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yeah but they seem to stick it on anything to do with a gay or minority though. to make it seem that much worse-=d=- said:I'm pretty sure EVERY murder could be a 'hate' crime by definition. :-/
How about a "rage" crime? There would be no end to titles we can create in order to impose the punishment we want...I say leave er alone..get rid of the hate crime BS laws and get back to common sense right/wrong. Georgia did..-=d=- said:I'm pretty sure EVERY murder could be a 'hate' crime by definition. :-/
well theres your problem right there. common sense is another dying artMr. P said:How about a "rage" crime? There would be no end to titles we can create in order to impose the punishment we want...I say leave er alone..get rid of the hate crime BS laws and get back to common sense right/wrong. Georgia did..
In the blue states..Johnney said:well theres your problem right there. common sense is another dying art
Mr. P said:How about a "rage" crime? There would be no end to titles we can create in order to impose the punishment we want...I say leave er alone..get rid of the hate crime BS laws and get back to common sense right/wrong. Georgia did..
It's sometimes called a crime of passion. Do we have additional punishment for passion? Nope.JayW said:The "rage" involved is what prevents them from being charged wth murder 1, way I understand it.
Mr. P said:It's sometimes called a crime of passion. Do we have additional punishment for passion? Nope.
And valid reasons for that...not that I agree, but I understand it.JayW said:In fact, we have less.
Mr. P said:And valid reasons for that...not that I agree, but I understand it.
JayW said:Yeah. On the one hand, planning a killing shows a greater degree of evil than killing in the heat of the moment, perhaps. But at the same time, doesn't it seem kind of like an excuse? The person killed is no less dead! That's why I asked for some thoughts on this case. I would be pretty grossed out if I found out the girl that gave me a blowjob was really a guy/had a penis. I would also be pissed that I had been deceived. But there is no way I would beat the person to death.
So it's hard for me to fully accept the "heat of the moment" thing. People with hairtrigger tempers are no less dangerous, IMO, than our more calculting killers.
Thoughts?
That's pretty much what I'm saying when I say "hate" crime is BS...dead is dead..JayW said:Yeah. On the one hand, planning a killing shows a greater degree of evil than killing in the heat of the moment, perhaps. But at the same time, doesn't it seem kind of like an excuse? The person killed is no less dead! That's why I asked for some thoughts on this case. I would be pretty grossed out if I found out the girl that gave me a blowjob was really a guy/had a penis. I would also be pissed that I had been deceived. But there is no way I would beat the person to death.
So it's hard for me to fully accept the "heat of the moment" thing. People with hairtrigger tempers are no less dangerous, IMO, than our more calculting killers.
Thoguhts?
Mr. P said:That's pretty much what I'm saying when I say "hate" crime is BS...dead is dead..
Circumstances...Motive....Intent all factor in...grossed out, doesn't.
How old are you?JayW said:Well, IMO beatign and hanging someone on a fence because they are gay or dragging them behind your truck because they're black is worse than killing someone because they spun their tires on your front lawn. However, as I said, killing is killing. The victim is no more and no less dead so perhaps the punishment should be the same. On the otherhand, if someone is killed in the midst of a robbery the perpetrator can be charged with capital murder, no? So if someone kills someone because of their race or sexual orientation, is that worse than killing them because they chew gum?
Mr. P said:How old are you?
Because you don't seem to understand what I have been saying...dead is dead...hate crime is BS...simple.JayW said:29. Why do you ask?
JayW said:Well, IMO beatign and hanging someone on a fence because they are gay or dragging them behind your truck because they're black is worse than killing someone because they spun their tires on your front lawn. However, as I said, killing is killing. The victim is no more and no less dead so perhaps the punishment should be the same. On the otherhand, if someone is killed in the midst of a robbery the perpetrator can be charged with capital murder, no? So if someone kills someone because of their race or sexual orientation, is that worse than killing them because they chew gum?
