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Mr. P said:Because you don't seem to understand what I have been saying...dead is dead...hate crime is BS...simple.
You don't get that until you're at least 29 and a half.
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Mr. P said:Because you don't seem to understand what I have been saying...dead is dead...hate crime is BS...simple.
JayW said:The following is a bit dated, but I agree with the sentiments expressed:
JayW said:The following excerpt is a bit dated, but I agree with the sentiments expressed:
....And that is precisely the point of hate crime legislation it is designed to send a zero-tolerance message to both perpetrators and victims. To the perpetrators, such laws say loud and clear that Americans reject hate in all of its forms and that they will no longer tolerate intolerance. To victims, hate crime laws suggest that law enforcement authorities will aggressively attempt to apprehend the offenders, even if it means bringing in the FBI.
Perhaps for the first time in history, Americans have taken an initiative in reducing bigotry and prejudice, not because we are in the midst of a crisis, but simply because it is the right thing to do, because it will protect vulnerable people from harm. It would be a shame to abandon this basic American principle.
[Editor's Note : Another Key motivation for retaining hate crimes laws is that without hate crime legislation there would be no way to determine the level of intergroup conflict occurring within our communities. This information is critical towards identifying where resources and efforts have to be allocated to prevent the escalation of racial, ethnic, religious, and other intergroup tension.]
Damn, and I'll be 30 in a few monthsShattered said:You don't get that until you're at least 29 and a half.
manu1959 said:utter crap....this would mean as a straight white dude you can do shit to me that would be illegal to do to a cross dressing black dude on the down low.....
JayW said:How so? If I beat you both up it would still be illegal... for example.
JayW said:The following excerpt is a bit dated, but I agree with the sentiments expressed:
Hate crime legislation can serve as a deterrent. Most hate offenses are committed by a group of perpetrators who are not unlike the four young persons allegedly involved in the gay-bashing and murder of Matthew Shepard in Laramie, Wyoming. Typically, there is one leader and a number of other young people who go along with their friends, because they don't know how to get themselves out of a bad situation. Having a strong hate crime law that is actively prosecuted may not dissuade a hardened hatemonger, but it may give the less committed participants in a bias crime enough reason to convince his buddies that the assault on a vulnerable victim is simply not worth the risk.
Whether in Wyoming or at the federal level, there is every reason to support legislation. Most hate crimes are not murders they are intimidation and threats that often escalate into much worse unless they are stopped in their tracks. And that is precisely the point of hate crime legislation it is designed to send a zero-tolerance message to both perpetrators and victims. To the perpetrators, such laws say loud and clear that Americans reject hate in all of its forms and that they will no longer tolerate intolerance. To victims, hate crime laws suggest that law enforcement authorities will aggressively attempt to apprehend the offenders, even if it means bringing in the FBI.
Laws play many roles in our society. Legislation allows us to prosecute those who commit acts against society, but legislation also reflects the values that the members of a society hold. Similarly, hate crime legislation reflects our collective belief that we Americans are stronger when all or our people have an equal opportunity to participate in democracy.
Perhaps for the first time in history, Americans have taken an initiative in reducing bigotry and prejudice, not because we are in the midst of a crisis, but simply because it is the right thing to do, because it will protect vulnerable people from harm. It would be a shame to abandon this basic American principle.
[Editor's Note : Another Key motivation for retaining hate crimes laws is that without hate crime legislation there would be no way to determine the level of intergroup conflict occurring within our communities. This information is critical towards identifying where resources and efforts have to be allocated to prevent the escalation of racial, ethnic, religious, and other intergroup tension.]
Jack McDevitt is co-director of the Center for Criminal Justice Policy Research and Jack Levin is the Brudnick Professor of Sociology and Criminology, both at Northeastern University. They are co-authors of Hate Crimes: The Rising Tide of Bigotry and Bloodshed published by Plenum Press.
Yep..It's called vandalism..JayW said:Hmm... how about this example:
Say we have a Jewish household. Someone vandalizes the house by painting huge swastikas all over it.
Next door, the house is vandalized by having 'Limp Bizkit' painted on it.
Same crime? Same punishment?
JayW said:Hmm... how about this example:
Say we have a Jewish household. Someone vandalizes the house by painting huge swastikas all over it.
Next door, the house is vandalized by having 'Limp Bizkit' painted on it.
Same crime? Same punishment?
Let me ask you this...one uses green paint..the other blue..Same crime?Mr. P said:Yep..It's called vandalism..
Mr. P said:Let me ask you this...one uses green paint..the other blue..Same crime?
Sir Evil said:I'd rather have the swastikas painted on my house, Limp Bizkit sucks!
Depends on the shade..Sir Evil said:It's a crime to paint your house green! :teeth:
No..I don't think so, but maybe..I don't know..manu1959 said:arguing with yourself olde man?