Top 3 Myths About the Great Depression and the New Deal

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They only like right wing rewrites of history

1929-1933 Fed strangles the US Economy nearly to death by decreasing money supply by 1/3, they stopped in 1933.

What a coinkydink!

Hmmmm..Frank, How did it go about doing that? Where'd all the Gold go?
 
They only like right wing rewrites of history

1929-1933 Fed strangles the US Economy nearly to death by decreasing money supply by 1/3, they stopped in 1933.

What a coinkydink!

Hmmmm..Frank, How did it go about doing that? Where'd all the Gold go?


I'm informed that much of went to European national bank accounts.

I am further informed (although I have never confirmed this fact) that it was sold at a serious discount, too.

Anybody have a credible source to confirm or deny this "fact"?
 
yeap one source of info.

tell us where in history his ideas worked to produce the results he claims?

Tell us where in history has socialism/communism produced the results you claim?

why would I do that silly little man.

I dont believe either of those systems are worthy.

I am a capitalist and a realist.
 

The only difference between hitler and FDR was FDR did not try to exterminate anyone, he did however have Americans locked up

Silence?

Because I was gone you dishonest fool.

all you had to do was look at the little square nexct to my name.

I abhore those things you mention done under FDRs watch.

What do they have to do with your team pretending we didnt have a dust bowl ( biggest man made disaster of the time that killed many a job and distroyed many families entire lieve) which added greatly to the problems FDR faced.

Now I dont recall trying to run FDR as a saint but you seem to think that is what the debate is about.

Its about the economy huh?
 
yeap one source of info.

tell us where in history his ideas worked to produce the results he claims?

Tell us where in history has socialism/communism produced the results you claim?

why would I do that silly little man.

I dont believe either of those systems are worthy.

I am a capitalist and a realist.


How many hate post and threads have you made against those evil bankers and wall street investors?
capitalism that invests in innovative enterprises (especially high technology) where the potential profits are large

You are no capitalist.
 
The economic impact of the dust bowl happened at the same time as the depression did in this coutnry huh?

Its impact on our depression was part of the reason it was so long a recovery.

What other nation also had to contend with such a major disaster during the world wide depression?


Again did the fact that other countries entered WWII earlier than we did effect their economic ituations?

According to the theories FDR and his apologists believe in, the dust bowl should have helped end the depression by increasing the price of agricultural products.

No cigar.

bri bri, cant you site anything that shows this to be a fact?

You see just SAYING it is useless when you cant prove it.
 
The economic impact of the dust bowl happened at the same time as the depression did in this coutnry huh?

Its impact on our depression was part of the reason it was so long a recovery.

What other nation also had to contend with such a major disaster during the world wide depression?


Again did the fact that other countries entered WWII earlier than we did effect their economic ituations?

According to the theories FDR and his apologists believe in, the dust bowl should have helped end the depression by increasing the price of agricultural products.

No cigar.

bri bri, cant you site anything that shows this to be a fact?

You see just SAYING it is useless when you cant prove it.

I'm still waiting on you to prove the things you say.
 
Tell us where in history has socialism/communism produced the results you claim?

why would I do that silly little man.

I dont believe either of those systems are worthy.

I am a capitalist and a realist.


How many hate post and threads have you made against those evil bankers and wall street investors?
capitalism that invests in innovative enterprises (especially high technology) where the potential profits are large

You are no capitalist.

I AM A CAPITALIST


I can call you a crossdressing manwhore with vericose viens but it doesnt make you one huh?



You dont get to deside what I believe.


I am a capitalist and a democrat.

I believe in commerse.

I dont believe it is magic like so manhy of you cons do.


Unfettered markets have NEVER produced in the entire history of man what you people always claim it does.

You are deluded and easily fooled by the very people bripat wants to have control.

They are the new wouldbe kings.

You think your approach to caplitalism will free the people because they told you that.

I know capitalism has never produced the results your masters tell you it will.

They have a plan for your and my asses.

I dont like to be a slave.

If you want to be a slave thats your choice.

I will refuse their slavery.


I want capitalism that spurs innovation and protects the new entrants into its halls at every momment of the day.

I want capitalism that allows average joes to have a quality of life that makes the whole world envious of us again.


Trying to strip me of my right to believe in caplitalism because I dont buy your slavery plan is jsut so typical of the very people who controil your mind.

Why dont you just go ask mises what your supposed to say to that?
 
According to the theories FDR and his apologists believe in, the dust bowl should have helped end the depression by increasing the price of agricultural products.

No cigar.

bri bri, cant you site anything that shows this to be a fact?

You see just SAYING it is useless when you cant prove it.

I'm still waiting on you to prove the things you say.

Are you denying the dustbowl happened?
 
why would I do that silly little man.

I dont believe either of those systems are worthy.

I am a capitalist and a realist.


How many hate post and threads have you made against those evil bankers and wall street investors?
capitalism that invests in innovative enterprises (especially high technology) where the potential profits are large

You are no capitalist.

I AM A CAPITALIST


I can call you a crossdressing manwhore with vericose viens but it doesnt make you one huh?



You dont get to deside what I believe.


I am a capitalist and a democrat.

I believe in commerse.

I dont believe it is magic like so manhy of you cons do.


Unfettered markets have NEVER produced in the entire history of man what you people always claim it does.

You are deluded and easily fooled by the very people bripat wants to have control.

They are the new wouldbe kings.

You think your approach to caplitalism will free the people because they told you that.

I know capitalism has never produced the results your masters tell you it will.

They have a plan for your and my asses.

I dont like to be a slave.

If you want to be a slave thats your choice.

I will refuse their slavery.


I want capitalism that spurs innovation and protects the new entrants into its halls at every momment of the day.

I want capitalism that allows average joes to have a quality of life that makes the whole world envious of us again.


Trying to strip me of my right to believe in caplitalism because I dont buy your slavery plan is jsut so typical of the very people who controil your mind.

Why dont you just go ask mises what your supposed to say to that?

You're no ******* capitalist.
 
Your public school indoctrination has mislead you. GOVERNMENT CAUSED THE GREAT DEPRESSION!!!

At their peak, stocks in the Dow Jones Industrial Average were selling for 19 times earnings - somewhat high, but hardly what stock market analysts regard as a sign of inordinate speculation. The distortions in the economy promoted by the Fed's monetary policy had set the country up for a recession, but other impositions to come would soon turn the recession into a full-scale disaster. As stocks took a beating, Congress was playing with fire: On the very morning of Black Thursday, the nation's newspapers reported that the political forces for higher trade-damaging tariffs were making gains on Capitol Hill.

The stock market crash was only a reflection - not the direct cause - of the destructive government policies that would ultimately produce the Great Depression. The market rose and fell in almost direct synchronization with what the Fed and Congress were doing. And what they did in the 1930s ranks way up there in the annals of history's greatest follies.

There was already a long history of margin lending on stock exchanges, and margin requirements (the share of the purchase price paid in cash) were no lower in the late twenties than in the early twenties or in previous decades. In fact, in the fall of 1928 margin requirements began to rise, and borrowers were required to pay a larger share of the purchase price of the stocks.

The free market excess margin lending argument doesn't hold much water. Government intervention with money, credit supply, trade & labor, however, is another story.

The government inflated the money and credit supply, interest rates fell. Businesses invested this "easy money" in new production projects and a boom took place. As the boom matured, business costs rose, interest rates readjust upward, and profits were squeezed. The easy-money effects thus wear off and the Fed's monetary authorities, fearing price inflation, contracted, the money supply. In either case, the governments manipulation was enough to tank the economy.

Using a broad measure that includes currency, demand and time deposits, and other ingredients, the Fed bloated the money supply by more than 60 percent from 1916 to 1928. This expansion of money and credit drove interest rates down, pushed stocks, & asset prices to dizzy heights which gave birth to the "Roaring Twenties. Then by 1929, the Federal Reserve was raising interest rates and choking off the money supply until 1933.

The crowning folly of government intervention was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in June 1930. It was the most protectionist legislation in U.S. history. It virtually closed the borders and ignited a vicious international trade war. This put American business & agriculture into a tailspin for the preceding decade.

With a stroke of the presidential pen, farmers in this country lost nearly a third of their markets. Grain prices plummeted by 70% & tens of thousands of farmers went bankrupt. This created un-planted, fallow & neglected farms that caused the "Dust Bowl" which further destroyed the economy. With the collapse of agriculture, rural banks failed in record numbers, dragging down hundreds of thousands of their customers. Nine thousand banks closed their doors in the United States between 1930 and 1933. The stock market, which had regained much of the ground it had lost since the previous October, tumbled on the day Hoover signed Smoot-Hawley into law, and fell almost without respite for the next two years.

The Smoot-Hawley Tariffs by itself should lay to rest the myth that Hoover was a free market practitioner. Hoover's "high-wage" policy & the trade unions succeeded only in pricing workers out of the labor market, generating an increasing circle of unemployment. His Reconstruction Finance Corporation ladled out billions more in business & farm subsidies.

Hoover signed the Revenue Act of 1932. The largest tax increase in peacetime history, it doubled the income tax. The top bracket soared from 24 percent to 63 percent. Exemptions were lowered; the earned income credit was abolished; corporate and estate taxes were raised; new gift, gasoline and auto taxes were imposed; and postal rates were sharply hiked. Hoover even taxed bank checks, which accelerated the decline in the multiplier of available money & slowed the velocity of money by penalizing people for writing checks.

In the space of one year alone, from 1930 to 1931, under Hoover the federal government's share of GNP soared from 16.4 percent to 21.5 percent. Can any serious scholar observe the Hoover administration's massive economic intervention and, with a straight face, pronounce the inevitably deleterious effects as the fault of free markets?

The shrinkage in world trade brought on by the tariff wars helped set the stage for World War-II a few years later. When tariffs made it nearly impossible for foreign businessmen to sell their goods in American markets, the burden of their debts became massively heavier and emboldened demagogues like Adolf Hitler. "When goods don't cross frontiers, armies will".

link?
 
How many hate post and threads have you made against those evil bankers and wall street investors?


You are no capitalist.

I AM A CAPITALIST


I can call you a crossdressing manwhore with vericose viens but it doesnt make you one huh?



You dont get to deside what I believe.


I am a capitalist and a democrat.

I believe in commerse.

I dont believe it is magic like so manhy of you cons do.


Unfettered markets have NEVER produced in the entire history of man what you people always claim it does.

You are deluded and easily fooled by the very people bripat wants to have control.

They are the new wouldbe kings.

You think your approach to caplitalism will free the people because they told you that.

I know capitalism has never produced the results your masters tell you it will.

They have a plan for your and my asses.

I dont like to be a slave.

If you want to be a slave thats your choice.

I will refuse their slavery.


I want capitalism that spurs innovation and protects the new entrants into its halls at every momment of the day.

I want capitalism that allows average joes to have a quality of life that makes the whole world envious of us again.


Trying to strip me of my right to believe in caplitalism because I dont buy your slavery plan is jsut so typical of the very people who controil your mind.

Why dont you just go ask mises what your supposed to say to that?

You're no ******* capitalist.

go slave go.


Now can you tell me why you buy a theory of the markets that has NEVER been proven out in any human society in all our history?
 
I AM A CAPITALIST


I can call you a crossdressing manwhore with vericose viens but it doesnt make you one huh?



You dont get to deside what I believe.


I am a capitalist and a democrat.

I believe in commerse.

I dont believe it is magic like so manhy of you cons do.


Unfettered markets have NEVER produced in the entire history of man what you people always claim it does.

You are deluded and easily fooled by the very people bripat wants to have control.

They are the new wouldbe kings.

You think your approach to caplitalism will free the people because they told you that.

I know capitalism has never produced the results your masters tell you it will.

They have a plan for your and my asses.

I dont like to be a slave.

If you want to be a slave thats your choice.

I will refuse their slavery.


I want capitalism that spurs innovation and protects the new entrants into its halls at every momment of the day.

I want capitalism that allows average joes to have a quality of life that makes the whole world envious of us again.


Trying to strip me of my right to believe in caplitalism because I dont buy your slavery plan is jsut so typical of the very people who controil your mind.

Why dont you just go ask mises what your supposed to say to that?

You're no ******* capitalist.

go slave go.


Now can you tell me why you buy a theory of the markets that has NEVER been proven out in any human society in all our history?

You're no capitalist sorry either your lying in all your post or you're confused about what a capitalist is.
 
Obama has been a real disappointment to all Americans, as you are as well. Obama must be your hero.

Obama is your hero & YOU WILL VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN!!!!!!

I have never voted for him, but you must have because of your very apparent upset of his betrayal of you. Those who get as loud and silly as you and bigrebc must have voted for him.

I will vote for Romney next year now I know Perry cannot get the nomination.
 
Franklin D. Roosevelt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Landslide re-election, 1936

Main article: United States presidential election, 1936

In the 1936 presidential election, Roosevelt campaigned on his New Deal programs against Kansas Governor Alf Landon, who accepted much of the New Deal but objected that it was hostile to business and involved too much waste. Roosevelt and Garner won 60.8% of the vote and carried every state except Maine and Vermont.[103] The New Deal Democrats won even larger majorities in Congress. Roosevelt was backed by a coalition of voters which included traditional Democrats across the country, small farmers, the "Solid South", Catholics, big city political machines, labor unions, northern African Americans, Jews, intellectuals and political liberals. This coalition, frequently referred to as the New Deal coalition, remained largely intact for the Democratic Party until the 1960s.[104] Roosevelt's popularity meant massive volumes of correspondence in need of reply. He once told his son James, "Two short sentences will generally answer any known letter."[105]

The American people at the tiem were the best judges of how FDR was doing.


To come back 70 years later and pretend (by omitting facts) that FDR was a bad guy because it fits your current political naraitive is about as devious as it gets.



I for one will not let you people spit on this generation of Americans.

These Americans were the hard scabble do or die people who rebuilt this country from the last huge ******* mess your party created. The did it with work harder than you will ever know in your lives and then turned arround and kicked Hilters ass and then turned arround and won the pacific theater war.


They were not stupid , they new what REAL hard scrape was.

They saved your mamby pamby asses and how do you reward them?


BY SLANDERING THEM!


It times like this that I wish there was a heaven and hell and when you walked into heaven these guys would be standing at the gate and were allowed to tell you to your face jsut what a pack of fools you are for allowing your minds to be used by the future would be kings you lap your pablum from their hands from so readily.


DO NOT SLANDER THIS GENERATION YOU UNGRATEFUL GRANDCHILDREN!
 
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Franklin D. Roosevelt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Landslide re-election, 1936

Main article: United States presidential election, 1936

In the 1936 presidential election, Roosevelt campaigned on his New Deal programs against Kansas Governor Alf Landon, who accepted much of the New Deal but objected that it was hostile to business and involved too much waste. Roosevelt and Garner won 60.8% of the vote and carried every state except Maine and Vermont.[103] The New Deal Democrats won even larger majorities in Congress. Roosevelt was backed by a coalition of voters which included traditional Democrats across the country, small farmers, the "Solid South", Catholics, big city political machines, labor unions, northern African Americans, Jews, intellectuals and political liberals. This coalition, frequently referred to as the New Deal coalition, remained largely intact for the Democratic Party until the 1960s.[104] Roosevelt's popularity meant massive volumes of correspondence in need of reply. He once told his son James, "Two short sentences will generally answer any known letter."[105]

The American people at the tiem were the best judges of how FDR was doing.


To come back 70 years later and pretend (by omitting facts) that FDR was a bad guy because it fits your current political naraitive is about as devious as it gets.



I for one will not let you people spit on this generation of Americans.

These Americans were the hard scabble do or die people who rebuilt this country from the last huge ******* mess your party created. The did it with work harder than you will ever know in your lives and then turned arround and kicked Hilters ass and then turned arround and won the pacific theater war.


They were not stupid , they new what REAL hard scrape was.

They saved your mamby pamby asses and how do you reward them?


BY SLANDERING THEM!


It times like this that I wish there was a heaven and hell and when you walked into heaven these guys would be standing at the gate and were allowed to tell you to your face jsut what a pack of fools you are for allowing your minds to be used by the future would be kings you lap your pablum from their hands from so readily.


DO NOT SLANDER THIS GENERATION YOU UNGRATEFUL GRANDCHILDREN!

The American people at the tiem were the best judges of how FDR was doing.

So what about those from 2000 and 2004? Did we know George Bush? Politicans lie your god FDR lied obama lied, so do not use the vote to show how the people felt about a president.

I'll reply to the other drool when it dries
 
The American people were not just lied to by Bush.

They were lied to by our news media.

Olberman was the ONLY person on the air questioning what the Bush people were doing.


We have a coprorate media my friend and you bought right into their corporate lies.
 
The American people were not just lied to by Bush.

They were lied to by our news media.

Olberman was the ONLY person on the air questioning what the Bush people were doing.


We have a coprorate media my friend and you bought right into their corporate lies.

and you somehow think the media didn't lie for fdr and obama?
 
The 1930s: Media: Overview

"the Media"was not what it is today back in the 30s little boy.

It was far more privately owned and split up.

Radio was not yet advertising like they do today.

Newsreels were big and the big paper owners where on opposite sides of each other.

It created a media that was NOT all in the bag of one wealthy group.


Today our media is much more consilidated into corprate hands who all have the same interests in pushing the people to the right so they can have the market unfettered.

They are part of your would be kings silly little man.
 

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