Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[Silver Cat]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

Do you really believe that freedom of any human being can't be restrained? Even if this being is criminal, or too young, or too stupid, or dangerous to other people?

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

Do you really believe that freedom of any human being can't be restrained? Even if this being is criminal, or too young, or too stupid, or dangerous to other people?

No....I believe slavery to be the worst kind of tyranny

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

Fort Grant was in Arizona. Fort Sherman was in Idaho. Fort Sheridan was north of Chicago.

 

[Scamp]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

 

[Silver Cat]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

Do you really believe that freedom of any human being can't be restrained? Even if this being is criminal, or too young, or too stupid, or dangerous to other people?

No....I believe slavery to be the worst kind of tyranny

Freedom of one man, means restriction of freedom for others. Freedom to buy, sell and use slaves is a kind of freedom, too. Buy the way, slave-trading in Ghaddafi's Libya was punished by death, nowadays it is almost legal and slaves are rather cheap.

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

Do you really believe that freedom of any human being can't be restrained? Even if this being is criminal, or too young, or too stupid, or dangerous to other people?

No....I believe slavery to be the worst kind of tyranny

Freedom of one man, means restriction of freedom for others. Freedom to buy, sell and use slaves is a kind of freedom, too. Buy the way, slave-trading in Ghaddafi's Libya was punished by death, nowadays it is almost legal and slaves are rather cheap.

I think your Google is broken.
Freedom for one is freedom for all

 

[Scamp]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

 

[Scamp]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Defending ones sacred lands and homes from an invasion sent by a Tyrant is more honorable than invading your neighbor because a Tyrant said so.

Defending the right to keep other human beings as slaves is the ultimate tyranny

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.
The USA had slavery for 89 years.

Sounds like a valid point......

But we are talking about the same assholes in the South owning slaves in both cases

Northern schools teach you that?

It’s a fact
Same assholes forced slavery into the United States, forced slavery into new territories and created a slave Confederacy

So you are OK with the USA having slavery but not the Confederacy. Double standards.

Like I said, it was the same group of southerners forcing slavery on the rest of the country.

Slavery was a southern institution

They had slavery in the North for 200 years dating back to the Colonial period, and they still had slavery in the North after the Civil War was over, and all the Confederate slaves were free. But Yankees dont teach true history.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That is historically untrue
Those forts were not named in the spirit of reconciliation
They were established in the time period 1920-1944 over fifty years after the wars end

And that was a time when the Daughters of the Confederacy were the strongest. And they were a defacto auxillary to the KKK. But that is now what many would think today. If you read the history books in the schools of the North and the West versus the South, you would see stark differences. During the time period from 1894 to 1944, the public schools in the south were very much involved in teaching white supremacy. I seriously doubt that any of the black schools in the south had the same history books. Here is a very good article on this. Careful, some of you aren't going to like and will probably want to destroy your phones and monitors.

https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04...nfederate-propaganda-ended-souths-schoolbooks

History has been somewhat rewritten. The fact remains, the war WAS about slavery. And yes, it's was about economics. Slavery was a huge business in the South. They wanted to bring in other states so they could export their "Product". Imagine the economic boom that would cause. The North had control of Congress and blocked it every step. This was the real cause of the Civil War. All the other things said are just plain crap manufactured as justification for evil acts of "Enterprising" Business people and the Daughters of the Confederacy.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

That is historically untrue
Those forts were not named in the spirit of reconciliation
They were established in the time period 1920-1944 over fifty years after the wars end

And that was a time when the Daughters of the Confederacy were the strongest. And they were a defacto auxillary to the KKK. But that is now what many would think today. If you read the history books in the schools of the North and the West versus the South, you would see stark differences. During the time period from 1894 to 1944, the public schools in the south were very much involved in teaching white supremacy. I seriously doubt that any of the black schools in the south had the same history books. Here is a very good article on this. Careful, some of you aren't going to like and will probably want to destroy your phones and monitors.

TWISTED SOURCES: How Confederate propaganda ended up in the South's schoolbooks

History has been somewhat rewritten. The fact remains, the war WAS about slavery. And yes, it's was about economics. Slavery was a huge business in the South. They wanted to bring in other states so they could export their "Product". Imagine the economic boom that would cause. The North had control of Congress and blocked it every step. This was the real cause of the Civil War. All the other things said are just plain crap manufactured as justification for evil acts of "Enterprising" Business people and the Daughters of the Confederacy.

The naming of forts was certainly not done in a spirit of racial reconciliation, nor with any attempt to deal honesty with the main issue that had led to the war, namely slavery, nor with the unfinished tasks of Reconstruction. If it had been there would surely be a “Fort Longstreet,” after Robert E. Lee’s best general and closest aide, who famously worked with Union forces after the war in genuine Reconstruction efforts in New Orleans, protecting basic black citizenship rights, and being shot for his efforts.

What “reconciliation” occurred was between an increasingly racist North & West and the Jim Crow South at the expense of African American rights. This was at the time the racist movie “Birth of a Nation” was specially featured at the White House before Southern “liberal” Woodrow Wilson; a time when the KKK was rebirthing as a powerful national organization with unprecedented influence and membership in Washington D.C.; when pro-imperialist “scientific racism” and a powerful eugenics movement was fashionable throughout the Anglo-American world. The “Dunning School” of Civil War historiography was the principal center for high academic promotion of “Lost Cause” apologetics — based at Columbia University in New York City. Princeton University had been run by “progressive” Democrat (and racist) Woodrow Wilson before his entry into politics.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

And members of the military will tell you to go pound sand.

Let’s hear from them

Ft Polk or Ft Patton?

I like Fort Azog. Don’t be an Orc hater.

 

[Silver Cat]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

And members of the military will tell you to go pound sand.

Let’s hear from them

Ft Polk or Ft Patton?

I like Fort Azog. Don’t be an Orc hater.

Ash Nazg!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That is historically untrue
Those forts were not named in the spirit of reconciliation
They were established in the time period 1920-1944 over fifty years after the wars end

And that was a time when the Daughters of the Confederacy were the strongest. And they were a defacto auxillary to the KKK. But that is now what many would think today. If you read the history books in the schools of the North and the West versus the South, you would see stark differences. During the time period from 1894 to 1944, the public schools in the south were very much involved in teaching white supremacy. I seriously doubt that any of the black schools in the south had the same history books. Here is a very good article on this. Careful, some of you aren't going to like and will probably want to destroy your phones and monitors.

TWISTED SOURCES: How Confederate propaganda ended up in the South's schoolbooks

History has been somewhat rewritten. The fact remains, the war WAS about slavery. And yes, it's was about economics. Slavery was a huge business in the South. They wanted to bring in other states so they could export their "Product". Imagine the economic boom that would cause. The North had control of Congress and blocked it every step. This was the real cause of the Civil War. All the other things said are just plain crap manufactured as justification for evil acts of "Enterprising" Business people and the Daughters of the Confederacy.

The naming of forts was certainly not done in a spirit of racial reconciliation, nor with any attempt to deal honesty with the main issue that had led to the war, namely slavery, nor with the unfinished tasks of Reconstruction. If it had been there would surely be a “Fort Longstreet,” after Robert E. Lee’s best general and closest aide, who famously worked with Union forces after the war in genuine Reconstruction efforts in New Orleans, protecting basic black citizenship rights, and being shot for his efforts.

What “reconciliation” occurred was between an increasingly racist North & West and the Jim Crow South at the expense of African American rights. This was at the time the racist movie “Birth of a Nation” was specially featured at the White House before Southern “liberal” Woodrow Wilson; a time when the KKK was rebirthing as a powerful national organization with unprecedented influence and membership in Washington D.C.; when pro-imperialist “scientific racism” and a powerful eugenics movement was fashionable throughout the Anglo-American world. The “Dunning School” of Civil War historiography was the principal center for high academic promotion of “Lost Cause” apologetics — based at Columbia University in New York City. Princeton University had been run by “progressive” Democrat (and racist) Woodrow Wilson before his entry into politics.

Thank you. I couldn't remember the movies name. But it had a profound effect in rewriting true history when it was viewed in a special viewing in the Whitehouse. Woodrow Wilson campaigned as a non racist but he sure changed after he got into office. Many things like, he got rid of all the Blacks working in the Whitehouse just to name one thing.

 

[Bush92]

I believe they are part of history. Whether we like it or not, it is part of our heritage. That would like like Germany renaming Auschwitz and the other Concentration camps. It is part of their history. We may not agree to what happened there. But nonetheless...

West Point grads and heroes of Mexican-American War as Jr. officers. I don't believe in Orwellian revisionist history.

 

[Bush92]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

Socialist Carl Sandburg rewrote history when he published his twisted biography of Abraham Lincoln stating that Lincoln thought the war was about slavery. BTW their is a Ft. Sheridan dummy.

 

[9thIDdoc]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

They are American bases named after Americans by Americans. Why do you care what they are named? How is their name any of your business?

 

[rightwinger]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

They are American bases named after Americans by Americans. Why do you care what they are named? How is their name any of your business?

They are American bases, paid by taxpayers, honoring men who abandoned their country and took up arms against it.

I care because I would rather my tax dollars honor those who are more deserving.