Top 3 Myths About the Great Depression and the New Deal

That is why Olberman was NOT snapped up by another network.


He bit the hand of the corporate media.
 
Because his station was sold to into the corporate hands who be bit
 
The 1930s: Media: Overview

"the Media"was not what it is today back in the 30s little boy.

It was far more privately owned and split up.

Radio was not yet advertising like they do today.

Newsreels were big and the big paper owners where on opposite sides of each other.

It created a media that was NOT all in the bag of one wealthy group.


Today our media is much more consilidated into corprate hands who all have the same interests in pushing the people to the right so they can have the market unfettered.

They are part of your would be kings silly little man.

The media as with Politics has never changed it MO sorry you failed.
 
So was FDR more of a hero because of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments or for the Japanese Internment Camps, especially since FDR's personal SCOTUS declared them Constitutional by a 6-3 margin?
 
So was FDR more of a hero because of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments or for the Japanese Internment Camps, especially since FDR's personal SCOTUS declared them Constitutional by a 6-3 margin?

I dont recall making a claim that FDR was a hero?

I dont remember claiming he was a saint.

This is NOT the subject of this discussion.
 
The 1930s: Media: Overview

"the Media"was not what it is today back in the 30s little boy.

It was far more privately owned and split up.

Radio was not yet advertising like they do today.

Newsreels were big and the big paper owners where on opposite sides of each other.

It created a media that was NOT all in the bag of one wealthy group.


Today our media is much more consilidated into corprate hands who all have the same interests in pushing the people to the right so they can have the market unfettered.

They are part of your would be kings silly little man.

The media as with Politics has never changed it MO sorry you failed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


per usual you jsut deny the facts to reatain your historically failed ideas.

Dude in 1930 there was NO such thing as TV news and it would not come for another 20 years do to WWII.

That is a demostrrateable change and you have just been porven dead wrong.

Keep lapping up the pablum and sopitting on your own grandparents if you insist.


I will NEVER allow you to spit on mine unchallenged
 
AND?


do you think it wrong for a president to talk to the people who elected him?
 
bigreb is merely a poorly-paid blogger for the Hard Right. The HR's points are poor and bigreb presents them even more poorly.
 
1929-1933 Fed strangles the US Economy nearly to death by decreasing money supply by 1/3, they stopped in 1933.

What a coinkydink!

Hmmmm..Frank, How did it go about doing that? Where'd all the Gold go?


I'm informed that much of went to European national bank accounts.

I am further informed (although I have never confirmed this fact) that it was sold at a serious discount, too.

Anybody have a credible source to confirm or deny this "fact"?

But that couldn't work - it would expand the money supply, which was actually reduced by 1/3rd.
 
So was FDR more of a hero because of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments or for the Japanese Internment Camps, especially since FDR's personal SCOTUS declared them Constitutional by a 6-3 margin?

I dont recall making a claim that FDR was a hero?

I dont remember claiming he was a saint.

This is NOT the subject of this discussion.

FDR's Imaginary "Greatness" and the "Success" of the New Deal is the subject
 
bigreb is merely a poorly-paid blogger for the Hard Right. The HR's points are poor and bigreb presents them even more poorly.

jokey a friend to all liberals, when you reach accross the isle do you also give a reach around?

You don't deny the fact that you are a poorly-paid blogger doing a poor job with poor material? Good enough for me.
 
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Hmmmm..Frank, How did it go about doing that? Where'd all the Gold go?


I'm informed that much of went to European national bank accounts.

I am further informed (although I have never confirmed this fact) that it was sold at a serious discount, too.

Anybody have a credible source to confirm or deny this "fact"?

But that couldn't work - it would expand the money supply, which was actually reduced by 1/3rd.

Gold flowed out of the country in 1931 after European countries started leaving the gold standard. However, much of the money contraction occurred after the failure of the Bank of United States in 1930. Assets to deposits were very low in September of 1930 as people poured money into the banking system after the collapse of the stock market. But after the failure of the Bank of United States - which many Europeans thought was the central bank - deposits began leaving the system indiscriminately. People started putting money in tin cans and mattresses as they withdrew from the banking system, and the ratio of assets to deposits skyrocketed.
 
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I'm informed that much of went to European national bank accounts.

I am further informed (although I have never confirmed this fact) that it was sold at a serious discount, too.

Anybody have a credible source to confirm or deny this "fact"?

But that couldn't work - it would expand the money supply, which was actually reduced by 1/3rd.

Gold flowed out of the country in 1931 after European countries started leaving the gold standard. However, much of the money contraction occurred after the failure of the Bank of United States in 1930. Assets to deposits were very low in September of 1930 as people poured money into the banking system after the collapse of the stock market. But after the failure of the Bank of United States - which many Europeans thought was the central bank - deposits began leaving the system indiscriminately. People started putting money in tin cans and mattresses as they withdrew from the banking system, and the ratio of assets to deposits skyrocketed.

It's almost as if the gold standard that many hold so dear served to strangle the economy when we most needed monetary flexibility.

When FDR took office, one of the very first (and most important) measures he got passed was a move to end bank runs - a move so successful that there were almost 4,000 failures the year the reforms were enacted and 7 (seven!) the year after.

I have a hint of suspicion that such a reform generated economic stability and promoted growth.
 
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Oddball, you are aware that there are right wing and left wing progressives, are you not?

Quit acting dense.
You got caught in an outright lie....Complete with links to the vote breakdowns. Quit trying to worm out of it.

YOU just lied, again. You are trying to revise what happened, and that is fabricating, sonny, and you are no better at it than bigrebnc. The only links were the Congressional elections from 1852, nothing by states or legislatures on the various pieces of legislation during the era.

I said the IRS amendment moved through a Republican world from 1896 to 1912, which is true. That means Republican and Democratic legislatures and electorates voted for it, strange one. The FedReserv bill was passed in 1913 by progressive Dems and Pubs, which you have not denied because you can't unless you change the facts.

The Progressive world from 1902 to 1917 encompassed both parties, which had strong progressive left-leaning or right-leaning wings depending on the party.
 
It is a RIGHT WING THINK TANK

You wouldn't know a "right wing" think tank if it bit you in the ass. For people like you anything coming from anyone or any institution that isn't an anti-American leftwing extremist nutjob opinion, recommendation or suggestion -is "right wing".

Bad news -the policies and economic ideas of the far left are an historically proven failure. Repeatedly. The outcome is known in advance because it contains its own built-in fatal flaw that dooms it to the same outcome.

You don't deal in reality. Leftwing extremists intentionally delude themselves and other leftists that what motivates THEM is actually different from other human beings which is patently false. Oh SURE -only leftwing nutjobs want clean air and water, only leftwing nutjobs love THEIR children, only leftwing nutjobs care about the poor and the sick and those in need. Everyone else actually wants a filthy, uninhabitable place where their children and those of everyone else live desperate, mean-spirited short lives and die disease-ridden and poverty stricken. That is exactly what leftwing nutjobs tell themselves -and will tell YOU. They are amazed that others just can't see it for themselves -since only THEY are INFALLIBLE, HOLY and NOBLE it means only THEY can possibly "care"! And naturally it means only THEY can hold any answers. It is circular thinking and no one benefits from it. The useful idiots of the left wallow in it whole-heartedly -the power hungry puppet masters push and encourage circular thinking as a means of avoiding legitimate debate. Because they know they can't win an honest debate so it is part of their strategy to just avoid it entirely. No one deals in useless sound bites, the superficial, nonstop character assassination in the belief it will kill the message - and deluded circular thinking than leftwing nutjobs.

It takes no critical thinking skills to be a leftwinger -in fact possessing any in great measure actually interferes with the ability to be one for very long. "Counter-intuitive" is actually a word not even recognized by the left -which is why they cannot grasp the reality that it is impossible to wage class warfare and target the most productive, successful, innovative and ambitious among us -without it inflicting even more serious and longer lasting harm on those who are not. If you understand what the word means, it makes it easier to look beyond the superficial and grasp a deeper and more substantial analysis of what happens in REALITY with different policies - and push aside the empty, superficial and meaningless rhetoric that so appeals to the left. It makes it more likely to understand why the most successful policies that do the most good and benefit those at the bottom at the most at first blush look like they are intended to only benefit those at the top. The left cannot look past that for any deeper analysis right off the bat! Which is why they end up being most MINDLESSLY supportive of legislation that merely has the best "touchy-feely" title to it. That's all they need -no matter what it contains and no matter how harmful in practice it may be. What counts most for a liberal is superficial APPEARANCE over substance -every time. Not results and not reality. If they SAY they support a piece of legislation because it CLAIMS it is aimed at helping those at the bottom -then it doesn't matter to them in the least if it actually hurts those at the bottom and makes life far worse for them. Because after all HEY, their hearts were in the right place, right? And THAT is all that really matters to them. They probably made up the saying "its the thought that counts most". No, it isn't the thought that counts most -it is the RESULTS that count most. The left deals in EMOTION and are EMOTION driven -if it appeals to their EMOTIONS, they don't care what it really DOES to people! They will still want to see it inflicted on us because it just FEELS like it ought to do "good". Doesn't really matter if it doesn't and doesn't really matter if it actually HURTS people. Not as long as it has the "touch-feely" title and if those pushing it merely claim to be motivated by all that "NOBLE AND HOLY" stuff.

But what makes them dangerous to others is when they convince themselves that what motivates them automatically means their ideas, opinions and suggested solutions to problems are the only possible correct ones. Once you reach that point -you become useless in the arena of ideas because you can't hear those of anyone else, much less able to give them an honest evaluation and an HONEST debate -based on their MERIT. Which means understanding what happens when they are actually put into practice -no matter how "touchy-feely" sounding they may be and no matter how heart-wrenching the title of it may be. If you refuse to deal in reality about what happens when something is put into practice and cannot argue based on their true MERITS rather than your emotions and how it makes you FEEL -then you can't add anything of substance to the debate. Then they want to eliminate the debate and insist others operate on EMOTION as well. Because what you FEEL is what makes it "right", right? Not what is REAL. This leftwing mentality is pretty useless anyway as far as I'm concerned because being emotion driven means they are incapable of any realistic assessment of consequences -both wanted and unwanted. They can't reassess what happens when put into practice in light of reality -they can only argue how you should FEEL instead -regardless of reality. Combine that with the leftist's belief that government is a magical, benign entity that can and should solve every ill and unwanted consequences be damned AND their nonstop efforts to minimize or outright silence their opponents and halt debate -and it is a dangerous mix. Dangerous to very real human beings.

You are such an ideologue you are incapable of recognizing reality and facts. The left does not hold any "truths", is not infallible -and most of all, there is absolutely NOTHING "holy and noble" about them. Their motives are no more "pure" and their level of "caring" is not greater or better than that of others. And what you REALLY can't wrap your brain around is the FACT that what motivates people does and cannot EVER determine whether their suggestions, solutions or opinions about how to accomplish something are in fact GOOD IDEAS when put into practice!

Bad news for the left -government is NOT a job creating entity and it is not the engine that drives our economy. In spite of that true MORON Biden insisting otherwise. Government can only adopt policies that encourage the real job creators to do so. Or adopt policies that discourage it. In spite of his abject failure to do so already, proving once again the failure of Keynesian economics (which should remain in its grave once and for all!), getting elected to office and holding government jobs really doesn't endow people with special insight, skills and talent that makes THEIR personal decisions better than those who make a living doing it! The idea that people with zero experience in the private sector, have no clue what it takes to create and run a business, no idea what it means to mean a payroll without fail every time -but believes government employees and elected officials are still better at ANYTHING anyone else does in this world -is dangerous to real human beings. Obama believes the proper role of government is for government to pick the economic winners and losers in our country -on the STUPID grounds that if government does that instead of the economic forces in a free system -it will somehow produce greater benefits. It provably will not and history has repeatedly proven it has in PRACTICE inflicted FAR GREATER HARM instead. And inevitably on those at the bottom.

If you have never spent any real time trying to understand WHY the average Cuban makes just $7 a month and the income of the average poor person at the bottom of OUR economic ladder makes more than $14,000 (which is considered to be high middle class on the international standard) -then what do you really have to bring to the debate except useless EMOTION which actually helps no one? Go back to your left wing "think" tank even though that is a contradiction in terms frankly.
 

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