To liberals: Why were you whining about the Citizens United decision?

[martybegan]

Your point Mr "Fake Republican"?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your point Mr "Fake Republican"?

 

[martybegan]

Your point Mr "Fake Republican"?

If that's supposed to be a bong, the smiley is doing it wrong....

 

[Wry Catcher]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

The issue is not that you want to take money out of politics, you want to take the other sides money out of politics.

Bull shit! Elections ought to be about ideas and character and who benefits. Today we get character assassinations, bigotry and 30-second hit pieces on the TV and Radio. It's the goal of the conservatives, dumb down Americans; in reading the posts from the 21st Century self defined Conservatives on this message board, it is working.

You must be one of those people that believe the Ideal Gas Law applies to all situations as well. Reality impinges upon the fantasy that seems to muddle in your head. And the fact that you blame this only on "conservatives" means you are either blind, a hack, or a bit of both.

Also, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, I suggest taking a breath and trying to re-type it.

Let's see, you used 50 + words to post an ad hominem; and not one word to rebut what I posted.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

The issue is not that you want to take money out of politics, you want to take the other sides money out of politics.

Bull shit! Elections ought to be about ideas and character and who benefits. Today we get character assassinations, bigotry and 30-second hit pieces on the TV and Radio. It's the goal of the conservatives, dumb down Americans; in reading the posts from the 21st Century self defined Conservatives on this message board, it is working.

You must be one of those people that believe the Ideal Gas Law applies to all situations as well. Reality impinges upon the fantasy that seems to muddle in your head. And the fact that you blame this only on "conservatives" means you are either blind, a hack, or a bit of both.

Also, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, I suggest taking a breath and trying to re-type it.

Let's see, you used 50 + words to post an ad hominem; and not one word to rebut what I posted.

Yup, Marty does not have much to offer.

 

[Londoner]

Obama beat the 47 percent guy and the trend suggests that a socialist will become President,as he is about to surpass the super rich Hillary, and he leads the even richer Trump. In general election match ups. Do you admit that you were grossly exaggerating the impact of that decision?

The Citizens United Decision gives Republicans what they most want: the ability to keep Americans in the dark about who is funding their campaigns.

Light is a disinfectant. It illuminates lies and deception. So of course Republicans don't want a light shone on their campaigns.

As for the impact of the decision on our political machinery, I think transparency is a good thing. Republicans disagree. They tend to favor government secrecy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

You have to spend money to buy air time. And air time is speech. If you ban the spending of money, you are banning access to free speech.

It's very simple to grasp if...you know...you want to.

Oh, and Bernie is not going to be President. Bank it.


Bank it! Get it? BWA-HA-HA-HA!

Using money to buy air time and print time creates an unlevel playing field and and prevents honest, open and critical debate on candidates and issues.

It's really that simple, for those capable of understanding.

Using print has been part of campaigning since the founding of the Country. Proxies used to campaign for candidates in local areas. How is that different from current print/internet and TV commercials?

Internet and TV political commercials weren't used by Jefferson to win his first election as POTUS? And print attacks were limited to large population centers not every farm house in the states.

Propaganda didn't become a science until the 20th Century and no such thing as SuperPACS existed untl recently.

The world has changed and so have the rules. Soon the Supreme Court will act on labor unions right to use dues of its members to support initiatives, and elected officials who support the working men and women which will benefit of SuperPACS and corporate power.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You can donate your hard-earned nickles and dimes to an association which can greatly amplify your voice. That's another freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment. Free association.

There's a big megaphone outlet for every cause. No one is excluded or locked out. Those who say otherwise are lying to you.

The evidence is right in front of you. The very politicians who whine about big money in politics are raking it in.

Again, each side will try to tailor any money restrictions to help their side, and hurt the other.

Letting everyone spend as they see fit is better than trying to control it.

Senate Republicans block DISCLOSE Act for second straight day


Senate Republicans block DISCLOSE Act for second straight day - CNNPolitics.com

Why don't Republicans want YOU (all of us) to know who gives them money?

 

[A Perez]

By normal definitions and terms HRC is moderate.

You are the libertarian, Marty.

Political scientists who measure ideology describe Hillary as a "hardcore liberal". Hillary Clinton on the Issues

 

[Wry Catcher]

By normal definitions and terms HRC is moderate.

You are the libertarian, Marty.

Political scientists who measure ideology describe Hillary as a "hardcore liberal". Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Sorry one source is not definitive, and the source is way beyond the scope of any research on the matters in question, especially on context and audience.

 

[JakeStarkey]

By normal definitions and terms HRC is moderate.

You are the libertarian, Marty.

Political scientists who measure ideology describe Hillary as a "hardcore liberal". Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Which political scientists? Two of them, a minority, a majority, all? Let's be accurate now.

 

[martybegan]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

The issue is not that you want to take money out of politics, you want to take the other sides money out of politics.

Bull shit! Elections ought to be about ideas and character and who benefits. Today we get character assassinations, bigotry and 30-second hit pieces on the TV and Radio. It's the goal of the conservatives, dumb down Americans; in reading the posts from the 21st Century self defined Conservatives on this message board, it is working.

You must be one of those people that believe the Ideal Gas Law applies to all situations as well. Reality impinges upon the fantasy that seems to muddle in your head. And the fact that you blame this only on "conservatives" means you are either blind, a hack, or a bit of both.

Also, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, I suggest taking a breath and trying to re-type it.

Let's see, you used 50 + words to post an ad hominem; and not one word to rebut what I posted.

Considering you started your post with the term "bullshit", I felt no need to restrain my response to you. I did rebut your assertion, and you naivete.

 

[martybegan]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

The issue is not that you want to take money out of politics, you want to take the other sides money out of politics.

Bull shit! Elections ought to be about ideas and character and who benefits. Today we get character assassinations, bigotry and 30-second hit pieces on the TV and Radio. It's the goal of the conservatives, dumb down Americans; in reading the posts from the 21st Century self defined Conservatives on this message board, it is working.

You must be one of those people that believe the Ideal Gas Law applies to all situations as well. Reality impinges upon the fantasy that seems to muddle in your head. And the fact that you blame this only on "conservatives" means you are either blind, a hack, or a bit of both.

Also, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, I suggest taking a breath and trying to re-type it.

Let's see, you used 50 + words to post an ad hominem; and not one word to rebut what I posted.

Yup, Marty does not have much to offer.

The hypocrisy of this post has opened up a rift in the time space continuum.

 

[martybegan]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

You have to spend money to buy air time. And air time is speech. If you ban the spending of money, you are banning access to free speech.

It's very simple to grasp if...you know...you want to.

Oh, and Bernie is not going to be President. Bank it.


Bank it! Get it? BWA-HA-HA-HA!

Using money to buy air time and print time creates an unlevel playing field and and prevents honest, open and critical debate on candidates and issues.

It's really that simple, for those capable of understanding.

Using print has been part of campaigning since the founding of the Country. Proxies used to campaign for candidates in local areas. How is that different from current print/internet and TV commercials?

Internet and TV political commercials weren't used by Jefferson to win his first election as POTUS? And print attacks were limited to large population centers not every farm house in the states.

Propaganda didn't become a science until the 20th Century and no such thing as SuperPACS existed untl recently.

The world has changed and so have the rules. Soon the Supreme Court will act on labor unions right to use dues of its members to support initiatives, and elected officials who support the working men and women which will benefit of SuperPACS and corporate power.

Propaganda has been around and applied since a neanderthal painted a dirty cave picture of his opposition for Chief.

People used to go to the town squares and markets to espouse the virtues of the candidates, its the same thing as TV commercials and internet broadcasts today, except it costs more money.

 

[martybegan]

You can donate your hard-earned nickles and dimes to an association which can greatly amplify your voice. That's another freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment. Free association.

There's a big megaphone outlet for every cause. No one is excluded or locked out. Those who say otherwise are lying to you.

The evidence is right in front of you. The very politicians who whine about big money in politics are raking it in.

Again, each side will try to tailor any money restrictions to help their side, and hurt the other.

Letting everyone spend as they see fit is better than trying to control it.

Senate Republicans block DISCLOSE Act for second straight day


Senate Republicans block DISCLOSE Act for second straight day - CNNPolitics.com

Why don't Republicans want YOU (all of us) to know who gives them money?

You really think the Dem senators wanted it to pass? They knew they had a safe "no vote" to play up for the rubes, like you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The issue is not that you want to take money out of politics, you want to take the other sides money out of politics.

Bull shit! Elections ought to be about ideas and character and who benefits. Today we get character assassinations, bigotry and 30-second hit pieces on the TV and Radio. It's the goal of the conservatives, dumb down Americans; in reading the posts from the 21st Century self defined Conservatives on this message board, it is working.

You must be one of those people that believe the Ideal Gas Law applies to all situations as well. Reality impinges upon the fantasy that seems to muddle in your head. And the fact that you blame this only on "conservatives" means you are either blind, a hack, or a bit of both.

Also, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, I suggest taking a breath and trying to re-type it.

Let's see, you used 50 + words to post an ad hominem; and not one word to rebut what I posted.

Yup, Marty does not have much to offer.

The hypocrisy of this post has opened up a rift in the time space continuum.

Many conservatives wish to dumb down Americans, as do many liberals. Libertarians are already dumbed down, so no need to worry about them.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Because money is not free speech, and it takes a special degree of dishonesty to pretend that is it. Money is money, speech is speech, and they are two entirely different things.

You have to spend money to buy air time. And air time is speech. If you ban the spending of money, you are banning access to free speech.

It's very simple to grasp if...you know...you want to.

Oh, and Bernie is not going to be President. Bank it.


Bank it! Get it? BWA-HA-HA-HA!

Using money to buy air time and print time creates an unlevel playing field and and prevents honest, open and critical debate on candidates and issues.

It's really that simple, for those capable of understanding.

Using print has been part of campaigning since the founding of the Country. Proxies used to campaign for candidates in local areas. How is that different from current print/internet and TV commercials?

Internet and TV political commercials weren't used by Jefferson to win his first election as POTUS? And print attacks were limited to large population centers not every farm house in the states.

Propaganda didn't become a science until the 20th Century and no such thing as SuperPACS existed untl recently.

The world has changed and so have the rules. Soon the Supreme Court will act on labor unions right to use dues of its members to support initiatives, and elected officials who support the working men and women which will benefit of SuperPACS and corporate power.

Propaganda has been around and applied since a neanderthal painted a dirty cave picture of his opposition for Chief.

People used to go to the town squares and markets to espouse the virtues of the candidates, its the same thing as TV commercials and internet broadcasts today, except it costs more money.

You may be so brainwashed, partisan and closed of mind that your ability to think has been extinguished.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You can donate your hard-earned nickles and dimes to an association which can greatly amplify your voice. That's another freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment. Free association.

There's a big megaphone outlet for every cause. No one is excluded or locked out. Those who say otherwise are lying to you.

The evidence is right in front of you. The very politicians who whine about big money in politics are raking it in.

Again, each side will try to tailor any money restrictions to help their side, and hurt the other.

Letting everyone spend as they see fit is better than trying to control it.

Senate Republicans block DISCLOSE Act for second straight day


Senate Republicans block DISCLOSE Act for second straight day - CNNPolitics.com

Why don't Republicans want YOU (all of us) to know who gives them money?

You really think the Dem senators wanted it to pass? They knew they had a safe "no vote" to play up for the rubes, like you.

Take your personal attack and shove up your ass, assuming the unlikely that with your head there room still exists.

You have no way of knowing what motivated a senator to support disclosure, yet it is self evident why the Republicans voted against it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

--LOL

 

[martybegan]

Bull shit! Elections ought to be about ideas and character and who benefits. Today we get character assassinations, bigotry and 30-second hit pieces on the TV and Radio. It's the goal of the conservatives, dumb down Americans; in reading the posts from the 21st Century self defined Conservatives on this message board, it is working.

You must be one of those people that believe the Ideal Gas Law applies to all situations as well. Reality impinges upon the fantasy that seems to muddle in your head. And the fact that you blame this only on "conservatives" means you are either blind, a hack, or a bit of both.

Also, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, I suggest taking a breath and trying to re-type it.

Let's see, you used 50 + words to post an ad hominem; and not one word to rebut what I posted.

Yup, Marty does not have much to offer.

The hypocrisy of this post has opened up a rift in the time space continuum.

Many conservatives wish to dumb down Americans, as do many liberals. Libertarians are already dumbed down, so no need to worry about them.

Small "l" libertarians are usually independent minded, and tend to be smarter than the average bear.

How smart do you have to be to play "follow the leader?"