To Conservatives: What drives the economy?

[Dad2three]

Why would I do that?

This is the best place to do it.

Get on it.

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Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

Who's we? Obviously you're a government paid sloth living off of the tax payer dime, so you wouldn't understand the concept of ambition and wanting to have your own company. Why should everyone else pay because you're envious of every one else's ambition and success?

We are those that vote dummy

EVERYTHING else you posit is common right wing garbage

Why does the US rank behind most every Western European nation on mobility?

 

[Newby]

"The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do"

So what are you going to teach your three children? They should never aspire to great heights or have any ambitions to be financially successful?

My kids are grown, I've taught them Gov't policy MATTERS, unlike the myth right wingers push of pulling oneself up by their own bootstraps crap!

So they're sloths like you? Let's hope they've since learned the world doesn't owe them a damn thing.

 

[Dad2three]

So you're implying that every position in a corporation is equally important, equally responsible for the health of the corporation and all should be equally compensated? If not, exactly what does your model look like, and what incentive are you offering to those who are taking the heavy load of running corporation if not money?

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs



CEOs like to justify their sky-high pay by saying it rewards their work in steering companies toward better performance. But a new analysis doesn’t give much evidence to back that up.

Equilar, an executive compensation consultancy, compared the salaries of 200 highly paid CEOs to their companies’ performance based on things like profitability, revenue, and stock return. Rather than showing a clear trend line linking pay and performance, the data is scattered. In fact, chief executive pay is only 1 percent based on stock performance, with 99 percent based on other things entirely.

Here’s how it looks when Equilar compared stock return to CEO pay for 200 CEOs:

As Bloomberg Businessweek notes, “The comparison makes it look as if there is zero relationship between pay and performance.”

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs | ThinkProgress


The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do


The companies that pay their chief executives the most see the worst results for shareholders, according to a new study, with an average annual shareholder loss of $1.4 billion at the companies with the highest CEO pay.

Exorbitant CEO compensation packages breed overconfidence,
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The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do

So all that bullshit you posted is basically a 'yes', so you're completely unaware of the repercussions that would have if actually put into effect? Which makes sense, because progressives never care about consequences, they always lie and obfuscate to be sure someone else is blamed for the consequences of their policies.

So what's the max a CEO should be compensated?

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Weird how GOP policy ALWAYS fails the past 35 years for all but the 1%ers but it's the Dems fault

 

[Mac1958]

Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

Well, at least you're honest.

Sure beats putting out the effort to improve your own life.

Just take it.

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Exactly! They've make black be white and white be black. Once upon a time it was good to be successful and bad to have to live off of the charity of others, now they've completely turned that around and you're evil if you're successful and celebrated if you need the government hand out, cause you're an easy vote.

They'll ***** and moan, they'll tell you that you didn't build that, that you didn't earn that, but they're not so quick to do what it takes to get there on their own.

How easy that must be.

.

 

[Dad2three]

So what are you going to teach your three children? They should never aspire to great heights or have any ambitions to be financially successful?

My kids are grown, I've taught them Gov't policy MATTERS, unlike the myth right wingers push of pulling oneself up by their own bootstraps crap!

So they're sloths like you? Let's hope they've since learned the world doesn't owe them a damn thing.

Yes, unlike conservatives they use their brains and recognize Gov't policy matters...

 

[Newby]

Sure, and WE can decide to take revenues from you AND regulate your Biz in OUR society too

Who's we? Obviously you're a government paid sloth living off of the tax payer dime, so you wouldn't understand the concept of ambition and wanting to have your own company. Why should everyone else pay because you're envious of every one else's ambition and success?

We are those that vote dummy

EVERYTHING else you posit is common right wing garbage

Why does the US rank behind most every Western European nation on mobility?

I vote, and I'm clearly and (thank God!) not a part of your 'we', I work for a living and I don't envy and covet what the successful have earned. I'm not riddled with jealousy and bitterness over what others have as you appear to be. My parents taught me to support myself, rely on myself, and not expect hand outs, that I had to work hard for what I wanted.

Are you talking about the western Europe whose economy is floundering, except for Germany perhaps?

 

[Dad2three]

Well, at least you're honest.

Sure beats putting out the effort to improve your own life.

Just take it.

.

Exactly! They've make black be white and white be black. Once upon a time it was good to be successful and bad to have to live off of the charity of others, now they've completely turned that around and you're evil if you're successful and celebrated if you need the government hand out, cause you're an easy vote.

They'll ***** and moan, they'll tell you that you didn't build that, that you didn't earn that, but they're not so quick to do what it takes to get there on their own.

How easy that must be.

.

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis

The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

 

[hazlnut]

What drives our economy? Consumer spending or business investment?

If you think consumer spending drives the economy, what would be wrong about putting more disposable income into the hands of the middle class and the poor?

If it's business investment, what would be wrong about making adjustments to the tax code that would discourage outsourcing and off shore tax shelters? Shouldn't American business investment be made in, I don't know, maybe America?

Here's the thing, what drives the capital gains economy….??? that's why high-ranking (rich) conservatives manipulate the flock of sheep to vote GOP / TP. They are pawns in a rich man's game.

 

[Newby]

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs



CEOs like to justify their sky-high pay by saying it rewards their work in steering companies toward better performance. But a new analysis doesn’t give much evidence to back that up.

Equilar, an executive compensation consultancy, compared the salaries of 200 highly paid CEOs to their companies’ performance based on things like profitability, revenue, and stock return. Rather than showing a clear trend line linking pay and performance, the data is scattered. In fact, chief executive pay is only 1 percent based on stock performance, with 99 percent based on other things entirely.

Here’s how it looks when Equilar compared stock return to CEO pay for 200 CEOs:

As Bloomberg Businessweek notes, “The comparison makes it look as if there is zero relationship between pay and performance.”

Lavish CEO Pay Has Virtually Nothing To Do With How Well A Company Performs | ThinkProgress


The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do


The companies that pay their chief executives the most see the worst results for shareholders, according to a new study, with an average annual shareholder loss of $1.4 billion at the companies with the highest CEO pay.

Exorbitant CEO compensation packages breed overconfidence,
\

The More A Company Pays Its CEO, The Worse Its Shareholders Do

So all that bullshit you posted is basically a 'yes', so you're completely unaware of the repercussions that would have if actually put into effect? Which makes sense, because progressives never care about consequences, they always lie and obfuscate to be sure someone else is blamed for the consequences of their policies.

So what's the max a CEO should be compensated?

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Weird how GOP policy ALWAYS fails the past 35 years for all but the 1%ers but it's the Dems fault

Were you perhaps responding to another post? Cause your answer has absolutely nothing to do with my post that you quoted?

How does corporate compensation work in your fantasy world? Break it down and explain the pros of your solution. What should a CEO earn?

 

[Mac1958]

Exactly! They've make black be white and white be black. Once upon a time it was good to be successful and bad to have to live off of the charity of others, now they've completely turned that around and you're evil if you're successful and celebrated if you need the government hand out, cause you're an easy vote.

They'll ***** and moan, they'll tell you that you didn't build that, that you didn't earn that, but they're not so quick to do what it takes to get there on their own.

How easy that must be.

.

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis

The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Transparent and predictable deflection noted.

.

 

[Dad2three]

Who's we? Obviously you're a government paid sloth living off of the tax payer dime, so you wouldn't understand the concept of ambition and wanting to have your own company. Why should everyone else pay because you're envious of every one else's ambition and success?

We are those that vote dummy

EVERYTHING else you posit is common right wing garbage

Why does the US rank behind most every Western European nation on mobility?

I vote, and I'm clearly and (thank God!) not a part of your 'we', I work for a living and I don't envy and covet what the successful have earned. I'm not riddled with jealousy and bitterness over what others have as you appear to be. My parents taught me to support myself, rely on myself, and not expect hand outs, that I had to work hard for what I wanted.

Are you talking about the western Europe whose economy is floundering, except for Germany perhaps?

FALSE PREMISES, DISTORTIONS AND LIES, the ONLY thing conservatives EVER have in their toolbox

Yes, Western Europe just crumbled *shaking head*


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

 

[Dad2three]

They'll ***** and moan, they'll tell you that you didn't build that, that you didn't earn that, but they're not so quick to do what it takes to get there on their own.

How easy that must be.

.

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis

The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Transparent and predictable deflection noted.

.

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?

 

[NLT]

What drives our economy? Consumer spending or business investment?

If you think consumer spending drives the economy, what would be wrong about putting more disposable income into the hands of the middle class and the poor?

If it's business investment, what would be wrong about making adjustments to the tax code that would discourage outsourcing and off shore tax shelters? Shouldn't American business investment be made in, I don't know, maybe America?

Here's the thing, what drives the capital gains economy….??? that's why high-ranking (rich) conservatives manipulate the flock of sheep to vote GOP / TP. They are pawns in a rich man's game.

hush bodey

 

[Dad2three]

So all that bullshit you posted is basically a 'yes', so you're completely unaware of the repercussions that would have if actually put into effect? Which makes sense, because progressives never care about consequences, they always lie and obfuscate to be sure someone else is blamed for the consequences of their policies.

So what's the max a CEO should be compensated?

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Weird how GOP policy ALWAYS fails the past 35 years for all but the 1%ers but it's the Dems fault

Were you perhaps responding to another post? Cause your answer has absolutely nothing to do with my post that you quoted?

How does corporate compensation work in your fantasy world? Break it down and explain the pros of your solution. What should a CEO earn?

Conservative policy NEVER works as promised, ANYWHERE it's ever tried. Weird you don't know that

 

[Mac1958]

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis

The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Transparent and predictable deflection noted.

.

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?

First of all, I'm not a conservative and I'd be a lousy representative for them.

Second, I know how partisan ideologues work. No matter what evidence is presented, you'll say it's not good enough. I've been down this road many times here, so please play your little games with someone else.

You continue to divert. If you're not capable of starting your own business, just admit it and keep blaming others. You don't have the guts and the ability to take the risks and make the sacrifices required. Just be honest. It's not like anyone here would be surprised.

Whatever makes you "feel" a little better about yourself.

.

 

[Newby]

It's a fact that every piece of proposed legislation from the House has some sort of poison pill contained in the proposal and the Repubs in the House KNOW that Harry isn't gonna bring it up. Because of the stupidity contained in the Repub proposal.

To bad that you are so stupid that YOU believe that Repubs have your interest in mind.
At least Harry knows the truth. Repubs are just posturing for people like you. So you can blame anyone else for Repub failures, except Repubs.

Amazingly, it works every time on people like you. It's Harrys fault. It's Obama's fault. Isn't that what you just said? See, it's working.

Do you really believe that the democrats have your best interests in mind?

Well no. At least no me personally. However I do believe that Dems serve different masters that Republicans. And the Democrat masters don't get mad if EVERY SINGLE LITTLE ******* THING their way.

What masters do the dems serve? Not the rich? They're not wealthier or as wealthy regarding personal holding as the republicans?

Can you name one thing they've done that's personally benefited you?

The there is the little problem of the fact that I have always done better financially under Democrats than Republicans. That last little financial disaster under Repubs really hurt me.

So it's all about you? Quite the opposite for me, with the exception of Clinton, but he didn't control congress, so he doesn't count.

I do like the idea, whether it be lip service or not, that the Dems are willing to make harder decisions that more people won't like to protect the air, land and sea.

Such as? And in those examples you provide, assure us that there isn't some way they benefited personally from those policies.

I do appreciate that the Dems aren't willing the trust the free market to deliver products that won't harm me and mine.

So you believe the repubs would just let anyone do what they want in the so called 'free market' without repercussion or regulation? You really believe that?

And I hate hypocrites and liars. And from what I've seen, read and heard from Republican politicians and media mouthpieces, hypocrites and liars are what they are.

That's just blatant partisanship right there, no objectivity at all on your part.

And I really hated the Iraq War and torture as a means of interrogation.

Yet your democratic congress approved it.

So yea, I guess I do think the Democrats have more of my interests in mind than the Republicans do.

But thanks for asking.

But you still haven't listed anything tangible that shows this, and if you really do believe that, then you're a naive fool who's been handed a piece of candy from those holding the entire jar, and went away with a smile on your face and a pat on the head happy with your little bauble. If you think any of them in Washington have your best interests at heart, you are to be pitied.

 

[Newby]

We are those that vote dummy

EVERYTHING else you posit is common right wing garbage

Why does the US rank behind most every Western European nation on mobility?

I vote, and I'm clearly and (thank God!) not a part of your 'we', I work for a living and I don't envy and covet what the successful have earned. I'm not riddled with jealousy and bitterness over what others have as you appear to be. My parents taught me to support myself, rely on myself, and not expect hand outs, that I had to work hard for what I wanted.

Are you talking about the western Europe whose economy is floundering, except for Germany perhaps?

FALSE PREMISES, DISTORTIONS AND LIES, the ONLY thing conservatives EVER have in their toolbox

Yes, Western Europe just crumbled *shaking head*


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Which part was a lie? Are you coherent and capable of a conversation, or are you just a cut and paste troll who has no opinion of their own, so I should just ignore you?

 

[Newby]

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?


Weird how GOP policy ALWAYS fails the past 35 years for all but the 1%ers but it's the Dems fault

Were you perhaps responding to another post? Cause your answer has absolutely nothing to do with my post that you quoted?

How does corporate compensation work in your fantasy world? Break it down and explain the pros of your solution. What should a CEO earn?

Conservative policy NEVER works as promised, ANYWHERE it's ever tried. Weird you don't know that

Hello? Is there anyone at home upstairs? Or can't you answer my question? I'm not talking about conservative policy, so if you're not going to address my post, don't quote it.

Tell us how coroporate compensation should work? And what should a CEO earn?

 

[Newby]

Transparent and predictable deflection noted.

.

PLEASE give me ONE policy EVER conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US?

First of all, I'm not a conservative and I'd be a lousy representative for them.

Second, I know how partisan ideologues work. No matter what evidence is presented, you'll say it's not good enough. I've been down this road many times here, so please play your little games with someone else.

You continue to divert. If you're not capable of starting your own business, just admit it and keep blaming others. You don't have the guts and the ability to take the risks and make the sacrifices required. Just be honest. It's not like anyone here would be surprised.

Whatever makes you "feel" a little better about yourself.

.

He's another of the many 'cut and paste' trolls on this board, like we needed any more of them.

 

[Dad2three]

Do you really believe that the democrats have your best interests in mind?

Well no. At least no me personally. However I do believe that Dems serve different masters that Republicans. And the Democrat masters don't get mad if EVERY SINGLE LITTLE ******* THING their way.

What masters do the dems serve? Not the rich? They're not wealthier or as wealthy regarding personal holding as the republicans?

Can you name one thing they've done that's personally benefited you?



So it's all about you? Quite the opposite for me, with the exception of Clinton, but he didn't control congress, so he doesn't count.



Such as? And in those examples you provide, assure us that there isn't some way they benefited personally from those policies.



So you believe the repubs would just let anyone do what they want in the so called 'free market' without repercussion or regulation? You really believe that?



That's just blatant partisanship right there, no objectivity at all on your part.

And I really hated the Iraq War and torture as a means of interrogation.

Yet your democratic congress approved it.

So yea, I guess I do think the Democrats have more of my interests in mind than the Republicans do.

But thanks for asking.

But you still haven't listed anything tangible that shows this, and if you really do believe that, then you're a naive fool who's been handed a piece of candy from those holding the entire jar, and went away with a smile on your face and a pat on the head happy with your little bauble. If you think any of them in Washington have your best interests at heart, you are to be pitied.

" Yet your democratic congress approved it."

Better check how Gov't works Bubba

BTW, 60% of Dems voted against Dubya's war of choice