Trump is better for the Economy than Biden

[AzogtheDefiler]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

I'm a 10%er so not really middle class. Even so my tax cut was pretty minimal. The biggest cut, even according to your own chart, was for the highest income level.

You can take the blame you're trying to assign to Pelosi and stick it where the sun don't shine. This is tRump's crappy piece of legislation. It's not her job to fix his fuck-ups.

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional.

I agree, we need to keep families together as we quickly deport them.

Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship.

I agree. We should examine the dreamers, look at what they've done since they arrived.
Good kids, good grades, let's give some of them a chance to stay.

Bad kids, bad grades, criminal activity.....send them back with their parents.

We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

So, mine fields and machine guns?

The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed.

You're right, end all welfare payments......to stop subsidizing big business.

Wow, that's amazing!

That's almost exactly what I didn't have in mind!

 

[Crepitus]

Not

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

Not until you find a buyer for it at that price.

 

[DrLove]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

Of course you still have $100. However, $100 was worth more in 2018 than it is today.

Remember this is two years. In 3.5 years, that $100 would be worth around $3.50 less.

In other words, $100 in 2018 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $102.05 in 2020, a difference of $2.05 over 2 years.

Remember also, that we just added about 3 trillion to the national debt. The ONLY way DJIA hasn't tanked entirely is by printing money.

4 coronavirus stimulus packages. $2.4 trillion in funding. See what that means to the national debt.

The federal government plans to spend historic sums of money to battle the economic fallout from COVID-19.

www.usatoday.com

 

[rightwinger]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

 

[rightwinger]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Yet most people disagree with you. Good luck in November, troll.

Ehh NO, they don't

Advantage Biden, with risks; Trump disapproval grows: POLL

Biden holds a lead over Trump among registered voters, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

America in a crisis was a chance for Trump to demonstrate his leadership.

Instead, he showed he was poorly suited for the responsibility he has been given. Voters are noticing

Link...voters are noticing. Also state, what he should have done in your view to demonstrate strong leadership.

57 percent say they think Trump is doing a bad job handling the virus.

More Americans give Trump poor marks on handling coronavirus: poll

More Americans in a poll released early Thursday said they think President Trump is doing a bad job handling the coronavirus pandemic. The CBS News poll found that 57 perce…

thehill.com

Had enough or are you ready for more?

this is about the economy not the virus. Don't move the goal posts.

In case you haven’t noticed, the two are linked

I was talking about the crisis which is both fighting the virus and the economic downturn.

Trumps leadership is failing bigly

 

[Crepitus]

OBiden will destroy the economy....and get us into a never ending war and recession....

Recession might actually be better than the current situation.

 

[Crepitus]

Democrats assessed the situation, saw that Biden couldn't win and started a race war. Then blamed Trump for a civil war organized in democrat controlled cities.

Well that's a lie.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats assessed the situation, saw that Biden couldn't win and started a race war. Then blamed Trump for a civil war organized in democrat controlled cities.

Well that's a lie.

You are an enemy. I don't expect truth from you.

 

[rightwinger]

OBiden will destroy the economy....and get us into a never ending war and recession....

Recession might actually be better than the current situation.

Trump has brought us into a Depression.
20 percent unemployment and negative 30 GDP

It will be up to Biden to get us out as Republicans fight to make him fail

 

[Crepitus]

Democrats assessed the situation, saw that Biden couldn't win and started a race war. Then blamed Trump for a civil war organized in democrat controlled cities.

Well that's a lie.

You are an enemy. I don't expect truth from you.

I'm a Democrat, and thus much more likely to tell you the truth than any tRumpling you've ever even heard of, much less met.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

Not until you find a buyer for it at that price.

You do realize that is easy? Bots buy stock if people won't. Equities are liquid.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

Of course you still have $100. However, $100 was worth more in 2018 than it is today.

Remember this is two years. In 3.5 years, that $100 would be worth around $3.50 less.

In other words, $100 in 2018 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $102.05 in 2020, a difference of $2.05 over 2 years.

Remember also, that we just added about 3 trillion to the national debt. The ONLY way DJIA hasn't tanked entirely is by printing money.

4 coronavirus stimulus packages. $2.4 trillion in funding. See what that means to the national debt.

The federal government plans to spend historic sums of money to battle the economic fallout from COVID-19.

www.usatoday.com

And it could be $105 in 10 months?

 

[rightwinger]

Trump has taken the perfect economy Obama gave us and led us into a Depression

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Yet most people disagree with you. Good luck in November, troll.

Ehh NO, they don't

Advantage Biden, with risks; Trump disapproval grows: POLL

Biden holds a lead over Trump among registered voters, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

America in a crisis was a chance for Trump to demonstrate his leadership.

Instead, he showed he was poorly suited for the responsibility he has been given. Voters are noticing

Link...voters are noticing. Also state, what he should have done in your view to demonstrate strong leadership.

57 percent say they think Trump is doing a bad job handling the virus.

More Americans give Trump poor marks on handling coronavirus: poll

More Americans in a poll released early Thursday said they think President Trump is doing a bad job handling the coronavirus pandemic. The CBS News poll found that 57 perce…

thehill.com

Had enough or are you ready for more?

this is about the economy not the virus. Don't move the goal posts.

In case you haven’t noticed, the two are linked

I was talking about the crisis which is both fighting the virus and the economic downturn.

Trumps leadership is failing bigly

Stick to the OP or create your own thread. They are not intertwined because the virus is an extraordinary event.

 

[Crepitus]

Not

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

Not until you find a buyer for it at that price.

You do realize that is easy? Bots buy stock if people won't. Equities are liquid.

Not always. Falling stocks can be hard to unload.

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

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How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

But they did stock buybacks and lined their pockets instead.

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money