day and you will eat your shortsighted, unprincipled words?

When are you fools going to wise up and understand that it's not only about here and now Trump, but also about the very nature of our governing?

You seriously like the idea that from now every administration comes in and wholesale fires everyone and anyone in our gov who it feels are not their faithful loyalists?

 

[Lastamender]

Do you seriously not understand that a Democrat will be in office one day and you will eat your shortsighted, unprincipled words?

When are you fools going to wise up and understand that it's not only about here and now Trump, but also about the very nature of our governing?

You are seriously going to think it's fine that from now every administration comes in and fires every who it feels has politically slighted them by doing their damn jobs?

Do you understand the chances of a Democrat in office depend on how many votes they can steal? The party has disgraced itself and now is connected to every un-American policy we the people have suffered through. The party of hate will never recover.

Now their leader in Congress wants them to "fight" in the streets. Didn't Trump use the word fight? Why isn't the reaction the same when an insurrection is being called for.

Democrat Leader Hakeem Jeffries Calls to Fight Trump's Agenda 'In the Streets'

Jeffries is facing blowback after calling for supporters to fight Trump's agenda not only legislatively but "in the streets."

www.breitbart.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do you seriously not understand that a Democrat will be in office one day and you will eat your dumb, shortsighted, unprincipled words?

How would that be worse than what went on during the Biden administration, and even the first Trump administration? The DOJ has never been independent. That is a myth. They have their own agendas and Republicans and Democrats in the past have allowed them free to carry it out.

That era ends, the people have chosen a present who specifically promised to end it at he will.

Yes I am very concerned about the next Democrat president. Fortunately, I don’t believe that would be for a long time.

Nor will a RINO Republican be elected for a long time. That particular breed may actually die off given how old most of them are now.

DONALD TRUMP WILL NOT HAVE TIME TO FULFILL ALL OF HIS AGENDA THAT THE VOTERS DEMANDED. THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL BE CHOSEN PRIMARILY ON THE BASIS OF HOW THE VOTERS PREDICT HE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE IT.

Apologize for the above all caps. It was not intentional.

When are you fools going to wise up and understand that it's not only about here and now Trump, but also about the very nature of our governing?

Exactly! The era of being governed by a secretive anonymous group of mid and upper level executives in the various agencies is over. Agency heads Will be chosen to carry out the wishes of the voters expressed through the selection of their president.

That is bad news for those who hate when democracy interferes with their political goals.

Have you considered trying it this way: stop trying to interfere with the results of democracy and get out and sell your ideas to the voters.

I know some of it is kind of tough to sell like transing kids and picking pilots based on skin color, but God knows you guys have plenty of energy for that kind of thing.

In the words of Mortimor Duke: get out there and sell!

 

[AntonToo]

How would that be worse than what went on during the Biden administration

You mean the baseless fantasies in your head about the Biden administration?

I'll explain to you - BIDEN WAS INVESTIGATED. BIDEN'S SON WAS PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED. These are blatant facts not a single fantasy in your head could ever refute.

You know what happens under this new Trump precedent? President squashes or initiates ANY PROSECUTION by DOJ. If Biden acted like Trump there would never be any investigation or conviction of anyone named Biden or anyone of their allies.


THATS THE SIMPLE DIFFERENCE.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You mean the baseless fantasies in your head during the Biden administration?

I'll explain to you - BIDEN WAS INVESTIGATED. BIDEN'S SON WAS PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED. These are blatant facts not a single fantasy in your head could ever refute.

You know what happens under this new Trump precedent? President squashes or initiates ANY PROSECUTION by DOJ. If Biden acted like Trump there would never be any investigation or conviction of anyone named Biden or anyone of their allies.


THATS THE SIMPLE DIFFERENCE.

You didn’t even read my last post so I doubt you read much of any of them. Sorry, I’m not reading your venting and ranting. This is a forum for grown-ups to discuss issues not for childish tantrum.

You lost an election fair and Square. The world did not end. Those are two different things.

 

[AntonToo]

Exactly! The era of being governed by a secretive anonymous group of mid and upper level executives in the various agencies is over. Agency heads Will be chosen to carry out the wishes of the voters expressed through the selection of their president.

That is bad news for those who hate when democracy interferes with their political goals.

Have you considered trying it this way: stop trying to interfere with the results of democracy and get out and sell your ideas to the voters.

I know some of it is kind of tough to sell like transing kids and picking pilots based on skin color, but God knows you guys have plenty of energy for that kind of thing.

In the words of Mortimor Duke: get out there and sell!

....I'm just trying to understand your theory of a proper justice system:

When we have Democrats in power, everyone who dared to prosecute Democrats, or show any sort of disloyalty to Democrats gets removed and justice department then works to go after Republicans while squashing any investigation against Democrats, especially those that are President's friends and family.

Then 4 years later, we do it all over once a Republican gets into office.


Yea? That sounds like a sane, healthy, proper justice system to you?

 

[Modern Messiah]

You keep repeating that without taking into account what you are quoting. Not smart.


Again, lets just do part one, setting aside the question of CAN Trump a POTUS do it and instead answer the question SHOULD POTUS do it?

Should the president install loyalists over well qualified career professionals in Federal departments?

Specifically on justice - should there be a professional independence in our DOJ/FBI? Or should their investigations be directed and manged by POTUS?


The bi-partisan answer since Nixon's Watergate misadventures was that we need to maintain a good dose of separation between the White House and justice department. Our DOJ and FBI should be credible and not become political tools.

Take Biden and DOJ's investigating him and prosecuting his son. You really think it would you be ok for Biden to simply remove anyone in the department who dares to investigate his family? Fire anyone who dared to investigate other Democrats or some lefty protestors he happens to like?

No? Then think twice about what you are now supporting Trump doing, because this is where all of this is headed and there is no undoing the precedent once it's accepted.

That is a lot of over emotional ranting in your post.
I am not quoting anything, I'm just being factual with you.
Your would of, should of approach is meaningless and baseless.
President Trump was very upfront and clear about his policies during his campaign and The American People voted for him and his policies.
That's what it is.
The American People didn't see well qualified career professionals in federal departments. They along with myself saw self serving bureaucrats that were corrupt ( censorship, lawfare, and hoaxes). The American People wanted rid of these "qualified career professionals" if you want to call them that.
People were disgusted with these corrupt career politicians and voted them out by voting in President Trump. He vowed to get rid of them and The American People resoundingly voted for that. FACT!
Every President installs loyalists. I'm not sure where you're going with that whopper.
Your cornpop analogies are just stupid.
bite me literally instructed the doj to go after President Trump. And after it didn't work he gave all the corrupt "qualified career politicians " pre-emptive pardons. And he did it the day of President Trump's inauguration, which was really sickening.
You should have thought twice about the bite me/cackles administration because all the things you are warning people about, tater and cackles already did. Tater and cackles set every bad precedent that you could think of.
Again, The American People saw this and voted accordingly.
Every bad thing you are accusing President Trump of doing, tater and cackles actually did it.
Try to wake up.
PLEASE!!!

 

[AntonToo]

The American People didn't see well qualified career professionals in federal departments. They along with myself saw self serving bureaucrats that were corrupt ( censorship, lawfare, and hoaxes). The American People wanted rid of these "qualified career professionals" if you want to call them that.
People were disgusted with these corrupt career politicians and voted them out by voting in President Trump. He vowed to get rid of them and The American People resoundingly voted for that. FACT!

Just because Trump shits some bullshit in your head doesn't make it fact.

If there is specific evidence of corruption by ANY DOJ employees then they should be fired ON THOSE GROUNDS and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

You know how many charges of corruption were cited in the mass firings Trump is conducting now? ZERO

They are not firing people for any corruption - they are firing people for doing their jobs - investigating and prosecuting violations of the law. Violations that happened to be commited by people Trump likes.

Many J6ers broke the law. Do you agree? Or are you suggesting that violent break into Congress and beating up cops was somehow legal?

Trump admin is saying if you had anything to do with this work or god forbid reasonably investigating Dear Leader Trump, then you are fired because supposedly you can't be trusted to do your job.

Are you saying the same silly thing or do you have a brain of your own?

 

[AntonToo]

[Biden] literally instructed the doj to go after President Trump.

What made you think that? Maybe I can look at that source and also come to think Biden ordered anything like that?

I keep asking for ANY evidence of Biden doing this and not one person has ever been able to reasonably explain why they belive this baseless claim.

It seems you being able to imagine that happening is good enough evidence for you to belive it to be fact.


For example in documents case - Trump refused to return highly classified documents, his lawyer sent notorized letter that he returned everything and then FBI raid found them at his residence. Did Biden somehow order Trump to break the law? Did Biden make Trump try to obstruct investigators by moving documents around and trying to erase security tapes?

What you are saying is nonsense - Trump decided to keep highly classified materials, which against the law and was apropriately investigated and indicted for it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

....I'm just trying to understand your theory of a proper justice system:

When we have Democrats in power, everyone who dared to prosecute Democrats, or show any sort of disloyalty to Democrats gets removed and justice department then works to go after Republicans while squashing any investigation against Democrats, especially those that are President's friends and family.

Then 4 years later, we do it all over once a Republican gets into office.

Yea? That sounds like a sane, healthy, proper justice system to you?

No. The sane, healthy proper solution is to stop all the lawfare.

But you cannot expect the Republicans, having put up with eight years of lawfare, even against the sitting president by the entrenched bureaucracy, to simply hope it will stop, now that they've elected the same president.

Why would it, if they left the same bad actors in place?

I can tell you the solution, which seems very obvious to me, but I'd like you to try to work it out first. If you cannot, I will tell you.

 

[AntonToo]

Another words, exactly what Trump was elected to do.

Thats another fantasy of yours.

Trump got half the votes and they were for many reasons, not anything specific about how justice should fuction in this country.

Nothing in Trump wining gave him a mandate to deeply politicize DOJ and to fire carreer FBI agents who were just doing their jobs.

 

[Lastamender]

Thats another fantasy of yours.

Trump got half the votes and they were for many reasons, not anything specific about how justice should fuction in this country.

Nothing in Trump wining gave him a mandate to deeply politicize DOJ and to fire carreer FBI agents who were just doing their jobs.

The politicizing was done before Trump got there. The FBI's job is not going after political opponents. It never was. Trump will stop that by punishing the people who did it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Congratulations, you've just defined the deep state (without realizing it) A group of leftists hell bent on holding onto their jobs and pushing Marxism. Trump's appointees, being conservatives, would obviously not be deep staters by this definition.

Opposing Trump’s fascist state isn’t ‘Marxism.’

 

[Seymour Flops]

Thats another fantasy of yours.

Trump got half the votes and they were for many reasons, not anything specific about how justice should fuction in this country.

Nothing in Trump wining gave him a mandate to deeply politicize DOJ and to fire carreer FBI agents who were just doing their jobs.

It was implied, unless you think the voters intended for Trump to be in the White House and to again be subjected to the same lawfare he was during his first term?

Wouldn't people who did NOT want Trump to be president be the ones who want the lawfare to restart? They were in the minority.

So you lost. It happens, my guy.

 

[whitehall]

The "Deep State" relies on secrecy and disinformation propaganda as well as media support. The Trump administration is the most open in modern history. Biden kept the drone situation secret just because he could. Trump had it solved in ten minutes

























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