Time For Genocide?

[Divine Wind]

Heinlein's "A Stranger in a Strange Land" also explored the various components of humanity with Valentine Michael Smith playing Savior.

Also, there's an Iron Maiden song about it.

I don't recall it, but am positive the book is better.

 

[Divine Wind]

I can't tell the difference between the Islamic barbarians and the barbarian Westerners in this thread who want to slaughter hundreds of millions of people.

They tried in the 1940s and they'd like to try it again.

Human nature. Religion and/or politics aren't the cause, they're the excuse.

Catholic religion: Be fruitful and multiply taken seriously. The church forbids contraception and in counseling with couples that are engaged to be married, to have children.
Islam: Up to four wives allowed and the more wives you have, the more children you have.
The followers of these idiotic religions believe that their deity wants followers to have many children.
Thus, religion is to blame in this situation.

Disagreed. Religion is no more to blame for human activities than guns are responsible for violence in Chicago.

 

[Divine Wind]

Heinlein's "A Stranger in a Strange Land" also explored the various components of humanity with Valentine Michael Smith playing Savior.

Also, there's an Iron Maiden song about it.

Looking it up, it seems more related to Exodus 2:22 than Heinlein....although Heinlein's book, too, relates to the Exodus verse.

IRON MAIDEN LYRICS - Stranger In A Strange Land

 

[Toro]

I can't tell the difference between the Islamic barbarians and the barbarian Westerners in this thread who want to slaughter hundreds of millions of people.

They tried in the 1940s and they'd like to try it again.

Human nature. Religion and/or politics aren't the cause, they're the excuse.

Catholic religion: Be fruitful and multiply taken seriously. The church forbids contraception and in counseling with couples that are engaged to be married, to have children.
Islam: Up to four wives allowed and the more wives you have, the more children you have.
The followers of these idiotic religions believe that their deity wants followers to have many children.
Thus, religion is to blame in this situation.

Religion is an integral part of society. It is human nature to want to believe in immortality. Religion creates the context because humans need to believe this.

 

[Divine Wind]

Religion is an integral part of society. It is human nature to want to believe in immortality. Religion creates the context because humans need to believe this.

Ummmm, possible. Also possible you are putting the cart before the horse.

 

[LuckyDuck]

I can't tell the difference between the Islamic barbarians and the barbarian Westerners in this thread who want to slaughter hundreds of millions of people.

They tried in the 1940s and they'd like to try it again.

Human nature. Religion and/or politics aren't the cause, they're the excuse.

Catholic religion: Be fruitful and multiply taken seriously. The church forbids contraception and in counseling with couples that are engaged to be married, to have children.
Islam: Up to four wives allowed and the more wives you have, the more children you have.
The followers of these idiotic religions believe that their deity wants followers to have many children.
Thus, religion is to blame in this situation.

Disagreed. Religion is no more to blame for human activities than guns are responsible for violence in Chicago.

Religion holds massive sway over individuals behavior. Many devoutly religious individuals believe every idiotic word written in their so-called "holy books" and when they take the writings literally, they act out accordingly, hence the almost 30,000 terrorist acts since 9/11. Islamic terrorists truly believe that by killing anyone not actually Muslim, according to their teachings, are fair targets for killing. Devout believers in Catholicism, believe that it is a sin to use contraception and end up spitting out kid after kid, after kid. So, I respectfully disagree with your take on it and we just won't agree on this subject.

 

[Divine Wind]

Religion holds massive sway over individuals behavior. Many devoutly religious individuals believe every idiotic word written in their so-called "holy books" and when they take the writings literally, they act out accordingly, hence the almost 30,000 terrorist acts since 9/11. Islamic terrorists truly believe that by killing anyone not actually Muslim, according to their teachings, are fair targets for killing. Devout believers in Catholicism, believe that it is a sin to use contraception and end up spitting out kid after kid, after kid. So, I respectfully disagree with your take on it and we just won't agree on this subject.

Disagreed. Like political ideology, people believe what they want to believe. You can force them to behave, but you can't force them to think something they do not want to believe.

You focus on religion, but doesn't everything you say also apply equally to political ideology, be it fascism, socialism, left wing, right wing, whatever?

 

[Toro]

Religion is an integral part of society. It is human nature to want to believe in immortality. Religion creates the context because humans need to believe this.

Ummmm, possible. Also possible you are putting the cart before the horse.

I'm agreeing with you.

Religion is integral with human nature.

 

[overland]

But you want to commit genocide against people here.

The only possible time we might have to make a decision such as that, this is if Trump and Putin and normal European leaders cannot successfully eradicate Islamic Terrorism and then the only option despite mega Leftist bedwetting will be to drop A-Bombs on strategic nations in the Middle East ie. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain and also Southern Pakistan which is where huge numbers of both ISIS and Al-Qaeda dwell.

And this will be a decision of it's either we in the West or them, and we can't get all teary-eyed and emotional about this.

The muslims would retaliate. If only in a limited way. It's a miracle that they haven't already sneaked some small nuke into the country and set it off in some city. If what you say happened, the only way to be safe from them is to deport ALL of them. Even those who only kind of look like them. And execute without trial any White person even suspected of sympathizing with mislims, indains, chinese or whatever. Which I would just love the hell out of.

It is a miracle yes, and it's a great worry that it's almost a certainty that an Islamic group will attempt to get small suitcase nukes into Western nations and/or Dirty Bombs, so many people don't even seem concerned with this in the meaning they don't even think that these situations are possibilities, I suppose it's more comforting to just keep their heads in the sand.

Deportation is something I 100% support, a full-scale Deportation Programme across all Western nations.

Any person either supporting, sympathising, enabling and of course assisting any of the Islamic Fundamentalists is to be considered a Traitor and would be executed as a Traitor.

Not sure why you include the Chinese and Indians, they do not blow our people up in suicide attacks, mow them down with vehicles etc the Chinese and Indians are not included in the 7th Century Death Cult and also China and India do have their own problems with Islamic Fundamentalism.

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

 

[overland]

Indeed. They aren't races. They are species. For example, African and Indian elephants aren't called different races of elephant. They are called different species of elephant. As for dogs, they are all the same thing. Pretty much. All if the different breeds were created by humans. But here is an interesting note. Western wolves and Eastern wolves can interbreed and have viable offspring. Eastern wolves and coyotes can do so too. But western wolves and coyotes can't.

Wrong on species, again, but most of your knowledge of biology is so fucked up, I'm surprised you know the difference between your mouth and your ass.....or do you? Do you get confused sometimes?

Differences Between African and Asian elephants
There are many differences between Asian and African elephants. Both types of elephant are members of the same taxonomical family, elephantidae, but are of a different genus; elephas maximus (Asian elephants, Loxodonta africana (African savanna elephants) and Loxodonta cyclotis (African Forest Elephant).

What is a species? - Encyclopedia of Life
Perhaps the most widely accepted species concept is known as the Biological Species Concept (BSC). According to this definition, proposed by the evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr in the mid-20th century, species are groups of actually or potentially interbreeding natural populations which are reproductively isolated from other such groups. Within this definition, a species represents a set of individuals connected by gene exchange ("gene flow") that is genetically isolated from all other such sets of individuals. There is gene flow among individuals within a species, but not between different species. This lack of gene exchange means that different species can evolve independently.

Other approaches to defining and thinking about species have focused on lineages in branching evolutionary trees, with ancestral species splitting into two different lineages and the tips of the branches representing the species that are with us today. The focus on reproductive isolation (biological species concept) versus the relationships among branches in evolutionary trees (lineage-based species concepts) represents two perspectives on the speciation process (the origin of new species) that are not mutually exclusive.

Today, most biologists are more interested in understanding the process of speciation than in trying to find a strict species definition that is always applicable. Speciation is usually a gradual process, so it is not unusual to encounter populations that are only partly reproductively isolated. This means that individuals from diverged lineages may still exchange genes to a limited degree, perhaps even to the extent that they will merge again. These situations are challenging for both the biological species concepts and lineage species concepts. Although some people may wish for a black-and-white criterion for defining species, this is unrealistic. By analogy, imagine a population of maturing humans. Most individuals will be easily recognized as children or adults, but some will be difficult to categorize and these difficult individuals might be tagged differently by different people using different criteria (e.g., different physical characteristics, different measures of emotional maturity, etc.). Similarly, most individual birds or snails or mushrooms can be readily categorized as belonging to one species or another, but exceptions are not rare.

Your "divine wind" is coming out of your ass. I will show you one example of your "divine wind." I just hope actual historical photographs are allowed around here.

 

[overland]

I have a hypothetical question for you. What "IF" genocide is the only answer. What then. Take India. They have over a billion people. And adding more people all the time. In the U.S. we have about 319 million people. Could you imagine if we had over a billion? That many people is a highly disgusting obscenity! Also, I was watching a supposedly highly respected and educated woman in India talking about how average Americans lives and how the average Indian person lives. She said that if everybody in India lived like Americans do, it would surely destroy the world from all the added pollution. Granted, Americans do need to change. But do you know what she thought? She thought that Indians SHOULD be living like Americans. Do I need to spell out what that would mean?

The same sort of thing applies with China. The number of people they have is a highly disgusting obscenity! And they recently changed their one child per couple law to allowing two children per couple. That isn't good. Also, the number of White people isn't growing. In some places it is probably going down a little. But every single day there are about 230,000 more people on the planet than there was the day before. That is like every single day plopping another St Louis Missouri on the planet.

The earth can't sustainably support the number of people it already has. There is desertification going on, food wars, mass migrations, dwindling fish stocks, etc. etc. etc. And for the overpopulating illegal invader hordes crossing the southern border, it seems that the only thing that will really dissuade them is to start killing them.

So what is the answer. Pray to some dead jewish prophet and look forward to "the end of days?" So you can be herded around in heaven by the prophet of an imaginary god? I guess that maybe might work. As long as it isn't YOU who personally has to experience it.

You know, there is one overriding principal that you have to follow in life. All life has to do so. For good or bad. And that is to do what you have to do to survive. Words are unlikely to work. Maybe, just MAYBE, that means taking the genocide path. What do you think.

Having just noticed this post, I'm not going to go through all the responses, but rather, just respond to the main topic.
For years, I and others have said that we are facing an overpopulation issue which will eventually destroy all non-renewable resources and use renewable resources to the point where it can't keep pace with the demand.
The problem mankind is faced with, is combination of religious ideology, culture and tradition. These are difficult and likely impossible to overcome.
In the end however, the solution will rectify itself. During the winter months in the U.S., the foods are brought in from other nations. That will eventually change as the nations that provide those foods, run short of the foods themselves, due to population increases and thus will no longer agree to ship foods out of their area. Such actions will bring food shortages to the U.S. in the cold months. As more and more farms in the U.S. disappear due to urban/suburban sprawl, there will be a further decline of food production in this nation. Add to this, the overfishing of nations waters will bring about seafood shortages and the inability of organisms to keep up with the demand.
The bottom line in all of this is that a genocide isn't needed. Eventually, a mass starvation will most definitely occur and thus the human population will be significantly reduced and those that actually survive, few though they may be, will have learned from the massive human die-off and enact policies that limit population numbers in various areas, sadly though, most wildlife will have died off through loss of habitat or eaten.

So you follow the doomsday cult. Tell me. Do you also believe that when the end comes, you will be herded around in heaven by jeebus? Or are you just hoping that YOU wont have to face the end. Like it or not, there are a few people around like me with some decency, honor and dignity that would rather fix a problem than let it reach it's inevitable conclusion.

 

[Divine Wind]

Religion is an integral part of society. It is human nature to want to believe in immortality. Religion creates the context because humans need to believe this.

Ummmm, possible. Also possible you are putting the cart before the horse.

I'm agreeing with you.

Religion is integral with human nature.

Thanks, Toro. A small difference of opinion; spirituality is integral to human nature. "Religion", like politics, is just a result, not a cause, of human nature.

 

[Tilly]

The only possible time we might have to make a decision such as that, this is if Trump and Putin and normal European leaders cannot successfully eradicate Islamic Terrorism and then the only option despite mega Leftist bedwetting will be to drop A-Bombs on strategic nations in the Middle East ie. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain and also Southern Pakistan which is where huge numbers of both ISIS and Al-Qaeda dwell.

And this will be a decision of it's either we in the West or them, and we can't get all teary-eyed and emotional about this.

The muslims would retaliate. If only in a limited way. It's a miracle that they haven't already sneaked some small nuke into the country and set it off in some city. If what you say happened, the only way to be safe from them is to deport ALL of them. Even those who only kind of look like them. And execute without trial any White person even suspected of sympathizing with mislims, indains, chinese or whatever. Which I would just love the hell out of.

It is a miracle yes, and it's a great worry that it's almost a certainty that an Islamic group will attempt to get small suitcase nukes into Western nations and/or Dirty Bombs, so many people don't even seem concerned with this in the meaning they don't even think that these situations are possibilities, I suppose it's more comforting to just keep their heads in the sand.

Deportation is something I 100% support, a full-scale Deportation Programme across all Western nations.

Any person either supporting, sympathising, enabling and of course assisting any of the Islamic Fundamentalists is to be considered a Traitor and would be executed as a Traitor.

Not sure why you include the Chinese and Indians, they do not blow our people up in suicide attacks, mow them down with vehicles etc the Chinese and Indians are not included in the 7th Century Death Cult and also China and India do have their own problems with Islamic Fundamentalism.

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

Is mass starvation and dehydration your preferred method of genocide too? Or is that too slow for you?

 

[Divine Wind]

Your "divine wind" is coming out of your ass....

No worries. People like you exist, but, fortunately, are not among the majority. Most people are smarter.

 

[Unkotare]

The muslims would retaliate. If only in a limited way. It's a miracle that they haven't already sneaked some small nuke into the country and set it off in some city. If what you say happened, the only way to be safe from them is to deport ALL of them. Even those who only kind of look like them. And execute without trial any White person even suspected of sympathizing with mislims, indains, chinese or whatever. Which I would just love the hell out of.

It is a miracle yes, and it's a great worry that it's almost a certainty that an Islamic group will attempt to get small suitcase nukes into Western nations and/or Dirty Bombs, so many people don't even seem concerned with this in the meaning they don't even think that these situations are possibilities, I suppose it's more comforting to just keep their heads in the sand.

Deportation is something I 100% support, a full-scale Deportation Programme across all Western nations.

Any person either supporting, sympathising, enabling and of course assisting any of the Islamic Fundamentalists is to be considered a Traitor and would be executed as a Traitor.

Not sure why you include the Chinese and Indians, they do not blow our people up in suicide attacks, mow them down with vehicles etc the Chinese and Indians are not included in the 7th Century Death Cult and also China and India do have their own problems with Islamic Fundamentalism.

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

Is mass starvation and dehydration your preferred method of genocide too? Or is that too slow for you?

???

 

[overland]

The muslims would retaliate. If only in a limited way. It's a miracle that they haven't already sneaked some small nuke into the country and set it off in some city. If what you say happened, the only way to be safe from them is to deport ALL of them. Even those who only kind of look like them. And execute without trial any White person even suspected of sympathizing with mislims, indains, chinese or whatever. Which I would just love the hell out of.

It is a miracle yes, and it's a great worry that it's almost a certainty that an Islamic group will attempt to get small suitcase nukes into Western nations and/or Dirty Bombs, so many people don't even seem concerned with this in the meaning they don't even think that these situations are possibilities, I suppose it's more comforting to just keep their heads in the sand.

Deportation is something I 100% support, a full-scale Deportation Programme across all Western nations.

Any person either supporting, sympathising, enabling and of course assisting any of the Islamic Fundamentalists is to be considered a Traitor and would be executed as a Traitor.

Not sure why you include the Chinese and Indians, they do not blow our people up in suicide attacks, mow them down with vehicles etc the Chinese and Indians are not included in the 7th Century Death Cult and also China and India do have their own problems with Islamic Fundamentalism.

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

Is mass starvation and dehydration your preferred method of genocide too? Or is that too slow for you?

I think it has been effectively proven that debate and rationality isn't going to work. So choose your own poison.

 

[Tilly]

It is a miracle yes, and it's a great worry that it's almost a certainty that an Islamic group will attempt to get small suitcase nukes into Western nations and/or Dirty Bombs, so many people don't even seem concerned with this in the meaning they don't even think that these situations are possibilities, I suppose it's more comforting to just keep their heads in the sand.

Deportation is something I 100% support, a full-scale Deportation Programme across all Western nations.

Any person either supporting, sympathising, enabling and of course assisting any of the Islamic Fundamentalists is to be considered a Traitor and would be executed as a Traitor.

Not sure why you include the Chinese and Indians, they do not blow our people up in suicide attacks, mow them down with vehicles etc the Chinese and Indians are not included in the 7th Century Death Cult and also China and India do have their own problems with Islamic Fundamentalism.

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

Is mass starvation and dehydration your preferred method of genocide too? Or is that too slow for you?

I think it has been effectively proven that debate and rationality isn't going to work. So choose your own poison.

You are the advocate for genocide. Have you reevaluated your position, or just become coy?

 

[Tilly]

It is a miracle yes, and it's a great worry that it's almost a certainty that an Islamic group will attempt to get small suitcase nukes into Western nations and/or Dirty Bombs, so many people don't even seem concerned with this in the meaning they don't even think that these situations are possibilities, I suppose it's more comforting to just keep their heads in the sand.

Deportation is something I 100% support, a full-scale Deportation Programme across all Western nations.

Any person either supporting, sympathising, enabling and of course assisting any of the Islamic Fundamentalists is to be considered a Traitor and would be executed as a Traitor.

Not sure why you include the Chinese and Indians, they do not blow our people up in suicide attacks, mow them down with vehicles etc the Chinese and Indians are not included in the 7th Century Death Cult and also China and India do have their own problems with Islamic Fundamentalism.

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

Is mass starvation and dehydration your preferred method of genocide too? Or is that too slow for you?

???

Overland wants the genocide of Indians and ?Chinese.

 

[Unkotare]

There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan. So they all should go. Let allah or sheva sort them out. As for the chinese, they are just enemies. They need to go too.

"There is no way to tell the difference between somebody from India or Pakistan."

Indians are Hindu, Pakistani's are Muslim, so we'll just have to round them ALL up and then DEMAND that the men all drop their pants and then we'll know which are the Pakistani's

Just get ten of them together and try to surround them. All by yourself. The idea isn't to sort through them. The idea is to get rid of them all.

Is mass starvation and dehydration your preferred method of genocide too? Or is that too slow for you?

???

Overland wants the genocide of Indians and ?Chinese.

The boy needs help.

 

[boedicca]

I have a hypothetical question for you. What "IF" genocide is the only answer. What then. Take India. They have over a billion people. And adding more people all the time. In the U.S. we have about 319 million people. Could you imagine if we had over a billion? That many people is a highly disgusting obscenity! Also, I was watching a supposedly highly respected and educated woman in India talking about how average Americans lives and how the average Indian person lives. She said that if everybody in India lived like Americans do, it would surely destroy the world from all the added pollution. Granted, Americans do need to change. But do you know what she thought? She thought that Indians SHOULD be living like Americans. Do I need to spell out what that would mean?

The same sort of thing applies with China. The number of people they have is a highly disgusting obscenity! And they recently changed their one child per couple law to allowing two children per couple. That isn't good. Also, the number of White people isn't growing. In some places it is probably going down a little. But every single day there are about 230,000 more people on the planet than there was the day before. That is like every single day plopping another St Louis Missouri on the planet.

The earth can't sustainably support the number of people it already has. There is desertification going on, food wars, mass migrations, dwindling fish stocks, etc. etc. etc. And for the overpopulating illegal invader hordes crossing the southern border, it seems that the only thing that will really dissuade them is to start killing them.

So what is the answer. Pray to some dead jewish prophet and look forward to "the end of days?" So you can be herded around in heaven by the prophet of an imaginary god? I guess that maybe might work. As long as it isn't YOU who personally has to experience it.

You know, there is one overriding principal that you have to follow in life. All life has to do so. For good or bad. And that is to do what you have to do to survive. Words are unlikely to work. Maybe, just MAYBE, that means taking the genocide path. What do you think.

Go away.