To Conservatives: What drives the economy?

[Dad2three]

So you're implying that every position in a corporation is equally important, equally responsible for the health of the corporation and all should be equally compensated? If not, exactly what does your model look like, and what incentive are you offering to those who are taking the heavy load of running corporation if not money?

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs



CEOs like to justify their sky-high pay by saying it rewards their work in steering companies toward better performance. But a new analysis doesn’t give much evidence to back that up.

Equilar, an executive compensation consultancy, compared the salaries of 200 highly paid CEOs to their companies’ performance based on things like profitability, revenue, and stock return. Rather than showing a clear trend line linking pay and performance, the data is scattered. In fact, chief executive pay is only 1 percent based on stock performance, with 99 percent based on other things entirely.

Here’s how it looks when Equilar compared stock return to CEO pay for 200 CEOs:

As Bloomberg Businessweek notes, “The comparison makes it look as if there is zero relationship between pay and performance.”

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs | ThinkProgress


The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do


The companies that pay their chief executives the most see the worst results for shareholders, according to a new study, with an average annual shareholder loss of $1.4 billion at the companies with the highest CEO pay.

Exorbitant CEO compensation packages breed overconfidence,
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The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do

WTF is it your business what CEOs get paid?

"The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do"

 

[Mac1958]

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In America, you can start your own business and enjoy the fruits of your own labor and sacrifice.

I know how crazy that sounds to some.

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You can do that in Mexico and Somalia too. Try it there some time!

Why would I do that?

This is the best place to do it.

Get on it.

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[rdean]

If Republicans think skilled labor is driving a Walmart Fork Lift, then how can you seriously believe any of their economic policies?

 

[Mac1958]

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Any time a thread begins with an either/or question to a highly complex issue, hilarity is bound to ensue.

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Nothing is more hilarious than right wingers explaining how "supply and demand" is something silly that liberals "made up". Jobs are created by the job CREATORS.

Watching partisan ideologues on either end reduce such a complicated issue to bumper sticker sloganeering is even funnier than that.

No mirrors in your home, huh?

.

 

[Dad2three]

Liberals don't despise corporate wealth. Liberals despise the way corporate wealth is sequestered among the very wealthy and never really goes to those who have EARNED that wealth for the corporations: the actual workers.

So you're implying that every position in a corporation is equally important, equally responsible for the health of the corporation and all should be equally compensated? If not, exactly what does your model look like, and what incentive are you offering to those who are taking the heavy load of running corporation if not money?

He thinks the CEO, COO, CIO, and CFO do nothing but drink coffee all day.

No they tend to do things that push up short term profits and increase stock prices, then pull out their 'earned' incomes from laying off employees and shorting the Corps investments in infrastructure or maintenance then have those costs fall on the Biz AFTER they've extracted their short term profits. See Dubya's great recession (aka Bankster created Sub prime crisis) for most recent example.

 

[Dad2three]

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Any time a thread begins with an either/or question to a highly complex issue, hilarity is bound to ensue.

.

Nothing is more hilarious than right wingers explaining how "supply and demand" is something silly that liberals "made up". Jobs are created by the job CREATORS.

Watching partisan ideologues on either end reduce such a complicated issue to bumper sticker sloganeering is even funnier than that.

No mirrors in your home, huh?

.

Unfortunately ONE side believes in myths and fairy tales and hates science and math!

 

[Dad2three]

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In America, you can start your own business and enjoy the fruits of your own labor and sacrifice.

I know how crazy that sounds to some.

.

You can do that in Mexico and Somalia too. Try it there some time!

Why would I do that?

This is the best place to do it.

Get on it.

.

Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

 

[Dad2three]

There's a big difference between what you THINK you're putting on the table, and what the results are going to be of the horseshit you're putting on the table. That's always the problem with your bullshit.

NAME ONE TIME CONSERVATIVES HAVE EVER BEEN CORRECT ON US POLICY? EVER?

They said Bush/Reagan tax cuts would boom the economy and create 'jobs, jobs, jobs' and Clinton increasing taxes would lead to a recession, lol

It is a truth universally acknowledged that when a poster resorts to replying in All Caps in Bold, said poster is admitting defeat.

Got it, So you can't point to even one

 

[Mac1958]

You can do that in Mexico and Somalia too. Try it there some time!

Why would I do that?

This is the best place to do it.

Get on it.

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Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

Well, at least you're honest.

Sure beats putting out the effort to improve your own life.

Just take it.

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[Newby]

The "tax cut trickle down" obviously failed. How about we streamline the tax code, reduce for businesses but eliminate loopholes. Drop the business tax a few percent/poor peeps still don't have to pay (cause they r broke duh). Win/win, kill the loopholes, keep the same or close cash coming in.

While your ideas seem to have merit for the middle and the poorer, why would the ultra wealthy want to change ANYTHING about the way things are currently being done?

The ultra wealthy have never had it so good. They have had the "trickle down" of QE to make money with. Great tax rates and an entire Republican party looking out for their interests.
Why change a thing?

It's amazing how many poor pathetic souls are out there that actually believe the propaganda the democrats spew about having their backs and how they 'care' about them, while the republicans are all for the 'rich guy'. I wonder if you realize how naive and stupid you look when you make a remark like that?

 

[rdean]

.

Any time a thread begins with an either/or question to a highly complex issue, hilarity is bound to ensue.

.

Nothing is more hilarious than right wingers explaining how "supply and demand" is something silly that liberals "made up". Jobs are created by the job CREATORS.

Watching partisan ideologues on either end reduce such a complicated issue to bumper sticker sloganeering is even funnier than that.

No mirrors in your home, huh?

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I'm not the one who thinks "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory and who believes jobs are created by the "job CREATORS".

 

[rdean]

Nothing is more hilarious than right wingers explaining how "supply and demand" is something silly that liberals "made up". Jobs are created by the job CREATORS.

Watching partisan ideologues on either end reduce such a complicated issue to bumper sticker sloganeering is even funnier than that.

No mirrors in your home, huh?

.

Unfortunately ONE side believes in myths and fairy tales and hates science and math!

True.

 

[Newby]

Anyone ever notice how a person like the above who is ate up with Obama Derangement Syndrome, never, ever accepts responsibility for what they have or haven't done?

It's all Harrys fault, It's all Obama's fault.

Fortunately the Repubs won't win the WH in my remaining life so they won't get to blame Obama for their next failed Presidency. But they would have if they could have.

It is a fact that Reid has not any house-passed tax reform, budget, or jobs bills reach the floor of the senate for a vote. That is simply stating a fact. Is he afraid one might pass the senate and then obama would have to sign it or veto it? Why are they afraid of a senate vote?

The GOP will win the white house in 2016, the GOP will control the senate and house in 2015. Obama has failed, liberalism has failed. The american people know it and are fed up.

BTW, obama is responsible for what happens during his reign, as are all presidents.

It's a fact that every piece of proposed legislation from the House has some sort of poison pill contained in the proposal and the Repubs in the House KNOW that Harry isn't gonna bring it up. Because of the stupidity contained in the Repub proposal.

To bad that you are so stupid that YOU believe that Repubs have your interest in mind.
At least Harry knows the truth. Repubs are just posturing for people like you. So you can blame anyone else for Repub failures, except Repubs.

Amazingly, it works every time on people like you. It's Harrys fault. It's Obama's fault. Isn't that what you just said? See, it's working.

Do you really believe that the democrats have your best interests in mind?

 

[Newby]

Liberals don't despise corporate wealth. Liberals despise the way corporate wealth is sequestered among the very wealthy and never really goes to those who have EARNED that wealth for the corporations: the actual workers.

So you're implying that every position in a corporation is equally important, equally responsible for the health of the corporation and all should be equally compensated? If not, exactly what does your model look like, and what incentive are you offering to those who are taking the heavy load of running corporation if not money?

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs



CEOs like to justify their sky-high pay by saying it rewards their work in steering companies toward better performance. But a new analysis doesn’t give much evidence to back that up.

Equilar, an executive compensation consultancy, compared the salaries of 200 highly paid CEOs to their companies’ performance based on things like profitability, revenue, and stock return. Rather than showing a clear trend line linking pay and performance, the data is scattered. In fact, chief executive pay is only 1 percent based on stock performance, with 99 percent based on other things entirely.

Here’s how it looks when Equilar compared stock return to CEO pay for 200 CEOs:

As Bloomberg Businessweek notes, “The comparison makes it look as if there is zero relationship between pay and performance.”

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs | ThinkProgress


The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do


The companies that pay their chief executives the most see the worst results for shareholders, according to a new study, with an average annual shareholder loss of $1.4 billion at the companies with the highest CEO pay.

Exorbitant CEO compensation packages breed overconfidence,
\

The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do

So all that bullshit you posted is basically a 'yes', so you're completely unaware of the repercussions that would have if actually put into effect? Which makes sense, because progressives never care about consequences, they always lie and obfuscate to be sure someone else is blamed for the consequences of their policies.

So what's the max a CEO should be compensated?

 

[Newby]

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs



CEOs like to justify their sky-high pay by saying it rewards their work in steering companies toward better performance. But a new analysis doesn’t give much evidence to back that up.

Equilar, an executive compensation consultancy, compared the salaries of 200 highly paid CEOs to their companies’ performance based on things like profitability, revenue, and stock return. Rather than showing a clear trend line linking pay and performance, the data is scattered. In fact, chief executive pay is only 1 percent based on stock performance, with 99 percent based on other things entirely.

Here’s how it looks when Equilar compared stock return to CEO pay for 200 CEOs:

As Bloomberg Businessweek notes, “The comparison makes it look as if there is zero relationship between pay and performance.”

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs | ThinkProgress


The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do


The companies that pay their chief executives the most see the worst results for shareholders, according to a new study, with an average annual shareholder loss of $1.4 billion at the companies with the highest CEO pay.

Exorbitant CEO compensation packages breed overconfidence,
\

The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do

WTF is it your business what CEOs get paid?

"The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do"

So what are you going to teach your three children? They should never aspire to great heights or have any ambitions to be financially successful?

 

[zeke]

It is a fact that Reid has not any house-passed tax reform, budget, or jobs bills reach the floor of the senate for a vote. That is simply stating a fact. Is he afraid one might pass the senate and then obama would have to sign it or veto it? Why are they afraid of a senate vote?

The GOP will win the white house in 2016, the GOP will control the senate and house in 2015. Obama has failed, liberalism has failed. The american people know it and are fed up.

BTW, obama is responsible for what happens during his reign, as are all presidents.

It's a fact that every piece of proposed legislation from the House has some sort of poison pill contained in the proposal and the Repubs in the House KNOW that Harry isn't gonna bring it up. Because of the stupidity contained in the Repub proposal.

To bad that you are so stupid that YOU believe that Repubs have your interest in mind.
At least Harry knows the truth. Repubs are just posturing for people like you. So you can blame anyone else for Repub failures, except Repubs.

Amazingly, it works every time on people like you. It's Harrys fault. It's Obama's fault. Isn't that what you just said? See, it's working.

Do you really believe that the democrats have your best interests in mind?

Well no. At least no me personally. However I do believe that Dems serve different masters that Republicans. And the Democrat masters don't get mad if EVERY SINGLE LITTLE ******* THING their way.

The there is the little problem of the fact that I have always done better financially under Democrats than Republicans. That last little financial disaster under Repubs really hurt me.

I do like the idea, whether it be lip service or not, that the Dems are willing to make harder decisions that more people won't like to protect the air, land and sea.

I do appreciate that the Dems aren't willing the trust the free market to deliver products that won't harm me and mine.

And I hate hypocrites and liars. And from what I've seen, read and heard from Republican politicians and media mouthpieces, hypocrites and liars are what they are.

And I really hated the Iraq War and torture as a means of interrogation.

So yea, I guess I do think the Democrats have more of my interests in mind than the Republicans do.

But thanks for asking.

 

[Dad2three]

The "tax cut trickle down" obviously failed. How about we streamline the tax code, reduce for businesses but eliminate loopholes. Drop the business tax a few percent/poor peeps still don't have to pay (cause they r broke duh). Win/win, kill the loopholes, keep the same or close cash coming in.

While your ideas seem to have merit for the middle and the poorer, why would the ultra wealthy want to change ANYTHING about the way things are currently being done?

The ultra wealthy have never had it so good. They have had the "trickle down" of QE to make money with. Great tax rates and an entire Republican party looking out for their interests.
Why change a thing?

It's amazing how many poor pathetic souls are out there that actually believe the propaganda the democrats spew about having their backs and how they 'care' about them, while the republicans are all for the 'rich guy'. I wonder if you realize how naive and stupid you look when you make a remark like that?

Name ONE tax increase the GOPers DIDN'T fight the past 25 years?

(Hint it was the payroll tax holiday that mainly benefits the bottom 90% of US)...

 

[Newby]

You can do that in Mexico and Somalia too. Try it there some time!

Why would I do that?

This is the best place to do it.

Get on it.

.

Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

Who's we? Obviously you're a government paid sloth living off of the tax payer dime, so you wouldn't understand the concept of ambition and wanting to have your own company. Why should everyone else pay because you're envious of every one else's ambition and success?

 

[Dad2three]

WTF is it your business what CEOs get paid?

"The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do"

So what are you going to teach your three children? They should never aspire to great heights or have any ambitions to be financially successful?

My kids are grown, I've taught them Gov't policy MATTERS, unlike the myth right wingers push of pulling oneself up by their own bootstraps crap!

 

[Newby]

Why would I do that?

This is the best place to do it.

Get on it.

.

Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

Well, at least you're honest.

Sure beats putting out the effort to improve your own life.

Just take it.

.

Exactly! They've make black be white and white be black. Once upon a time it was good to be successful and bad to have to live off of the charity of others, now they've completely turned that around and you're evil if you're successful and celebrated if you need the government hand out, cause you're an easy vote.