Time for Gun Safety Advocates to Abandon Their Strategy

[Rigby5]

You’re truly an ignoramus.

Before 2010, the Second Amendment applied solely to the Federal government – hence Heller, as DC is under Federal jurisdiction.

It wasn’t until 2010 that the Second Amendment was incorporated to the states and local governments, hence McDonald.

You are making no sense.
You are saying that the 2nd amendment only restricted the federal government, and that the 14th was only incorporated after the Heller and McDonald decisions of 2010.
That is exactly what I have been saying.

That means all federal firearms laws were always illegal, and that there were always some individual firearm rights that states were never supposed to be violating.
The actual rights of individual can not legally change.
All that can happen is that the courts can stop previous violations of individual rights that previous courts failed to act on.

 

[Rigby5]

No, not to the states, either.

Note that the Tenth Amendment mentions three entities that have powers (or rights)—the federal government, the states, and the people.

To which entity does the right to keep and bear arms belong? And which entity does the Second Amendment authorize to infringe this right?

The Bill of Rights could never have had the authority to over rule states on individual rights issues, because then states would not have signed on and the federation would never have existed.

While I agree the right to keep and bear arms is individual, government did not recognize individual rights until the 14th amendment, and even after that, it was a slow judicial process.

Let us not forget that in 1779, there were states with specific religions, like Pennsylvania and Connecticut.

 

[Stann]

A sound suggestion considering Wednesday’s oral arguments over the New York may-issue concealed carry provision:

"This case signaled not only the court's growing hostility to restrictions on concealed carry—the subject matter of today's case—but reflects the view of some justices that there are too many gun control laws and that we need to start striking gun control laws down," UCLA law professor Adam Winkler told Newsweek.

"A significant portion of the gun safety movement's current agenda is likely to come under attack in the coming years," Winkler added. "I think bans on assault weapons and bans on high-capacity magazines are ripe for the new Supreme Court, with its newly invigorated Second Amendment, to strike down."

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Winkler urged the gun safety movement to begin shifting its agenda and move away from its current efforts, in response to Wednesday's hearing.

"It's time to stop focusing on banning particular kinds of firearms or accessories, like high-capacity magazines or assault weapons, and focus more on gun violence prevention programs, getting adequate funding for community intervention programs, lifting restrictions on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms," he said.

"The gun safety movement has reforms it can pursue. Indeed, some of these other reforms have been pursued by the movement for years, but they've been sidelined as assault weapons bans and high-capacity magazine bans—more high-profile reforms—take center stage," Winkler added.

"I think that some of those other proposals and reforms are the wrong way to go today, given the current Supreme Court," he said.’

SCOTUS Justices Signal They Think There Are Too Many Gun Control Laws

"A significant portion of the gun safety movement's current agenda is likely to come under attack in the coming years," UCLA's Adam Winkler said.

www.newsweek.com

When the founding fathers agreed on the second amendment there were no assault weapons, machine guns or tanks these are modern weapons of war. They were never intended for use or ownership by civilians. No one other than police and the military should have these type weapons. They're called assault rifles for a reason. Once the sale of those is outlawed, their availability will end

 

[Stann]

1. Repeal "Bail Reform." Violent offenders are just being arrested, then let go.
2. Reinstate Anti-gang task forces in police departments and go after the gangs.
3. If a person commits a violent crime, hold him/her/it until the trial date.
4. Instate a mandatory heavy sentence on anyone caught with a "stolen" firearm.
5. If parents are found to be gang members and are repeat offenders, they lose custody of their kids.

Those are all good points. Anyone who wants to buy a pistol or regular rifle for their own protection and or hunting. There should be no restrictions, just a thorough background check and they need to register the gun. As far as advanced weaponry such as assault weapons, no civilian should have access to them. They are weapons of war meant for Mass killing. They only belong in the military and the police force.

 

[2aguy]

When the founding fathers agreed on the second amendment there were no assault weapons, machine guns or tanks these are modern weapons of war. They were never intended for use or ownership by civilians. No one other than police and the military should have these type weapons. They're called assault rifles for a reason. Once the sale of those is outlawed, their availability will end

An AR-15 is a regular rifle…it is not a military weapon.…the reason anti- gun fanatics call it an “assault rifle” is to scare uninformed people like you.

More people each year are killed with knives…over 1,500 each year, than all rifles combined……so according to your logic….21 people killed by with this rifle in one isolated event means they need to be banned, then the 39,000 killed by cars means we need to ban cars…right?

 

[2aguy]

Those are all good points. Anyone who wants to buy a pistol or regular rifle for their own protection and or hunting. There should be no restrictions, just a thorough background check and they need to register the gun. As far as advanced weaponry such as assault weapons, no civilian should have access to them. They are weapons of war meant for Mass killing. They only belong in the military and the police force.

Registration is only demanded by anti- gun fanstics because they need it as a first step to then demand gun banning and confiscation.

we know this because in each country that registered guns……Germany, France, Britain, Australia….and states in the U.S …New York, california….those registration lists were then later used to ban and confiscate guns….

Again..

the AR-15 is a regular rifle….that you don’t understand this and you don’t understand why the democrats want them banned shows you shouldn’t be calling for gun policy.

The only reason the want the AR-15 banned is to then demand all semi-automatic guns be banned. The AR-15 operates the exact same way as all other semi-automatic rifles,pistols and shotguns…….if the democrats are allowed to ban one…like the AR-15, they will then state that all other semi-automatic weapons are the same as AR-15s in operation, and therefore need to be banned as well….

 

[Stann]

An AR-15 is a regular rifle…it is not a military weapon.…the reason anti- gun fanatics call it an “assault rifle” is to scare uninformed people like you.

More people each year are killed with knives…over 1,500 each year, than all rifles combined……so according to your logic….21 people killed by with this rifle in one isolated event means they need to be banned, then the 39,000 killed by cars means we need to ban cars…right?

Your logic is definitely twisted. Having said that, you probably shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

 

[Stann]

Registration is only demanded by anti- gun fanstics because they need it as a first step to then demand gun banning and confiscation.

we know this because in each country that registered guns……Germany, France, Britain, Australia….and states in the U.S …New York, california….those registration lists were then later used to ban and confiscate guns….

Again..

the AR-15 is a regular rifle….that you don’t understand this and you don’t understand why the democrats want them banned shows you shouldn’t be calling for gun policy.

The only reason the want the AR-15 banned is to then demand all semi-automatic guns be banned. The AR-15 operates the exact same way as all other semi-automatic rifles,pistols and shotguns…….if the democrats are allowed to ban one…like the AR-15, they will then state that all other semi-automatic weapons are the same as AR-15s in operation, and therefore need to be banned as well….

All semi-automatic and automatic rifles should be banned, that's the bottom line. They make it too easy to kill many.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

All semi-automatic and automatic rifles should be banned, that's the bottom line. They make it too easy to kill many.

I very much doubt that you have any clue what the terms “automatic” and “semi-automatic” mean as they refer to firearms.

 

[Stann]

I very much doubt that you have any clue what the terms “automatic” and “semi-automatic” mean as they refer to firearms.

All I need to know, is that they kill more people faster.

 

[Stann]

All I need to know, is that they kill more people faster.

And civilians shouldn't be able to own them.

 

[2aguy]

All semi-automatic and automatic rifles should be banned, that's the bottom line. They make it too easy to kill many.

Yep.....you don't have to tell us this...we already know what you want.... you don't have to convince us........you are an idiot...you can be told that the German socialists took guns away from Germans, and then went on to murder 15 million Europeans, who were also disarmed by their governments...

The motto is "Never Forget," not, "I already forgot."

 

[Stann]

Yep.....you don't have to tell us this...we already know what you want.... you don't have to convince us........you are an idiot...you can be told that the German socialists took guns away from Germans, and then went on to murder 15 million Europeans, who were also disarmed by their governments...

The motto is "Never Forget," not, "I already forgot."

Our government isn't a bunch of Nazis. On second thought, many of the Republicans are acting like Nazis.

 

[2aguy]

Our government isn't a bunch of Nazis. On second thought, many of the Republicans are acting like Nazis.

That is what the Germans believed in the 1920s when they allowed their government to take their guns......on the promise the government would keep them safe...then, 15 years later, the socialists began the murder of 15 million people...

 

[Stann]

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That is what the Germans believed in the 1920s when they allowed their government to take their guns......on the promise the government would keep them safe...then, 15 years later, the socialists began the murder of 15 million people...

Let's be realistic. Canada, Australia, Norway, Israel, United Kingdom, Japan along with 88 other nations have much stricter gun control laws than we do and the statistics back up that it works. Citing Nazi Germany as one example is ridiculous.

 

[2aguy]

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Let's be realistic. Canada, Australia, Norway, Israel, United Kingdom, Japan along with 88 other nations have much stricter gun control laws than we do and the statistics back up that it works. Citing Nazi Germany as one example is ridiculous.

No...the statistics don't.......that you say that shows you have no idea what you are talking about..

You think that these countries are frozen in amber, that their criminals will not evolve and become more violent as the social policies of these countries destroy their family structures, the violent 3rd world immigrants controlling their drug trafficking need more and more guns to enforce their drug territories, and that the left wing that destroyed police in the U.S. won't do the same in these left wing paradises.....

You are wrong....

Canada?

Firearms too easy to get​

Marc Alain, a professor at the Université du Québec à Trois-Rivières and a researcher with the Centre of International Comparative Criminology, says one of the biggest drivers of gun violence is how readily available handguns have become in Quebec and throughout Canada.

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Maria Mourani, a criminologist who has studied Montreal street gangs and written about organized crime in Quebec and around the world, says she's not surprised by the recent rise in gun violence.

Mourani says she started to notice an uptick in shootings last fall, but things have escalated in the last couple months.

"When we have shootings it means there are conflicts between different criminal groups," she said. "Fights over territory, over drugs, unpaid debts…sometimes it's just two people who disagree."

She says an ongoing war between rival gangs, the Profit Boys in Rivière-des-Prairies and Zone 43 from Montréal-Nord, is causing a lot of the bloodshed.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/gun-violence-explained-by-criminologists-1.6132114





CityNews



Part of the problem is the proliferation of guns. Although Canada has some of the strictest gun laws in the Western world, with Bill C-21 poised to make them even stricter, getting a gun has never been easier for some segments of the population, namely criminals.

“It’s not hard. They’re everywhere,” says Dwayne Beckford from behind a glass partition.

Beckford is currently remanded on gun charges at Toronto East Detention Centre. In his late 30s, he has spent most of his adult life behind bars
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“Everybody has them, like I said. It is scary how much there are, how easily accessible they are. Kids have them.”

Convicted of gun-related charges in the past, he recalls getting a gun was as easy as walking a dog. “They’d be cheaply bought, or just handed to you by guys in the neighbourhood.”

“Everybody has a gun these days. You talk to some guys that can easily give you what you want – to borrow, or hold, or buy.”
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“It’s like, ‘Yeah, here’s $80. You go do what you’ve got to do with it and come back.’ So they’re not even worried about getting caught with the weapon with X amount of bodies on it. That doesn’t even matter anymore,” he explains.

“I could find a gun in a couple of hours,” Wilson says, despite years outside of the game.

“We are seeing more firearms in the street, deadlier than we have seen before,” says Inspector Joe Matthews, the head of Toronto Police’s Guns and Gangs Unit.

In 2009, there were 259 shootings in Toronto resulting in 70 injuries and deaths. Last year, that number jumped to 462 shootings and 217 injuries and deaths. For the past five years, Toronto has witnessed more than 400 shootings a year.
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“The fact that innocent people are getting hit, children are getting hit. These are things we used to care about. There was a moral compass, even though we were extremely violent. There was a method to the madness. I can’t wrap my head around why they would allow it to get to the way that it’s getting, where now, the violence can spill over into their safe communities and zones.”

The end result is broken communities, broken families and lives lived in fear.

“You have people who have been terrified by people in their community, terrorized by people. So they’re afraid,” explains Fox outside the bar where her son was killed. “They’re afraid to say anything … But I mean, it has to stop somewhere. Right?”

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Growing gun violence in Toronot..



By the end of 2019, more than 760 people had been shot in the city, 44 of whom were killed, according to Toronto Police. That's triple the number of shooting victims in the city in 2014.

Canada has tighter gun laws than in the U.S. and suffers much less gun crime, so for many citizens, the sharp rise in gun violence in Toronto is shocking. City officials and gun control advocates are trying to figure out why the surge is happening — and what they can do to stop it.





Toronto...

EDITORIAL: Politicians silent on street check ban increasing gun crime

The fact gang and gun violence in Toronto has skyrocketed since police were banned from doing street cheeks makes them uncomfortable, lest they be accused of racism by anti-police activists if they acknowledge it.

And so at City Hall and Queen’s Park they ignore reality, saying they’re hiring more police officers, implementing new shift schedules to more effectively deploy the force and investing more money in policing and programs to address the root causes of violence.

Despite that, since street checks were banned in 2014, the number of shootings compared to 2019 is up by 178%, victims by 218% and shooting homicides by 63%.

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Last week, recently retired police officer Sue Fisher, on the force for almost 32 years, told the Sun’s Sue-Ann Levy that the end of street checks allowed the “bad guys to take over … there’s no longer that fear (among the criminal element.)”

Today, Fisher said, officers are often running from shooting to shooting after the fact, as opposed to doing proactive policing, like street checks, to gather intelligence to prevent shootings before they occur.





According to Canada's government statistics agency, gun violence overall rose by more than 40% in Canada between 2013 and 2017, with much of that increase driven by incidents in Toronto.

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders says that the city's recent gun violence has been connected to gang activity.

In a press conference in August, he said the Raptors incident and the August shootings "by and large have street gang connotations to them," pointing to the gang membership of the victims and those arrested. There is a thriving gang culture in Toronto centered on the illegal drug trade, largely in the city's poorer outer suburbs.


LILLEY: Gun in cop cruiser shows why bans don’t work with criminals

Ali Showbeg is now the poster child for why Justin Trudeau’s proposed gun bans simply won’t work.

If you haven’t heard of Showbeg, maybe you’ve heard of what he did. After being arrested for impaired driving on Oct. 27 in Toronto, Showbeg was caught on camera maneuvering himself to the point where he popped a handgun out of his clothing and dropped it right in his crotch.

Thank goodness the man was clearly intoxicated and not in a mood for fighting or things could have been much worse for the officers transporting him. As in, they could have been dead.
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As Joe Warmington reported when the event became public, Showbeg was not exactly a stranger to police. He was arrested and charged with attempted murder in 2005 for an incident that saw a car shot up in Toronto’s north end.

In 2006, he faced firearms charges that resulted in a lifetime gun ban.

So how, given that he is subject to a lifetime gun ban, did Ali Showbeg get a gun and then get that gun into the back of a squad car?

I mean, surely he would have known he was banned from owning a gun. Surely he would have known he has never taken the required safety course and passed the test to get a gun licence. So how could he have gotten a gun?

The same way the 38 year-old did when he was a much younger 23 year-old. He bought it illegally.

Toronto left reeling after long weekend gun violence



Officials in Toronto say more will be done to reduce gun violence after 11 people were shot, two fatally, over a holiday weekend.

The weekend of violence included a deadly shooting on Queen Street, a commercial artery, that killed two men and left one woman wounded.

The shooting happened on Saturday just before 8pm local time (12am GMT).

Gun violence in Canada's largest city appears to be taking place at a higher rate than normal.

 

[2aguy]

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Let's be realistic. Canada, Australia, Norway, Israel, United Kingdom, Japan along with 88 other nations have much stricter gun control laws than we do and the statistics back up that it works. Citing Nazi Germany as one example is ridiculous.

Australia?

he modus operandi of the hitmen contracted to take out Hamzy associates is to sneak up on the target - often in a public place - and pepper them with bullets.
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OCTOBER 18, 2020 - Rafat Alameddine's former home is shot up in a drive-by shooting

OCTOBER 19, 2020 - Mejid Hamzy is shot dead in Condell Park

JANUARY 30, 2021 - Mustafa Naaman is shot dead in Hurstville in a suspected mistaken identity attack on Ibrahem Hamze

JANUARY 30, 2021 - Mejed Derbas is shot dead in Smithfield

FEBRUARY 15, 2021 - Bilal Hamze's mother Maha Hamze comes under gunfire again in another drive-by shooting at her home in Auburn

MARCH 12, 2021 - A home linked to the Alameddine family in Guildford is shot up

AUGUST 6, 2021 - Alameddine low-level associate Shady Kanj is shot in Chester Hill and found dead by police in Guildford

AUGUST 14, 2021 - Police foil alleged gangland hit on Ibrahim Hamze when they spot stolen Mercedes in North Sydney

OCTOBER 20, 2021 - Salim and Toufik Hamze are gunned down outside their home in Guildford

NOVEMBER 10, 2021 - Drive-by shooting at Guildford home of Alameddine associate. No-one is hurt

JANUARY 6, 2022 - Brother of Bassam Hamzy, Ghassan Amoun, is shot dead at 35 years of age in a brazen daylight execution as he sat in a BMW outside an apartment building in Western Sydney.

How cops made a chilling prediction before crime boss brother killed


New article 9/1/20

Gun violence grips Victoria as deadly shootings double

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.
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Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.
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In September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.
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And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs
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Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

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The second part of the series....

Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[Stann]

No...the statistics don't.......that you say that shows you have no idea what you are talking about..

You think that these countries are frozen in amber, that their criminals will not evolve and become more violent as the social policies of these countries destroy their family structures, the violent 3rd world immigrants controlling their drug trafficking need more and more guns to enforce their drug territories, and that the left wing that destroyed police in the U.S. won't do the same in these left wing paradises.....

You are wrong....

Canada?

Firearms too easy to get​

Marc Alain, a professor at the Université du Québec à Trois-Rivières and a researcher with the Centre of International Comparative Criminology, says one of the biggest drivers of gun violence is how readily available handguns have become in Quebec and throughout Canada.

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Maria Mourani, a criminologist who has studied Montreal street gangs and written about organized crime in Quebec and around the world, says she's not surprised by the recent rise in gun violence.

Mourani says she started to notice an uptick in shootings last fall, but things have escalated in the last couple months.

"When we have shootings it means there are conflicts between different criminal groups," she said. "Fights over territory, over drugs, unpaid debts…sometimes it's just two people who disagree."

She says an ongoing war between rival gangs, the Profit Boys in Rivière-des-Prairies and Zone 43 from Montréal-Nord, is causing a lot of the bloodshed.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/gun-violence-explained-by-criminologists-1.6132114





CityNews



Part of the problem is the proliferation of guns. Although Canada has some of the strictest gun laws in the Western world, with Bill C-21 poised to make them even stricter, getting a gun has never been easier for some segments of the population, namely criminals.

“It’s not hard. They’re everywhere,” says Dwayne Beckford from behind a glass partition.

Beckford is currently remanded on gun charges at Toronto East Detention Centre. In his late 30s, he has spent most of his adult life behind bars
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“Everybody has them, like I said. It is scary how much there are, how easily accessible they are. Kids have them.”

Convicted of gun-related charges in the past, he recalls getting a gun was as easy as walking a dog. “They’d be cheaply bought, or just handed to you by guys in the neighbourhood.”

“Everybody has a gun these days. You talk to some guys that can easily give you what you want – to borrow, or hold, or buy.”
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“It’s like, ‘Yeah, here’s $80. You go do what you’ve got to do with it and come back.’ So they’re not even worried about getting caught with the weapon with X amount of bodies on it. That doesn’t even matter anymore,” he explains.

“I could find a gun in a couple of hours,” Wilson says, despite years outside of the game.

“We are seeing more firearms in the street, deadlier than we have seen before,” says Inspector Joe Matthews, the head of Toronto Police’s Guns and Gangs Unit.

In 2009, there were 259 shootings in Toronto resulting in 70 injuries and deaths. Last year, that number jumped to 462 shootings and 217 injuries and deaths. For the past five years, Toronto has witnessed more than 400 shootings a year.
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“The fact that innocent people are getting hit, children are getting hit. These are things we used to care about. There was a moral compass, even though we were extremely violent. There was a method to the madness. I can’t wrap my head around why they would allow it to get to the way that it’s getting, where now, the violence can spill over into their safe communities and zones.”

The end result is broken communities, broken families and lives lived in fear.

“You have people who have been terrified by people in their community, terrorized by people. So they’re afraid,” explains Fox outside the bar where her son was killed. “They’re afraid to say anything … But I mean, it has to stop somewhere. Right?”

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Growing gun violence in Toronot..



By the end of 2019, more than 760 people had been shot in the city, 44 of whom were killed, according to Toronto Police. That's triple the number of shooting victims in the city in 2014.

Canada has tighter gun laws than in the U.S. and suffers much less gun crime, so for many citizens, the sharp rise in gun violence in Toronto is shocking. City officials and gun control advocates are trying to figure out why the surge is happening — and what they can do to stop it.





Toronto...

EDITORIAL: Politicians silent on street check ban increasing gun crime

The fact gang and gun violence in Toronto has skyrocketed since police were banned from doing street cheeks makes them uncomfortable, lest they be accused of racism by anti-police activists if they acknowledge it.

And so at City Hall and Queen’s Park they ignore reality, saying they’re hiring more police officers, implementing new shift schedules to more effectively deploy the force and investing more money in policing and programs to address the root causes of violence.

Despite that, since street checks were banned in 2014, the number of shootings compared to 2019 is up by 178%, victims by 218% and shooting homicides by 63%.

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Last week, recently retired police officer Sue Fisher, on the force for almost 32 years, told the Sun’s Sue-Ann Levy that the end of street checks allowed the “bad guys to take over … there’s no longer that fear (among the criminal element.)”

Today, Fisher said, officers are often running from shooting to shooting after the fact, as opposed to doing proactive policing, like street checks, to gather intelligence to prevent shootings before they occur.





According to Canada's government statistics agency, gun violence overall rose by more than 40% in Canada between 2013 and 2017, with much of that increase driven by incidents in Toronto.

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders says that the city's recent gun violence has been connected to gang activity.

In a press conference in August, he said the Raptors incident and the August shootings "by and large have street gang connotations to them," pointing to the gang membership of the victims and those arrested. There is a thriving gang culture in Toronto centered on the illegal drug trade, largely in the city's poorer outer suburbs.


LILLEY: Gun in cop cruiser shows why bans don’t work with criminals

Ali Showbeg is now the poster child for why Justin Trudeau’s proposed gun bans simply won’t work.

If you haven’t heard of Showbeg, maybe you’ve heard of what he did. After being arrested for impaired driving on Oct. 27 in Toronto, Showbeg was caught on camera maneuvering himself to the point where he popped a handgun out of his clothing and dropped it right in his crotch.

Thank goodness the man was clearly intoxicated and not in a mood for fighting or things could have been much worse for the officers transporting him. As in, they could have been dead.
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As Joe Warmington reported when the event became public, Showbeg was not exactly a stranger to police. He was arrested and charged with attempted murder in 2005 for an incident that saw a car shot up in Toronto’s north end.

In 2006, he faced firearms charges that resulted in a lifetime gun ban.

So how, given that he is subject to a lifetime gun ban, did Ali Showbeg get a gun and then get that gun into the back of a squad car?

I mean, surely he would have known he was banned from owning a gun. Surely he would have known he has never taken the required safety course and passed the test to get a gun licence. So how could he have gotten a gun?

The same way the 38 year-old did when he was a much younger 23 year-old. He bought it illegally.

Toronto left reeling after long weekend gun violence



Officials in Toronto say more will be done to reduce gun violence after 11 people were shot, two fatally, over a holiday weekend.

The weekend of violence included a deadly shooting on Queen Street, a commercial artery, that killed two men and left one woman wounded.

The shooting happened on Saturday just before 8pm local time (12am GMT).

Gun violence in Canada's largest city appears to be taking place at a higher rate than normal.

It goes along with ignorance and lies. The world is suffering from way too much of this and as a result there's more violence everywhere but nothing to compare with what's happening here in the United States. Long overdue resolutions are needed at this time before it gets any worse. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[2aguy]

It goes along with ignorance and lies. The world is suffering from way too much of this and as a result there's more violence everywhere but nothing to compare with what's happening here in the United States. Long overdue resolutions are needed at this time before it gets any worse. You don't know what you're talking about.

As opposed to the 1.1 million Americans who use their guns to save lives each year?

The reason our democrat party controlled cities have so much gun violence is their policies, you idiot.....normal gun owners don't use their legal guns for crime.

How do we know....27 years of actual experience......

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.


You can't explain how it is that as more Americans owned and carried guns, our gun crime rate went down, our gun murder rate went down.......it only changed when the democrats enacted their war on police and their policy of releasing the most violent, most dangerous gun offenders into black neighborhoods....

 

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As opposed to the 1.1 million Americans who use their guns to save lives each year?

The reason our democrat party controlled cities have so much gun violence is their policies, you idiot.....normal gun owners don't use their legal guns for crime.

How do we know....27 years of actual experience......

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.


You can't explain how it is that as more Americans owned and carried guns, our gun crime rate went down, our gun murder rate went down.......it only changed when the democrats enacted their war on police and their policy of releasing the most violent, most dangerous gun offenders into black neighborhoods....

Good legislation is needed, obviously two things need to be done 1. The total number of guns needs to be reduced greatly, and 2. Proper screening of anyone wanting to buy guns, especially those wanting to buy multiple guns, large amounts of ammunition and things like body armor. There should all be red flags.