Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[WelfareQueen]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

There were 500,000 slaves in the North at the start of the Civil War. If that is minimal to you than you are even more of a racist Dim than I thought.

The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South. In did not free slaves in the North. Look it up. There were slaves serving the in New Jersey Governors mansion throughout the Civil War.

In fact, technically the slaves in the North were not freed until 1867. So do not get on a high horse about how great the North was. In many ways they were just as much involved in the slave trade as the South.

 

[Bush92]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

So you hate the Ancient Egyptian's, Greeks, and Roman's? They all practiced slavery. What about Native Americans, they too practiced slavery. Then surely you must hate the Dutch, English, Spanish, and Portuguese because all those nation's practiced slavery as well.

We don’t have any forts named after Ancient Egyptians, Greeks or Romans

But the basis of your argument to change the names was based on slavery in the antebellum South and these men fighting to defend their homeland from invasion by the federal government.

Sounds like you are practicing revisionist history that was taught in the south up until 1944 in the public schools. And it's still taught in many southern white homes. Remember it wasn't the North that fired the first shot. You are angry that the North fired the last shot. You want to attack the United States and raise an army to continue, expect that last shot to be fired. Just not by you.

So you support leftist groups like Antifa and BLM in their call to overthrow United States government? Didn't you support every effort by the left to overturn a free and fair election held in 2016 and remove the legitimate President of the United States of America from power? Didn't the Confederacy begin shortly after Lincoln was elected and he didn't win a single southern state but yet had Electoral College because North had 71% of the population thus had more members of Congress? You leftist hate Trump like southerners hated Lincoln. Boy, the comparison between the leftist of 2020 and southern separatist of 1861 is uncanny.

 

[Scamp]

What about the 12 US Presidents who were slave owners, shouldn't we tear down their monuments, and rename any town, or city, or street, or base, named after them? And some of them are on our money, shouldn't we take them off the money?

 

[Scamp]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

There were 500,000 slaves in the North at the start of the Civil War. If that is minimal to you than you are even more of a racist Dim than I thought.

The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South. In did not free slaves in the North. Look it up. There were slaves serving the in New Jersey Governors mansion throughout the Civil War.

In fact, technically the slaves in the North were not freed until 1867. So do not get on a high horse about how great the North was. In many ways they were just as much involved in the slave trade as the South.

Good point about New Jersey, they still had slavery when the Civil War ended. And they first voted NO to the 13th Amendment to free the slaves. NJ did not free their slaves until forced to with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.
But slavery in NJ is covered up.

 

[Scamp]

Why didn't the Union free their slaves before they invaded the South?

 

[gipper]

Why didn't the Union free their slaves before they invaded the South?

Good question. Why did Lincoln only free slaves in the confederacy with the EP, where it couldn’t be enforced?

 

[Bush92]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

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Their right to maintain an agra

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

Socialist Carl Sandburg rewrote history when he published his twisted biography of Abraham Lincoln stating that Lincoln thought the war was about slavery. BTW their is a Ft. Sheridan dummy.

The war WAS about slavery, dummy

Not according to Lincoln.


"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. "
- Abraham Lincoln 1862 letter to Horace Greeley

Lincoln was a politician and a pragmatist.
Lincoln was personally vehemently against slavery. But he understood, saving the Union was paramount.

Southern States cherished their slave institutions so much that they would rather destroy the nation than give up their slaves

Doesn't sound very "vehement" to me. That's all a revisionist history lie. If he wasn't assassinated Radical Republicans would have impeached him because he was opposed to their plans for Reconstruction. Radicals wanted to turn South into Republican stronghold, usurp democracy there, and pillage the wealth of the South.

Lincoln wanted to save the Union first and foremost. Slavery would be dealt with in due time.

The war was always about slavery. The southern states withdrew because they thought the institution of slavery was threatened and were more loyal to owning slaves than they were to belonging to the United States

They withdrew from the contract of Union because they felt that had every right to do so. Nullification as cited by Madison and Jefferson in the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions. Also, southerners felt their culture and society was civilized as compared to the polluted industrial disease ridden slums that had high crime rates and large numbers of foreigners, especially Catholics. The Confederate Battle Flag background is not red, like most you can buy today, but instead orange, signaling their support of Protestantism by paying homage to the Dutch King William of Orange. He would become British King William III and defeat the former Catholic King James the II at the Battle of Boyne when James traveled from France to reclaim his throne. Hence the "Orange Order" that is still alive and well to on the British Isles and March through Catholic neighborhoods each July on the anniversary of the battle.

Um......In all that dirge, you fail to mention they withdrew from the Union because of the threat to slavery. They formed a confederacy to ensure slavery would exist forever.

Slavery was more important than belonging to the United States.

Their right to maintain an agrarian plantation cash crop society without tariffs to protect northern industry was important to them. They considered their property rights to slavery as well. In their opinions the northern abolitionist talk of ending slavery was cruel. It was their Christian duty to provide clothing, medical care, and shelter for the helpless slaves. In their opinions if slaves were freed they could not provide for themselves. Many slaves were freedmen and had their own businesses and some owned slaves of their own. In North Carolina on New Years Day slaves were allowed to request to change owners and work on a different farm or in a different home.

 

[Bush92]

Why didn't the Union free their slaves before they invaded the South?

Exactly. Delaware allowed slavery until 13th Amendment.

 

[Bush92]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

They are American bases named after Americans by Americans. Why do you care what they are named? How is their name any of your business?

They are American bases, paid by taxpayers, honoring men who abandoned their country and took up arms against it.

I care because I would rather my tax dollars honor those who are more deserving.

 

[wamose]

Renaming forts and tearing down statues is really stupid. It proves nothing. It's too bad that this is all Democrats can think to do to make our country better. Dems are some seriously useless people. Dumb too.

 

[Bush92]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

They are American bases named after Americans by Americans. Why do you care what they are named? How is their name any of your business?

They are American bases, paid by taxpayers, honoring men who abandoned their country and took up arms against it.

I care because I would rather my tax dollars honor those who are more deserving.

I don't want my tax dollars to support propaganda wing of Democratic Party PBS , urban welfare abusers, or Planned Parenthood.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

Socialist Carl Sandburg rewrote history when he published his twisted biography of Abraham Lincoln stating that Lincoln thought the war was about slavery. BTW their is a Ft. Sheridan dummy.

The war WAS about slavery, dummy

Not according to Lincoln.


"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. "
- Abraham Lincoln 1862 letter to Horace Greeley

Lincoln was a politician and a pragmatist.
Lincoln was personally vehemently against slavery. But he understood, saving the Union was paramount.

Southern States cherished their slave institutions so much that they would rather destroy the nation than give up their slaves

Doesn't sound very "vehement" to me. That's all a revisionist history lie. If he wasn't assassinated Radical Republicans would have impeached him because he was opposed to their plans for Reconstruction. Radicals wanted to turn South into Republican stronghold, usurp democracy there, and pillage the wealth of the South.

Lincoln wanted to save the Union first and foremost. Slavery would be dealt with in due time.

The war was always about slavery. The southern states withdrew because they thought the institution of slavery was threatened and were more loyal to owning slaves than they were to belonging to the United States

They withdrew from the contract of Union because they felt that had every right to do so. Nullification as cited by Madison and Jefferson in the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions. Also, southerners felt their culture and society was civilized as compared to the polluted industrial disease ridden slums that had high crime rates and large numbers of foreigners, especially Catholics. The Confederate Battle Flag background is not red, like most you can buy today, but instead orange, signaling their support of Protestantism by paying homage to the Dutch King William of Orange. He would become British King William III and defeat the former Catholic King James the II at the Battle of Boyne when James traveled from France to reclaim his throne. Hence the "Orange Order" that is still alive and well to on the British Isles and March through Catholic neighborhoods each July on the anniversary of the battle.

And yet, every "Southerner" was the direct offspring of no less than 2 generations. Part of my Family was in the Carolinas and did 5 years of Servitude. Just across the river was another part of my "Family" that was here since about 12,

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

So you hate the Ancient Egyptian's, Greeks, and Roman's? They all practiced slavery. What about Native Americans, they too practiced slavery. Then surely you must hate the Dutch, English, Spanish, and Portuguese because all those nation's practiced slavery as well.

We don’t have any forts named after Ancient Egyptians, Greeks or Romans

But the basis of your argument to change the names was based on slavery in the antebellum South and these men fighting to defend their homeland from invasion by the federal government.

Sounds like you are practicing revisionist history that was taught in the south up until 1944 in the public schools. And it's still taught in many southern white homes. Remember it wasn't the North that fired the first shot. You are angry that the North fired the last shot. You want to attack the United States and raise an army to continue, expect that last shot to be fired. Just not by you.

So you support leftist groups like Antifa and BLM in their call to overthrow United States government? Didn't you support every effort by the left to overturn a free and fair election held in 2016 and remove the legitimate President of the United States of America from power? Didn't the Confederacy begin shortly after Lincoln was elected and he didn't win a single southern state but yet had Electoral College because North had 71% of the population thus had more members of Congress? You leftist hate Trump like southerners hated Lincoln. Boy, the comparison between the leftist of 2020 and southern separatist of 1861 is uncanny.

Why, because you says so? You tell me who and what I support. Hell, even I don't every Who and What I support. I would have think that one and it would be case by case.

As for hating Rump as much as the south hated Lincoln, not hardly. We aren't nearly as radical as that looking for the solutions they did. Besides, Rump only does private showings of movies so that kills that idea.

 

[9thIDdoc]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

They are American bases named after Americans by Americans. Why do you care what they are named? How is their name any of your business?

They are American bases, paid by taxpayers, honoring men who abandoned their country and took up arms against it.

I care because I would rather my tax dollars honor those who are more deserving.

Were you paying taxes when those bases were named and do you claim that you are more qualified to determine who is honored and who isn't? If so, list your qualifications. If not STFU.

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

There were 500,000 slaves in the North at the start of the Civil War. If that is minimal to you than you are even more of a racist Dim than I thought.

The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South. In did not free slaves in the North. Look it up. There were slaves serving the in New Jersey Governors mansion throughout the Civil War.

In fact, technically the slaves in the North were not freed until 1867. So do not get on a high horse about how great the North was. In many ways they were just as much involved in the slave trade as the South.

3.5 million in the South

Like I said, primarily in border states of Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri . Not in large percentages like in the Southern States

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

They are American bases named after Americans by Americans. Why do you care what they are named? How is their name any of your business?

They are American bases, paid by taxpayers, honoring men who abandoned their country and took up arms against it.

I care because I would rather my tax dollars honor those who are more deserving.

Were you paying taxes when those bases were named and do you claim that you are more qualified to determine who is honored and who isn't? If so, list your qualifications. If not STFU.

I am paying taxes now, and my qualification is.....I vote.
Those bases were named to soothe the propaganda coming out of the Lost Cause movement which tried to legitimize the Confederacy. No reason to continue the charade.

 

[rightwinger]

Renaming forts and tearing down statues is really stupid. It proves nothing. It's too bad that this is all Democrats can think to do to make our country better. Dems are some seriously useless people. Dumb too.

It corrects past wrongs

 

[rightwinger]

What about the 12 US Presidents who were slave owners, shouldn't we tear down their monuments, and rename any town, or city, or street, or base, named after them? And some of them are on our money, shouldn't we take them off the money?

Did any of those 12 take up arms against our nation to ensure they could keep owning slaves?

 

[9thIDdoc]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

So you hate the Ancient Egyptian's, Greeks, and Roman's? They all practiced slavery. What about Native Americans, they too practiced slavery. Then surely you must hate the Dutch, English, Spanish, and Portuguese because all those nation's practiced slavery as well.

We don’t have any forts named after Ancient Egyptians, Greeks or Romans

But the basis of your argument to change the names was based on slavery in the antebellum South and these men fighting to defend their homeland from invasion by the federal government.

You keep dancing around the reason for forming the Confederacy........to ensure that slavery would exist in their nation forever. They wrote a Constitution to ensure it.

Defending their “homeland” was defending slavery

So? Abolishing it at that time would have been an economic disaster that would have bankrupted the South which meant a very bleak future including the widespread possibility of starvation for all including the very former slaves the North claimed it was trying to help. Many in the South thought the goal of the North was to impoverish the South rather than help the slave. The result was thousands of uneducated starving unemployed homeless blacks and whites together and seems to support that thought. Who wouldn't defend home and family against disaster?

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

There were 500,000 slaves in the North at the start of the Civil War. If that is minimal to you than you are even more of a racist Dim than I thought.

The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South. In did not free slaves in the North. Look it up. There were slaves serving the in New Jersey Governors mansion throughout the Civil War.

In fact, technically the slaves in the North were not freed until 1867. So do not get on a high horse about how great the North was. In many ways they were just as much involved in the slave trade as the South.

Good point about New Jersey, they still had slavery when the Civil War ended. And they first voted NO to the 13th Amendment to free the slaves. NJ did not free their slaves until forced to with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.
But slavery in NJ is covered up.

NJ had no slaves in 1860

1860 United States census - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

Cut the nonsense

<sob> But, but....the North had slaves too!

There was minimal slavery in northern states, mostly border states where the stench of slavery had leached over.

So you hate the Ancient Egyptian's, Greeks, and Roman's? They all practiced slavery. What about Native Americans, they too practiced slavery. Then surely you must hate the Dutch, English, Spanish, and Portuguese because all those nation's practiced slavery as well.

We don’t have any forts named after Ancient Egyptians, Greeks or Romans

But the basis of your argument to change the names was based on slavery in the antebellum South and these men fighting to defend their homeland from invasion by the federal government.

You keep dancing around the reason for forming the Confederacy........to ensure that slavery would exist in their nation forever. They wrote a Constitution to ensure it.

Defending their “homeland” was defending slavery

So? Abolishing it at that time would have been an economic disaster that would have bankrupted the South which meant a very bleak future including the widespread possibility of starvation for all including the very former slaves the North claimed it was trying to help. Many in the South thought the goal of the North was to impoverish the South rather than help the slave. The result was thousands of uneducated starving unemployed homeless blacks and whites together and seems to support that thought. Who wouldn't defend home and family against disaster?

The fun part was that Lincoln did not have the power or inclination to abolish slavery. He wanted to stop the spread into new territories.

Slavery would have eventually been phased out in the next 20 years with slave owners receiving some compensation for their lost “property”

But by leaving the union and attacking US property, the Confederacy brought the end of slavery in four years.