Trump is better for the Economy than Biden

[rightwinger]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Yet most people disagree with you. Good luck in November, troll.

Ehh NO, they don't

Advantage Biden, with risks; Trump disapproval grows: POLL

Biden holds a lead over Trump among registered voters, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

America in a crisis was a chance for Trump to demonstrate his leadership.

Instead, he showed he was poorly suited for the responsibility he has been given. Voters are noticing

Link...voters are noticing. Also state, what he should have done in your view to demonstrate strong leadership.

57 percent say they think Trump is doing a bad job handling the virus.

More Americans give Trump poor marks on handling coronavirus: poll

More Americans in a poll released early Thursday said they think President Trump is doing a bad job handling the coronavirus pandemic. The CBS News poll found that 57 perce…

thehill.com

Had enough or are you ready for more?

this is about the economy not the virus. Don't move the goal posts.

In case you haven’t noticed, the two are linked

I was talking about the crisis which is both fighting the virus and the economic downturn.

Trumps leadership is failing bigly

Stick to the OP or create your own thread. They are not intertwined because the virus is an extraordinary event.

You can’t discuss one without the other

Trump is failing in leadership in fighting the virus and saving the economy.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

You might want to translate the actual gain in honest to God REAL dollars.

You don't think equities = dollars? Explain. If I have 100 shares of ABC company and the stock price is $1 per share, I don't have $100?

Not until you find a buyer for it at that price.

You do realize that is easy? Bots buy stock if people won't. Equities are liquid.

Not always. Falling stocks can be hard to unload.

100 shares? Stop it. And no they are not. Unless you're selling a ton of shares.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

But they did stock buybacks and lined their pockets instead.

Then how do you explain the record low unemployment and most companies are not public. Mid Market companies certainly benefited, hired and expanded.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Yet most people disagree with you. Good luck in November, troll.

Ehh NO, they don't

Advantage Biden, with risks; Trump disapproval grows: POLL

Biden holds a lead over Trump among registered voters, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

America in a crisis was a chance for Trump to demonstrate his leadership.

Instead, he showed he was poorly suited for the responsibility he has been given. Voters are noticing

Link...voters are noticing. Also state, what he should have done in your view to demonstrate strong leadership.

57 percent say they think Trump is doing a bad job handling the virus.

More Americans give Trump poor marks on handling coronavirus: poll

More Americans in a poll released early Thursday said they think President Trump is doing a bad job handling the coronavirus pandemic. The CBS News poll found that 57 perce…

thehill.com

Had enough or are you ready for more?

this is about the economy not the virus. Don't move the goal posts.

In case you haven’t noticed, the two are linked

I was talking about the crisis which is both fighting the virus and the economic downturn.

Trumps leadership is failing bigly

Stick to the OP or create your own thread. They are not intertwined because the virus is an extraordinary event.

You can’t discuss one without the other

Trump is failing in leadership in fighting the virus and saving the economy.

Sure you can. One can be confident in how a president handles an economy overall vs a crisis (once in a lifetime).

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

But they did stock buybacks and lined their pockets instead.

Then how do you explain the record low unemployment and most companies are not public. Mid Market companies certainly benefited, hired and expanded.

Unemployment was already at historic lows. It didn't improve much at all.

 

[22lcidw]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Yet most people disagree with you. Good luck in November, troll.

Ehh NO, they don't

Advantage Biden, with risks; Trump disapproval grows: POLL

Biden holds a lead over Trump among registered voters, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

America in a crisis was a chance for Trump to demonstrate his leadership.

Instead, he showed he was poorly suited for the responsibility he has been given. Voters are noticing

Link...voters are noticing. Also state, what he should have done in your view to demonstrate strong leadership.

57 percent say they think Trump is doing a bad job handling the virus.

More Americans give Trump poor marks on handling coronavirus: poll

More Americans in a poll released early Thursday said they think President Trump is doing a bad job handling the coronavirus pandemic. The CBS News poll found that 57 perce…

thehill.com

Had enough or are you ready for more?

this is about the economy not the virus. Don't move the goal posts.

In case you haven’t noticed, the two are linked

I was talking about the crisis which is both fighting the virus and the economic downturn.

Trumps leadership is failing bigly

Stick to the OP or create your own thread. They are not intertwined because the virus is an extraordinary event.

You can’t discuss one without the other

Trump is failing in leadership in fighting the virus and saving the economy.

Its time for the corporations to start leaving the big blue cities. To all corporate bosses, build in areas where you are wanted. You have a growing semi rural and rural population with resources out the wazoo. Let the cities choke on their hate. Its time for the next migration. You can see the handwriting on the wall. And it has been that way for many years. How much taxes are you going to pay and force residents to pay with a growing uncivil local population. Spring is in those newer areas. Winter is in the cities.

 

[anynameyouwish]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

if the economy is more important to you than ethics, morals, rights, freedom, decency and honor then you are probably a conservative christian republican.

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

 

[rightwinger]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

Who ever ran trillion dollar deficits in a booming economy?

That would be Trump

 

[DrLove]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Yet most people disagree with you. Good luck in November, troll.

Ehh NO, they don't

Advantage Biden, with risks; Trump disapproval grows: POLL

Biden holds a lead over Trump among registered voters, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

America in a crisis was a chance for Trump to demonstrate his leadership.

Instead, he showed he was poorly suited for the responsibility he has been given. Voters are noticing

Link...voters are noticing. Also state, what he should have done in your view to demonstrate strong leadership.

57 percent say they think Trump is doing a bad job handling the virus.

More Americans give Trump poor marks on handling coronavirus: poll

More Americans in a poll released early Thursday said they think President Trump is doing a bad job handling the coronavirus pandemic. The CBS News poll found that 57 perce…

thehill.com

Had enough or are you ready for more?

this is about the economy not the virus. Don't move the goal posts.

In case you haven’t noticed, the two are linked

I was talking about the crisis which is both fighting the virus and the economic downturn.

Trumps leadership is failing bigly

Stick to the OP or create your own thread. They are not intertwined because the virus is an extraordinary event.

You can’t discuss one without the other

Trump is failing in leadership in fighting the virus and saving the economy.

Sure you can. One can be confident in how a president handles an economy overall vs a crisis (once in a lifetime).

America LOVES your Donnie for his non-response - BELIEVE me!!

62% Disapprove of Trump’s Coronavirus Response, Reader Survey Finds

Most respondents feel “less safe” because of the president’s actions. Esper gets higher marks, but many fear premature reopening.

www.defenseone.com

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

But they did stock buybacks and lined their pockets instead.

Then how do you explain the record low unemployment and most companies are not public. Mid Market companies certainly benefited, hired and expanded.

Unemployment was already at historic lows. It didn't improve much at all.

Except it did and wages grew.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You can take the blame you're trying to assign to Pelosi and stick it where the sun don't shine.

If Dems wanted to "fix" the middle class tax cut, they could write the legislation in 5 minutes.
You think McConnell and Trump wouldn't sign it in a minute?
You're dumber than I thought possible.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

Who ever ran trillion dollar deficits in a booming economy?

That would be Trump

Military expenditures.

What would you do to balance the budget and help the middle class?

I welcome your ideas. So far all I've seen you do is criticize.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wow, that's amazing!

That's almost exactly what I didn't have in mind!

I guess you really support the subsidy.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

if the economy is more important to you than ethics, morals, rights, freedom, decency and honor then you are probably a conservative christian republican.

Economy = livelihood. Pays for food, medicine, luxuries, necessities.

I am an Independent Jew from Boston.

If you think your opinion is fact then you must be a Leftist. Are you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Yeah, those excessive state and local taxes can be a bitch.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

Keeping your own money......what could be worse?

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

But they did stock buybacks and lined their pockets instead.

Then how do you explain the record low unemployment and most companies are not public. Mid Market companies certainly benefited, hired and expanded.

Unemployment was already at historic lows. It didn't improve much at all.

Except it did and wages grew.

No, it didn't. And wages grew slower than inflation.