Trump: “For those people who say they want peace, you can’t have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon."

[TimFitz]

And your denial that Obama rammed this awful “deal” through the U.N. because he knew Congress would vote it down doesn’t make it false,

More made up BS.

The UN Security Council was involved and supportive.

It took twenty months to conclude the deal after the initial agreement was signed.

No on “rammed anything through”

The JCPOA had broad international support and was hailed worldwide

Trump was condemned for tearing it up.

he was warned that his stupidity would set the stage for something like what is happening now.

And now, that there is even a hint of negotiations, Netanyahu took the whip right out of Trump’s hands.

Trump is now following Tel Aviv’s lead, and indulging in his typical jingoistic threats.

He all but promised that the US would be involved in the war Isreal wants.

 

[Lisa558]

More made up BS.

The UN Security Council was involved and supportive.

It took twenty months to conclude the deal after the initial agreement was signed.

No on “rammed anything through”

The JCPOA had broad international support and was hailed worldwide

But it did not have the 2/3rds approval of Congress that would have been required if Obama took it to them. It was just another example of arrogant Democrats ignoring what Americans voted for - and bypassing their elected representatives.

And the UN Security Council?! Are you kidding me? The UN is pro-Arab and anti-Israel.

 

[TimFitz]

the CIA effort did not CREATE THE SITUATION AND FACT----Iranian royalists did it----in fact
just about the only role that the CIA had was to LIKE THE IDEA and KERMIT agreed---openly

Total and complete BS.

The Iranian government was overthrown because the British and American oil companies didn’t want Tehran to control its own oil resources.

 

[TimFitz]

But it did not have the 2/3rds approval of Congress that would have been required if Obama took it to them. It was just another example of arrogant Democrats ignoring what Americans voted for - and bypassing their elected representatives.

And the UN Security Council?! Are you kidding me? The UN is pro-Arab and anti-Israel.

A treaty was never required.

And your remark about the Security Council just displays your own parochial ignorance.

Of course, if you had the slightest idea what you are talking about, you’d know that your imaginary “pro Arab” Security Council would never have supported any deal with Iran.

 

[Lisa558]

A treaty was never required.

And your remark about the Security Council just displays your own parochial ignorance.

Of course, if you had the slightest idea what you are talking about, you’d know that your imaginary “pro Arab” Security Council would never have supported any deal with Iran.

A treaty was decided against because Congress would have voted it down. So Obama pulled a fast one, called it a “deal,” and raced it up to the anti-Israel, pro-Arab U.N.

 

[sealybobo]

the laudable

"bullshit" is a generic term appropriate to all political "promises"

I see very clearly how and why the middle class stopped doing well starting in the late 70's. Do you need an education?

a. It started with Jack Welch of GE. He broke the social contract corporations had with workers.
b. Reagan was anti labor.
c. Reagan stopped raiding illegal employers
d. Reagan and Bush invented NAFTA. Clinton just signed it. And if you want to fault Clinton for doing it, Trump 2016 renegotiated NAFTA so the NAFTA today that you hate so much, is Trump's NAFTA
e. Bush and YOU REPUBLICANS really attacked union jobs as you were sending all those high paying blue collar jobs overseas. The GOP got you to attack those workers. Today Trump says he wants to bring their jobs back home. I laugh.

From 1978 to now union membership declined from around 35% of our work force to around 5%? In that time, CEO's pay went up 1322% and workers pay only went up 18%.

And since Reagan, corporations and rich people have been getting tax breaks. No shit the gap between the rich and rest of us is widening.

And the last 4 years, the only uneducated blue collar workers who got good raises were union workers. WITH Biden's support.

 

[irosie91]

Total and complete BS.

The Iranian government was overthrown because the British and American oil companies didn’t want Tehran to control its own oil resources.

NOPE_----the British and American oil companies LIKED the idea of the SHAH COUP----because they
did not like the NATIONAL SOCIALIST (read that nazi-baathist style) ideation of MOSSADEGH.
In fact the Russians ALSO mistrusted Mossadegh. There is no question that the "superpowers"
of the time---wanted the communist TUDEH party ----OUT ----but it was the Iranian Military that did
the coup----not the US NAVY SEALS----blame it on oil

 

[22lcidw]

I see very clearly how and why the middle class stopped doing well starting in the late 70's. Do you need an education?

a. It started with Jack Welch of GE. He broke the social contract corporations had with workers.
b. Reagan was anti labor.
c. Reagan stopped raiding illegal employers
d. Reagan and Bush invented NAFTA. Clinton just signed it. And if you want to fault Clinton for doing it, Trump 2016 renegotiated NAFTA so the NAFTA today that you hate so much, is Trump's NAFTA
e. Bush and YOU REPUBLICANS really attacked union jobs as you were sending all those high paying blue collar jobs overseas. The GOP got you to attack those workers. Today Trump says he wants to bring their jobs back home. I laugh.

From 1978 to now union membership declined from around 35% of our work force to around 5%? In that time, CEO's pay went up 1322% and workers pay only went up 18%.

And since Reagan, corporations and rich people have been getting tax breaks. No shit the gap between the rich and rest of us is widening.

And the last 4 years, the only uneducated blue collar workers who got good raises were union workers. WITH Biden's support.

All of this that you typed if there is any truth and there are doubts, Progressive Socialists could have changed when in power. They did not. Just like Homeland Security, the Patriot Act and the TSA. They actually strengthened the Patriot Act.

 

[sealybobo]

All of this that you typed if there is any truth and there are doubts, Progressive Socialists could have changed when in power. They did not. Just like Homeland Security, the Patriot Act and the TSA. They actually strengthened the Patriot Act.

There's only so much they can do. Biden was very pro union. He supported the unions and they did great on his watch. What more would you want Biden to do?

Kick all the illegals out? Trump's not doing that.
Bring manufacturing jobs home and insist those companies pay a living wage? And not automate?
Clinton ruled during the greatest 8 years of my life. Great economy. Ask Trump. Anyone who hated Clinton was jealous.

And Clinton put worker and environmental protections in NAFTA before he signed them. You should have voted for Gore. He wouldn't have removed those protections like Bush did.

You Americans **** up by voting in GOP every 4 to 8 years. You don't stop voting for them until they change. They don't change. And so every 2-8 years we get more trickle down. More tax breaks for the rich. Etc. And good luck putting things back the way they were with slim majorities in the house.

Would you have supported Obama or Biden if they did try to change things back? I doubt it. Yo would have said BUT THAT WILL RAISE PRICES. They'll just pass it on to consumers.

The fact you don't know there is any truth to it tells me you aren't very bright. Then you said something about Progressive Socialists and that's all I needed to hear to realize you aren't listening. You've been brainwashed and no matter what I say you'll disagree.

What do you do for a living? I hope you are uneducated and blue collar. It's them that Trump promised to MAGA. For the rest of us, it's already great.

 

[TimFitz]

NOPE_----the British and American oil companies LIKED the idea of the SHAH COUP----because they
did not like the NATIONAL SOCIALIST (read that nazi-baathist style) ideation of MOSSADEGH.
In fact the Russians ALSO mistrusted Mossadegh. There is no question that the "superpowers"
of the time---wanted the communist TUDEH party ----OUT ----but it was the Iranian Military that did
the coup----not the US NAVY SEALS----blame it on oil

Of course they did!

Anglo-Persian went to #10 and demanded an overthrow.

The British brought the CIA in.

it was never about “national socialist” anything.

It was all about Mossagh’s nationalizing of Iran’s oil resources.

This represented a threat to the British. The typical oil concession at the time gave 28% of the oil revenue to the host country, and the balance to the oil company. Mossadegh wanted to change that. Big oil did not.

it is worth noting that the Iraqi Petroleum Law tried to revive those ratios in Iraq after the American invasion. The Iraqi Parliment never ratified it, dispite deep pressure from Bush and Cheney. The law had actually been written in Houston, and presented to the Iraqis to rubber stamp.

As part of the deal, after the overthrow, Anglo Persian became BP, and were forced to give up part of their concession to the Americans, who, in turn, gave them a small piece of ARAMCO.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/?hpt=po_c2

 

[Mac-7]

And you think air strikes are going to bring down a country of 85 million??????

I know Trump nation IS that dumb.

No

The mullahs were in trouble when obama was president and he refused to give the student uprising any support or encouragement

It could again

 

[Lesh]

Tulsi Gabbard says Iran doesn’t have a nuke and isn’t trying to build one

Remember her?

National Security Advisor

 

[Lisa558]

Seems like the Islamic Terrorist of Iran is giving Trump a big FU, as they continue sending numerous missiles into residential areas of Israel, and in defiance of Trump’s call for complete surrender.

 

[HikerGuy83]

"Trump's anti-war" they said.

LoL. There goes another lie out the door.

What war did he start?

Please, oh leading liar of the left.....tell us.

 

[Rigby5]

Well they have achieved 60% enrichment of uranium, which is well above what they need for commercial power generation. If they get it to 90%, they have an atomic bomb.

Which they obviously could have done 20 years ago if they had not stopped like they said they did.

 

[TimFitz]

Seems like the Islamic Terrorist of Iran is giving Trump a big FU, as they continue sending numerous missiles into residential areas of Israel, and in defiance of Trump’s call for complete surrender.

They see no reason to bow down to the jingoistic bluster and meaningless threats coming from Der fuhrer.

Trump is a pigmy on the world stage.

Iranians know that as well as anyone else.

Trump’s biggest success so far is collecting bribes from Arab states.

 

[Lisa558]

They see no reason to bow down to the jingoistic bluster and meaningless threats coming from Der fuhrer.

Trump is a pigmy on the world stage.

Iranians know that as well as anyone else.

Trump’s biggest success so far is collecting bribes from Arab states.

Hitler! Hitler! Hitler!

Your antics will just make you keep losing elections. Normal people aren’t falling for it.

Thank Gd we have Trump at the helm, and not Brainless Biden or DEI Idiot. They would sit back and let the Islamic Terror State get the bomb.

 

[TimFitz]

Which they obviously could have done 20 years ago if they had not stopped like they said they did.

Twenty year ago, Iran was stepping up its program.

They did so in response to the George WBush’s threats and his “axis of evil speech”.

You may recall that the Americans labeled Iran as part of an imaginary alliance with Iraq and North Korea.

Then, it attacked the country in that axis that did not have an active nuclear program.

The lesson was clear. Get nukes now to deter the US. North Korea did.

Iran hesitated.

Then it agreed to the JCPOA in 2015.

The Americans tore up the deal in 2017.

Now, the US is governed by an unstable, dangerous idiot, who has insulated himself behind a wall of flunkies.

And Netanyahu is leading him around by the nose.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Sayaras]

'Iranian pilots fled on sight': Israeli Air Force pilot reveals details from first strike over Iran.
'Fighting 1,500 km from home isn’t a walk in the park,' says IAF pilot Maj. N’ of the first strike in Iran; 'We saw Iranian jets take off—then flee and vanish, and we stayed two hours and could’ve gone back—again and again'
Elisha Ben Kimon|06.17.25 | 00:11
“This is my correction for October 7—this time we were the initiators,” says Maj N. (31), an F-15 pilot from Squadron 133, one of the first to take part in the unprecedented Israeli airstrikes over Iran at the start of Operation Rising Lion Now, he shares what it was like to wait for the green light, the challenges of flying deep into enemy territory, and the deeply personal sense of “correction” for the failure that launched the war.

'Iranian pilots fled on sight': Israeli Air Force pilot reveals details from first strike over Iran

'Fighting 1,500 km from home isn’t a walk in the park,' says IAF pilot Maj. N’ of the first strike in Iran; 'We saw Iranian jets take off—then flee and vanish, and we stayed two hours and could’ve gone back—again and again'

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