Thursday Night Football

[Oldstyle]

What's amazing is that you Patriot haters accuse Brady and Belichick of "cheating" because they used balls that were deflated yet in the second half of the Colts game Brady tore the Colt's defense apart with balls that had been checked for proper inflation rates...and the Patriots have the best winning percentage in the NFL since Deflategate! So have they found some OTHER way to cheat?

 

[Alex.]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

Gee, Alex...did Belichick "cheat" against the Cardinals? Did he "cheat" against the Texans? The only person who is hopelessly lost in this string is you!

I never claimed Belicheat cheated, you are introducing that idea.

 

[Alex.]

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

If that were the case why didn't the owner of the Patriots fight the fines and lost of draft picks in court? Why didn't Brady fight the four game suspension further while he had a chance to clear his name if he had nothing to hide?
Why wasn't the interview, if there was one, with the Patriots ball boys whether they deflated the balls or who told them to deflate the ball made public? Why did Brady destroy his phone? Etc, etc, etc....

Kraft didn't fight the fine or the loss of a first round draft pick because he was led to believe that by doing so Brady WOULDN'T be suspended. Did you miss Kraft's anger at Roger Goodell when Goodell imposed the four game suspension? He was livid!

I'm guessing that Brady didn't take the case to the Supreme Court because he'd been advised by council that more likely than not the High Court would rule that Goodell did have the power to impose any penalty he wanted. It wouldn't have been a chance to clear his name because it wouldn't have been a judgement on whether or not he cheated...but rather a judgement on whether or not Goodell had ultimate power to impose whatever punishment he chose! So Brady might still have faced a four game suspension and it might come during the playoffs.

OldfartStyle: "Kraft didn't fight the fine or the loss of a first round draft pick because he was led to believe that by doing so Brady WOULDN'T be suspend"

How do you know this?

 

[Alex.]

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

OldfartStyle: "Goodell abused his authority."


Nonsense, if he did the suspension would have been overturned in the courtroom.

 

[sealybobo]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

After so many Superbowl victories, you don't think the Pats threw that game the year they had a perfect record? Oh yea right they went and lost to the NY Giants. Sure they did. You believe that? HA! Do you know what the odds were? They made a killing on that Superbowl suckers!

 

[sealybobo]

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

I'm familiar with the cheating incidents with Belicheck but not Pete Carrol. What did he do or is alleged to have done?

He didn't hand the ball off to beast mode. He personally willed the ball from Westbrook's hand into that defenders for the interception.

 

[sealybobo]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

Is that common knowledge? Is that how the sporting world sees it? I hadn't heard that.

 

[sealybobo]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

My hunch was correct,i was getting ready to ask you if it was old fart style or pooper you were talking to.I KNEW it had to be one of them they so much have their head up brady and belicheats asses.

Would you be Brad Pitt's fluffer one night in exchange for getting to bang Angelie Jolie once in the morning after?

Would you risk Hep C and **** Pam Anderson? I mean the young one. God knows what she looks like now.

And would you be Tom Brady's fluffer for a night to be with Gizelle in the morning? I probably would. The only one I would not do is Pam Anderson. No ***** is worth Hep C.

But just a cock in the hand? Big deal.

 

[antiquity]

Kraft didn't fight the fine or the loss of a first round draft pick because he was led to believe that by doing so Brady WOULDN'T be suspended. Did you miss Kraft's anger at Roger Goodell when Goodell imposed the four game suspension? He was livid!

Well duh.....losing your #1 quarterback would cause anyone including Kraft to be livid.....

I'm guessing that Brady didn't take the case to the Supreme Court because he'd been advised by council that more likely than not the High Court would rule that Goodell did have the power to impose any penalty he wanted. It wouldn't have been a chance to clear his name because it wouldn't have been a judgement on whether or not he cheated...but rather a judgement on whether or not Goodell had ultimate power to impose whatever punishment he chose! So Brady might still have faced a four game suspension and it might come during the playoffs.

All I want is the statements from the ball boys on who directed them to deflate the footballs.....then we can get on with what really happened without speculation. Why is this information being covered up?

 

[antiquity]

My point is that the NFL totally FAILED to prove that Tom Brady or anyone else on the Patriots for that matter deflated balls to a lower than legal level! It was why the lower court judge ruled in Brady's favor.

According to the Colts something was amiss and the refs seem to agree when they were removing and replacing the Patriots balls during that game.

 

[antiquity]

Would you be Brad Pitt's fluffer one night in exchange for getting to bang Angelie Jolie once in the morning after?

Would you risk Hep C and **** Pam Anderson? I mean the young one. God knows what she looks like now.

And would you be Tom Brady's fluffer for a night to be with Gizelle in the morning? I probably would. The only one I would not do is Pam Anderson. No ***** is worth Hep C.

But just a cock in the hand? Big deal.

All ***** is good...some ***** just better than others.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

OldfartStyle: "Goodell abused his authority."


Nonsense, if he did the suspension would have been overturned in the courtroom.

good point there on goodell not abusing his power.lol

Logic and common sense never register with OFS.lol The case closed part you are talking about is brady and belicheat are cheaters and how they are the spolied rich brats of the NFL who get away with scandal after scandal and have created the biggest one since the black sox scandal,that CANT Be refuted,the case IS closed on that.

 

[B. Kidd]

Did the Texans dump their coach, yet?...............

 

[LA RAM FAN]

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

After so many Superbowl victories, you don't think the Pats threw that game the year they had a perfect record? Oh yea right they went and lost to the NY Giants. Sure they did. You believe that? HA! Do you know what the odds were? They made a killing on that Superbowl suckers!

the ONLY difference between pro football and pro wrestling as i have said many times before in the past is that the outcome doesnt ALWAYS go the way they plan it and the way they want it to turn out to be. They wanted the cheats to go undefeated and WOULD have gotten what they wanted if not for something they never counted on and nobody could have predicted.

That Giants receiver making a miracle one in a million catch on a 4th and 10 that only gets caught pretty much that many times,a one in a million long shot..the NFL thought for sure thought things would go there way but he spoiled their plans.

There was a game earlier in the year against the Ravens on a monday night game i remember seeing.The refs made a couple of critical cl bad calls against the Ravens that cost them the game.Some of the Raven players spoke the truth after that game saying the refs gave the pats that game cause the NFL wanted them to go undefeated.

Kudos for those Raven players coming out speaking the truth and unafraid of the punishment they probably got for doing that.I admire them for having the guts to speak the truth about the NFL.

Back then because the chargers were my favorite team back then,I was an AFC guy,i always rooted for the AFC team to win so I was bummed out the pats lost that game.I was bummed out because I wanted to see them go undefeated since I was not around at the time the dolphins had their undefeated season.

I would really like to see a team do that sometime in my lifetime but each year keeps slipping away. being an AFC guy the last 20 years,I actually rooted FOR the pats in their first five superbowls. It was not till deflategate that i realised they had been in one scandal after another going back years.

It doesnt take a genius to see Goodel has his head up Krafts ass they way they get off with scandal after scandal that other teams get punished for for MUCH LESSER offenses.

some other owner had they defended bradys actions like that,would have lost ownership of the team. Like i said before,there was one former official who came out and said that rams/pats superbowl where the pats defenders were allowed to mug the rams recievers,was easily the worst officiated game he had ever seen in his life saying he had sen high school refs do 10 times a better job than those clowns did and as i said before,even Rams reciever Issac Bruce said back then he had never been in a game before where the defenders were allowed to mug him like they did.

Lets see,the pats benefitted from the worst call in NFL playoff history the tuck rule in that raiders game allowing them to go the superbowl,then the refs do the worst officiating job ever in that superbowl-"and remember I was the happiest man alive back then the rams lost since they were in st louis.: they get away with scandal after scandal other teams get punished for,sure these superbowl and playoff games are not rigged and the pats dont get special treatment.

 

[Alex.]

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

OldfartStyle: "Goodell abused his authority."


Nonsense, if he did the suspension would have been overturned in the courtroom.

good point there on goodell not abusing his power.lol

Logic and common sense never register with OFS.lol The case closed part you are talking about is brady and belicheat are cheaters and how they are the spolied rich brats of the NFL who get away with scandal after scandal and have created the biggest one since the black sox scandal,that CANT Be refuted,the case IS closed on that.

The sun never sets on the cheaters and losers of the NFL they will always be spoken about in the midst of scandal and asterisks.

 

[sealybobo]

Kraft didn't fight the fine or the loss of a first round draft pick because he was led to believe that by doing so Brady WOULDN'T be suspended. Did you miss Kraft's anger at Roger Goodell when Goodell imposed the four game suspension? He was livid!

Well duh.....losing your #1 quarterback would cause anyone including Kraft to be livid.....

I'm guessing that Brady didn't take the case to the Supreme Court because he'd been advised by council that more likely than not the High Court would rule that Goodell did have the power to impose any penalty he wanted. It wouldn't have been a chance to clear his name because it wouldn't have been a judgement on whether or not he cheated...but rather a judgement on whether or not Goodell had ultimate power to impose whatever punishment he chose! So Brady might still have faced a four game suspension and it might come during the playoffs.

All I want is the statements from the ball boys on who directed them to deflate the footballs.....then we can get on with what really happened without speculation. Why is this information being covered up?

Behind the scene Brady probably admitted to godell he was involved and godell gave him 4 games off. This deal was made before last year's Superbowl.

Now new England is laughing because they still haven't lost a game even without Brady. Truly impressive.

 

[sealybobo]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

After so many Superbowl victories, you don't think the Pats threw that game the year they had a perfect record? Oh yea right they went and lost to the NY Giants. Sure they did. You believe that? HA! Do you know what the odds were? They made a killing on that Superbowl suckers!

the ONLY difference between pro football and pro wrestling as i have said many times before in the past is that the outcome doesnt ALWAYS go the way they plan it and the way they want it to turn out to be. They wanted the cheats to go undefeated and WOULD have gotten what they wanted if not for something they never counted on and nobody could have predicted.

That Giants receiver making a miracle one in a million catch on a 4th and 10 that only gets caught pretty much that many times,a one in a million long shot..the NFL thought for sure thought things would go there way but he spoiled their plans.

There was a game earlier in the year against the Ravens on a monday night game i remember seeing.The refs made a couple of critical cl bad calls against the Ravens that cost them the game.Some of the Raven players spoke the truth after that game saying the refs gave the pats that game cause the NFL wanted them to go undefeated.

Kudos for those Raven players coming out speaking the truth and unafraid of the punishment they probably got for doing that.I admire them for having the guts to speak the truth about the NFL.

Back then because the chargers were my favorite team back then,I was an AFC guy,i always rooted for the AFC team to win so I was bummed out the pats lost that game.I was bummed out because I wanted to see them go undefeated since I was not around at the time the dolphins had their undefeated season.

I would really like to see a team do that sometime in my lifetime but each year keeps slipping away. being an AFC guy the last 20 years,I actually rooted FOR the pats in their first five superbowls. It was not till deflategate that i realised they had been in one scandal after another going back years.

It doesnt take a genius to see Goodel has his head up Krafts ass they way they get off with scandal after scandal that other teams get punished for for MUCH LESSER offenses.

some other owner had they defended bradys actions like that,would have lost ownership of the team. Like i said before,there was one former official who came out and said that rams/pats superbowl where the pats defenders were allowed to mug the rams recievers,was easily the worst officiated game he had ever seen in his life saying he had sen high school refs do 10 times a better job than those clowns did and as i said before,even Rams reciever Issac Bruce said back then he had never been in a game before where the defenders were allowed to mug him like they did.

Lets see,the pats benefitted from the worst call in NFL playoff history the tuck rule in that raiders game allowing them to go the superbowl,then the refs do the worst officiating job ever in that superbowl-"and remember I was the happiest man alive back then the rams lost since they were in st louis.: they get away with scandal after scandal other teams get punished for,sure these superbowl and playoff games are not rigged and the pats dont get special treatment.

Before I read the rest, it was a miracle that Seattle even got down to the red zone in the first place. You can't fix all that. Are there plays throughout the game that tell you pete was cheating? I'd love to watch the game with you.

Same way if you watched the 2005 pistons you'd see Chauncey billups threw the series with that ref donaghey

If anything at the time Seattle was mid field and time was running out. If Pete was cheating he had to think quick. And what if Wilson throws the touchdown? Wilson would have to be in on it and he wouldn't have gotten them inside the 10 in the first place.

 

[Oldstyle]

My point is that the NFL totally FAILED to prove that Tom Brady or anyone else on the Patriots for that matter deflated balls to a lower than legal level! It was why the lower court judge ruled in Brady's favor.

According to the Colts something was amiss and the refs seem to agree when they were removing and replacing the Patriots balls during that game.

You nailed it right on the head, Antiquity! "According to the Colts coaching staff something was amiss..."and their "proof" that something was amiss was the ball that was intercepted by one of their defensive backs. The interesting thing about THAT ball is how much it differed from all of the other 11 game balls! THAT ball was substantially under inflated! Not just a little but substantially under inflated. So how is it that the ball the Colt's DB stated didn't feel any different to him when he made the interception...the ball that didn't stand out to the officials as they were rotating balls in and out of the game on a cold and rain soaked night... the ball that was in the hands of the Colt's coaching staff before it was brought to the officials at half time...how convenient is it that THAT ball was far more under deflated than any of the other balls! So tell me who gains from having a severely under inflated ball turned into to officials? Does it help the Colts to hurt the Patriots? If I were the judge sitting listening to these allegations the first thing I'd want to know is who had custody of the ball and did anyone OTHER than the Patriots have the opportunity to deflate said ball! Why was THAT question never asked by the sham investigation that MLB commissioned?

 

[Oldstyle]

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

After so many Superbowl victories, you don't think the Pats threw that game the year they had a perfect record? Oh yea right they went and lost to the NY Giants. Sure they did. You believe that? HA! Do you know what the odds were? They made a killing on that Superbowl suckers!

the ONLY difference between pro football and pro wrestling as i have said many times before in the past is that the outcome doesnt ALWAYS go the way they plan it and the way they want it to turn out to be. They wanted the cheats to go undefeated and WOULD have gotten what they wanted if not for something they never counted on and nobody could have predicted.

That Giants receiver making a miracle one in a million catch on a 4th and 10 that only gets caught pretty much that many times,a one in a million long shot..the NFL thought for sure thought things would go there way but he spoiled their plans.

There was a game earlier in the year against the Ravens on a monday night game i remember seeing.The refs made a couple of critical cl bad calls against the Ravens that cost them the game.Some of the Raven players spoke the truth after that game saying the refs gave the pats that game cause the NFL wanted them to go undefeated.

Kudos for those Raven players coming out speaking the truth and unafraid of the punishment they probably got for doing that.I admire them for having the guts to speak the truth about the NFL.

Back then because the chargers were my favorite team back then,I was an AFC guy,i always rooted for the AFC team to win so I was bummed out the pats lost that game.I was bummed out because I wanted to see them go undefeated since I was not around at the time the dolphins had their undefeated season.

I would really like to see a team do that sometime in my lifetime but each year keeps slipping away. being an AFC guy the last 20 years,I actually rooted FOR the pats in their first five superbowls. It was not till deflategate that i realised they had been in one scandal after another going back years.

It doesnt take a genius to see Goodel has his head up Krafts ass they way they get off with scandal after scandal that other teams get punished for for MUCH LESSER offenses.

some other owner had they defended bradys actions like that,would have lost ownership of the team. Like i said before,there was one former official who came out and said that rams/pats superbowl where the pats defenders were allowed to mug the rams recievers,was easily the worst officiated game he had ever seen in his life saying he had sen high school refs do 10 times a better job than those clowns did and as i said before,even Rams reciever Issac Bruce said back then he had never been in a game before where the defenders were allowed to mug him like they did.

Lets see,the pats benefitted from the worst call in NFL playoff history the tuck rule in that raiders game allowing them to go the superbowl,then the refs do the worst officiating job ever in that superbowl-"and remember I was the happiest man alive back then the rams lost since they were in st louis.: they get away with scandal after scandal other teams get punished for,sure these superbowl and playoff games are not rigged and the pats dont get special treatment.

Before I read the rest, it was a miracle that Seattle even got down to the red zone in the first place. You can't fix all that. Are there plays throughout the game that tell you pete was cheating? I'd love to watch the game with you.

Same way if you watched the 2005 pistons you'd see Chauncey billups threw the series with that ref donaghey

If anything at the time Seattle was mid field and time was running out. If Pete was cheating he had to think quick. And what if Wilson throws the touchdown? Wilson would have to be in on it and he wouldn't have gotten them inside the 10 in the first place.

Fart Boy is an idiot who knows so little about football it's a laugh riot listening to him hold forth on the subject!

The play that Carroll called was because the Patriots brought in their heavy package on defense...playing the run in anticipation of Beastmode getting the ball...and that stacked receiver formation SHOULD have been a safe play to call. The only reason it blew up in Carroll's face is that the Patriots defense happened to run that same play in practice that week...a play on which Malcolm Butler gave up a score. When the Seahawks came to the line in that stack formation, Butler immediately recognized it as the play he'd gotten beaten on in practice and as the ball was snapped he was already jumping the route. That isn't Pete Carroll throwing the game. That's simply the Patriots being better prepared for a game time situation and taking advantage of it for a game winning interception!

 

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My point is that the NFL totally FAILED to prove that Tom Brady or anyone else on the Patriots for that matter deflated balls to a lower than legal level! It was why the lower court judge ruled in Brady's favor.

According to the Colts something was amiss and the refs seem to agree when they were removing and replacing the Patriots balls during that game.

You nailed it right on the head, Antiquity! "According to the Colts coaching staff something was amiss..."and their "proof" that something was amiss was the ball that was intercepted by one of their defensive backs. The interesting thing about THAT ball is how much it differed from all of the other 11 game balls! THAT ball was substantially under inflated! Not just a little but substantially under inflated. So how is it that the ball the Colt's DB stated didn't feel any different to him when he made the interception...the ball that didn't stand out to the officials as they were rotating balls in and out of the game on a cold and rain soaked night... the ball that was in the hands of the Colt's coaching staff before it was brought to the officials at half time...how convenient is it that THAT ball was far more under deflated than any of the other balls! So tell me who gains from having a severely under inflated ball turned into to officials? Does it help the Colts to hurt the Patriots? If I were the judge sitting listening to these allegations the first thing I'd want to know is who had custody of the ball and did anyone OTHER than the Patriots have the opportunity to deflate said ball! Why was THAT question never asked by the sham investigation that MLB commissioned?

Don't know if you are aware but Brady was complicit in this whole scheme to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of the league which resulted in him destroying evidence thereby getting suspended.