Tilting Our Politics Back Toward Democracy

[Oddball]

Keep your mind closed to other points of view. Good strategy.

Kristol's point of view led the nation into two foolhardy foreign wars, the deaths of thousands, and maiming of scores of thousands.

Now leftist drips like you shove your heads up his ass.

 

[Oddball]

Well they were… all bad.

Racist… authoritarian… anti-American

Supporting political violence

 

[Lesh]

So I take it you've never been to a JBS meeting? I have.

The John Birch Society

Surprises me not at all

 

[JGalt]

The John Birch Society

Surprises me not at all

So?

 

[Lesh]

So?

One step removed from the KKK

 

[Oddball]

The term "wildly popular" runs in progressive/communist circles. No real R, close to extinction, will have anything to do with passing laws that infringe upon the 2a.

Never mind the allegedly "wildly popular".

Ovomitcare was jammed up Murica's asses, though its "popularity" when proposed barely charted in the low 40%-ish range, tops.

Remember any big popular groundswell to have 10% ETOH forced upon us in our gasoline ?

Speaking of gasoline, where was the "wildly popular" support to turn gasoline jerry cans into something next-to-impossible to figure out how to operate?

Does anyone remember the major nation wide marches, demanding that the gargantuan eyesore wind turbines, that are a blight upon the rural landscape, to be built by the thousands?

Yet disingenuous little sniveling bitches like the OP have the gall to shed crocodile tears for the "death of democracy".

 

[JGalt]

One step removed from the KKK

You're full of shit.

But even if it was, it's none of your fucking business what I do.

 

[Lesh]

You're full of shit.

But even if it was, it's none of your fucking business what I do.

Maybe you forgot but you volunteered that information retard

 

[PoliticalChic]

The present debate about the independent state legislature theory—a disingenuous interpretation of constitutional clauses that would grant state legislatures tremendous power to defy state courts and even ignore the states’ popular votes in presidential elections—is in large part a question of how much power the demos should have in our democracy. Recent years have seen no shortage of similar democracy-limiting ideas, rulings, laws, and proposals, such as the Supreme Court’s 2013 Shelby County decision, which opened the door to unnecessarily restrictive voting laws, and 2019 Rucho decision, which made partisan gerrymandering nonjusticiable.

Consider also the longstanding trope that “the United States is a republic, not a democracy”—a truism that conservative politicians and writers, perhaps forgetting that it was once the slogan of the ultra-right John Birch Society and associated with opposition to civil rights, have for decades routinely deployed as if it were a decisive rebuttal to anyone who argues that perhaps a bit more power in our political system should be put in the hands of the people.

Based on this understanding, elected officials prop up the parts of our system of government that make it easier for them to obtain and hold onto power while also making it difficult for the people to hold them culpable for unprincipled or incongruous actions. Without sufficient accountability, legislative bodies can disregard the expressed democratic will whenever they deem the people unfit to decide for themselves.

Tilting Our Politics Back Toward Democracy - The Bulwark

What the old trope about the United States being “a republic, not a democracy” misses about the American system.

www.thebulwark.com

This is a stunningly prescient concern for the damage entities like Faux can do to the public square.

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

I thought this was a fascinating piece. It's now up for discussion, which, I hope we can keep out of the gutter.

The Constitution is known as ‘the law of the land.’

The U.S. Constitution calls itself the "supreme law of the land." This clause is taken to mean that when state constitutions or laws passed by state legislatures or the national Congress are found to conflict with the federal Constitution, they have no force.

The Constitution as Supreme Law

http://www.let.rug.nl › usa › outlines › government-1991




The fact is that the only document that Americans have agreed to be governed by is the Constitution. It is written in English….no ‘interpretation’ is required.



Wherein we find this:
Under the second clause of Article II of the Constitution, the legislatures of the several states have exclusive power to direct the manner in which the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed.
Such appointment may be made by the legislatures directly, or by popular vote in districts, or by general ticket, as may be provided by the legislature.”

​

McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1 (1892)

supreme.justia.com



But....this occurred: courts altered voting rules.
“In Pennsylvania, the question was whether the state’s Supreme Court could override voting rules set by the state legislature. In North Carolina, the question was whether state election officials had the power to alter such voting rules.”
NYTimes

Sooo.....no, the election was not correctly decided, and we don't actually know who won the election.





Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.

Supremacy Clause | Wex | US Law




Good to see your sort sweatin'.....

 

[Oddball]

The Constitution is known as ‘the law of the land.’

The U.S. Constitution calls itself the "supreme law of the land." This clause is taken to mean that when state constitutions or laws passed by state legislatures or the national Congress are found to conflict with the federal Constitution, they have no force.

The Constitution as Supreme Law

http://www.let.rug.nl › usa › outlines › government-1991




The fact is that the only document that Americans have agreed to be governed by is the Constitution. It is written in English….no ‘interpretation’ is required.



Wherein we find this:
Under the second clause of Article II of the Constitution, the legislatures of the several states have exclusive power to direct the manner in which the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed.
Such appointment may be made by the legislatures directly, or by popular vote in districts, or by general ticket, as may be provided by the legislature.”

​

McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1 (1892)

supreme.justia.com



But....this occurred: courts altered voting rules.
“In Pennsylvania, the question was whether the state’s Supreme Court could override voting rules set by the state legislature. In North Carolina, the question was whether state election officials had the power to alter such voting rules.”
NYTimes

Sooo.....no, the election was not correctly decided, and we don't actually know who won the election.





Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.

Supremacy Clause | Wex | US Law




Good to see your sort sweatin'.....

Barking moonbats like the OP are going to get a democracy high colonic with a fire hose in November.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Barking moonbats like the OP are going to get a democracy high colonic with a fire hose in November.

I can only hope you are correct......but I've seen the GOP snatch defeat from the jaws of victory before.

Our side lacks the killer instinct that the Wehrmacht has.


Now......when I become Queen.....things will change.

You think Trump's tweets were mean??????

"Trample the weak and hurtle the dead."

 

[JGalt]

Maybe you forgot but you volunteered that information retard

Of course I did. And you responded exactly in the way I manipulated you into responding.

You leftists are such mindless knee-jerk reactive little froggies.

 

[Lastamender]

The present debate about the independent state legislature theory—a disingenuous interpretation of constitutional clauses that would grant state legislatures tremendous power to defy state courts and even ignore the states’ popular votes in presidential elections—is in large part a question of how much power the demos should have in our democracy. Recent years have seen no shortage of similar democracy-limiting ideas, rulings, laws, and proposals, such as the Supreme Court’s 2013 Shelby County decision, which opened the door to unnecessarily restrictive voting laws, and 2019 Rucho decision, which made partisan gerrymandering nonjusticiable.

Consider also the longstanding trope that “the United States is a republic, not a democracy”—a truism that conservative politicians and writers, perhaps forgetting that it was once the slogan of the ultra-right John Birch Society and associated with opposition to civil rights, have for decades routinely deployed as if it were a decisive rebuttal to anyone who argues that perhaps a bit more power in our political system should be put in the hands of the people.

Based on this understanding, elected officials prop up the parts of our system of government that make it easier for them to obtain and hold onto power while also making it difficult for the people to hold them culpable for unprincipled or incongruous actions. Without sufficient accountability, legislative bodies can disregard the expressed democratic will whenever they deem the people unfit to decide for themselves.

Tilting Our Politics Back Toward Democracy - The Bulwark

What the old trope about the United States being “a republic, not a democracy” misses about the American system.

www.thebulwark.com

This is a stunningly prescient concern for the damage entities like Faux can do to the public square.

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

I thought this was a fascinating piece. It's now up for discussion, which, I hope we can keep out of the gutter.

 

[gipper]

The present debate about the independent state legislature theory—a disingenuous interpretation of constitutional clauses that would grant state legislatures tremendous power to defy state courts and even ignore the states’ popular votes in presidential elections—is in large part a question of how much power the demos should have in our democracy. Recent years have seen no shortage of similar democracy-limiting ideas, rulings, laws, and proposals, such as the Supreme Court’s 2013 Shelby County decision, which opened the door to unnecessarily restrictive voting laws, and 2019 Rucho decision, which made partisan gerrymandering nonjusticiable.

Consider also the longstanding trope that “the United States is a republic, not a democracy”—a truism that conservative politicians and writers, perhaps forgetting that it was once the slogan of the ultra-right John Birch Society and associated with opposition to civil rights, have for decades routinely deployed as if it were a decisive rebuttal to anyone who argues that perhaps a bit more power in our political system should be put in the hands of the people.

Based on this understanding, elected officials prop up the parts of our system of government that make it easier for them to obtain and hold onto power while also making it difficult for the people to hold them culpable for unprincipled or incongruous actions. Without sufficient accountability, legislative bodies can disregard the expressed democratic will whenever they deem the people unfit to decide for themselves.

Tilting Our Politics Back Toward Democracy - The Bulwark

What the old trope about the United States being “a republic, not a democracy” misses about the American system.

www.thebulwark.com

This is a stunningly prescient concern for the damage entities like Faux can do to the public square.

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

I thought this was a fascinating piece. It's now up for discussion, which, I hope we can keep out of the gutter.

There is no democracy in the US. It has become a quasi-Fascist state controlled by a small cabal of elites and big corporations.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Keep your mind closed to other points of view. Good strategy.

There's that now infamous lack of self-awareness again.

 

[Lesh]

Of course I did. And you responded exactly in the way I manipulated you into responding.

You leftists are such mindless knee-jerk reactive little froggies.

So your admission that you were a John Birch Society supporter was designed to get you called out as a racist nutjob?

Cool

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

So much for keeping the discussion out of the gutter. I suppose it was always a Quixotic request.

Since your discussion always slides into the same gutter anyway.

But you do get some extra points for the semi-appropriate use of "quixotic".

 

[scruffy]

So much for keeping the discussion out of the gutter. I suppose it was always a Quixotic request.

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The present debate about the independent state legislature theory—a disingenuous interpretation of constitutional clauses that would grant state legislatures tremendous power to defy state courts and even ignore the states’ popular votes in presidential elections—is in large part a question of how much power the demos should have in our democracy. Recent years have seen no shortage of similar democracy-limiting ideas, rulings, laws, and proposals, such as the Supreme Court’s 2013 Shelby County decision, which opened the door to unnecessarily restrictive voting laws, and 2019 Rucho decision, which made partisan gerrymandering nonjusticiable.

Consider also the longstanding trope that “the United States is a republic, not a democracy”—a truism that conservative politicians and writers, perhaps forgetting that it was once the slogan of the ultra-right John Birch Society and associated with opposition to civil rights, have for decades routinely deployed as if it were a decisive rebuttal to anyone who argues that perhaps a bit more power in our political system should be put in the hands of the people.

Based on this understanding, elected officials prop up the parts of our system of government that make it easier for them to obtain and hold onto power while also making it difficult for the people to hold them culpable for unprincipled or incongruous actions. Without sufficient accountability, legislative bodies can disregard the expressed democratic will whenever they deem the people unfit to decide for themselves.

Tilting Our Politics Back Toward Democracy - The Bulwark

What the old trope about the United States being “a republic, not a democracy” misses about the American system.

www.thebulwark.com

This is a stunningly prescient concern for the damage entities like Faux can do to the public square.

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

I thought this was a fascinating piece. It's now up for discussion, which, I hope we can keep out of the gutter.

Yeah, that whole free press thing has outlived it's usefulness. Hasn't it?

 

[scruffy]

This is a place for acrimony, gratuitous insults, childish videos, and unsubstantiated claims.

That seems to be the standard ethic and standard operating procedure.

When in Rome...