Thursday Night Football

[Borillar]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

I'm familiar with the cheating incidents with Belicheck but not Pete Carrol. What did he do or is alleged to have done?

He was accused by players at USC of throwing a game.He made some kind of call that made no sense to them at all that also cost them the game. I never took it seriously at first when he became the seahawks coach but now I have no doubt its true.It is so obvious that he took a payoff to throw the superbowl.

Pete carrol is way too much of an experienced coach to do something so idiotic to call for that pass play he did against the cheats. someone like Brian Shittenheimer,the worst offensive coordinater ever in the NFL.HIM I could see doing that but Carrol? no freaking way. None of the Seahawks could believe that he did not give the ball to Lynch either. He was running all over the pats players,they could not stop him.

Plus they were horrible all year long in stopping goal line stands.You KNOW carrol was aware of that.Plus they had plenty of time to run another play with a timeout to call as well if it did not work.

and It is not just the superbowl,I saw other games that year where I was flabbergasted over some of his costly decisions that costs them games late in the game that year.

I wont forget the Rams game in st louis last year for example that I went to. for their home opener they had. It was a game in overtime where he called for an onside kick deep in their own territory that did not work.I was like what the hell is he doing? but then I remembered the superbowl and that came as no surprise.He even went as low as saying it was the kickers decision blaming it on him,that it was his call without carrols knowledge which was BS cause the kicker said that was never his decision. I believe the kicker over carrol any day.

No question, that was a horrible call in the SB. I put more of the blame on Russel Wilson for not throwing the ball away (unless he was trying to throw the game too).

 

[Oldstyle]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

greatest coach since Lombardi? that is some funny stuff there my man. He isnt even one of the top ten.

I used to be impressed with the cheats how they did so well at home and hardly ever lost but after deflategate and spygate,I am not one bit at all impressed.

when you are bugging the other teams locker rooms and have the refs in your pockets-"other teams have said the refs allow them to hold." they got people making the headsets go out all the time on the frtitz for the visiting teams constantly yet it NEVER happens to the home team,doesnt take a genius to see Kraft gots the refs in their pockets.

PLUS he is just being the benificiarry of having having an amazing scouting department that gets player after player for him who is very talented.

I heard rumors that Brisset was even better than Jimmy G,that indeed looks to be true. Also when they lost that great kicker adam veniitari,what happened? they did not lose a beat,Gontkowski never misses same as he never did

ESPN and the sports networks always kiss his ass calling him the greatest coach ever but whats hilarious about that is that they always fail to mention the fact that while he was with the cleveland browns,he only had ONE winning season in the five years he was there.

His first year with the cheats,he has a losing season only winning six games with drew bledsoe as his QB.He didnt even think Brady was good enough yet to be a starter the next year..The next year the washed up bledsoe is the starter at the start of the season again and ONLY because he got hurt,that he put Brady in. Brady turned the franchise around that year taking them to the superbowl.

the media kept saying that Belicheat turned the organization around.the biggest lie ever invented. BRADY turned them around. the propaganda media last night left out all those details HOW they have such an advantage at home winning all the time of course.

as long as robert kraft has ownership of that team and belicheat is the coach,I will never be impressed by them winning all the time. Like I said,I give credit to the scouting department,they find talent after talent.

Bill Parcells was a far better coach than Belicheat. He took TWO different teams to superbowls and won two with one as well as taking a third that had only won one game before he joined,as far as the AFC title game.HE is a coach that amazes me cause when he took over the jets,I thought-He will never turn this organization around as good a coach he is.this team is hopeless. However I was wrong and he made them superbowl contenders.

The cheats are the politicians of the NFL.same as how politicians commit crimes everyday in washington that WE go to jail for if we commit the same crimes,the cheats get away with scandal after scandal that other NFL teams would get punished for if they did what they did.

they are the spolied rich brats of the NFL. They have tainted the sport forever and created the biggest scandal in sports since the black sox scandal. Roger Goodel has his head up Krafts ass.the four game suspension I always said was a joke,a mere slap on the wrist.

He should have been suspended an entire SEASON,Belicheat should have been kicked out of the league and Kraft sure as hell should have lost ownership of the team the fact he defended their actions.

after deflategate,I decided to never watch another NFL game ever again unless my Rams were in it and i made true on that last year not watching that game.If it were not for my Rams coming back to LA,i would be done with the NFL for good.

The fact the NFL made 3 of the first four games at home for them is so obvious to any thinking person the NFL wants to make sure they are superbowl contenders year after year.that was just a little fishy and too conveinent they scheduled them like that.come on.no behind the scenes going on so they are assured of being superbowl contenders again? yeah right.

You commit spygate like Belicheat did in college,you get kicked out of the university plain and simple.The NFL though is so corrupt though,they let it go.

they are just as much corrupt as our government is and THATS saying a lot. IF it were not for the Rams coming back to LA, I would stick to just watching the old classic games that I buy off the net.the good old days when the NFL was not corrupt like it is now.

as it is now,the only games I ever watch ARE the Rams.I have no interest in the other teams anymore. It USED to be I always watched monday night football.I did not care who was playing i did not miss it. Now,the Rams are the ONLY team i will watch.forget the rest.

On the other hand, Parcells only won Superbowls when he had Belicheck as his Defensive coordinator.

I've always maintained he was a good defensive coordinater,just not a good head coach.same as Wade Phillips.only difference in Belicheat and Phillips is Phillips never had Brady for his QB to make everyone call him the greatest coach ever.lol

Like I said,I always find the comedy in how the how ESPN kisses his ass calling him a great coach but they NEVER mention what a miserable failure he was in cleveland.lol

Belichick actually gave Cleveland a playoff contending team. If he and the Browns had stayed in Cleveland...THEY might very well be enjoying what New England has been for the past twelve years! You really are one ignorant buffoon when it comes to the NFL.

 

[Oldstyle]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

 

[Borillar]

The Browns have had some good proven coaches over the years. Rutigliano, Shottenheimer, Belicheck come to mind. Come playoff time, they just fold up like a cheap suit.

 

[Oldstyle]

The Browns have had some good proven coaches over the years. Rutigliano, Shottenheimer, Belicheck come to mind. Come playoff time, they just fold up like a cheap suit.

The same could be said about the Patriots before Belichick got there, Borillar! They were the exact opposite of what they are now.

 

[Alex.]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

Now he is hanging out for the first quarter of the season

 

[Borillar]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

 

[Alex.]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

He got suspended because he broke the rules and the NFL had the power to suspend him according to the terms of his contract. The very contract he sued the NFL to get.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

except some coachs cheat to LOSE as is the case with the pete the cheat carrol.lol which is why I find him to be even more scum than Belicheat.

I'm familiar with the cheating incidents with Belicheck but not Pete Carrol. What did he do or is alleged to have done?

He was accused by players at USC of throwing a game.He made some kind of call that made no sense to them at all that also cost them the game. I never took it seriously at first when he became the seahawks coach but now I have no doubt its true.It is so obvious that he took a payoff to throw the superbowl.

Pete carrol is way too much of an experienced coach to do something so idiotic to call for that pass play he did against the cheats. someone like Brian Shittenheimer,the worst offensive coordinater ever in the NFL.HIM I could see doing that but Carrol? no freaking way. None of the Seahawks could believe that he did not give the ball to Lynch either. He was running all over the pats players,they could not stop him.

Plus they were horrible all year long in stopping goal line stands.You KNOW carrol was aware of that.Plus they had plenty of time to run another play with a timeout to call as well if it did not work.

and It is not just the superbowl,I saw other games that year where I was flabbergasted over some of his costly decisions that costs them games late in the game that year.

I wont forget the Rams game in st louis last year for example that I went to. for their home opener they had. It was a game in overtime where he called for an onside kick deep in their own territory that did not work.I was like what the hell is he doing? but then I remembered the superbowl and that came as no surprise.He even went as low as saying it was the kickers decision blaming it on him,that it was his call without carrols knowledge which was BS cause the kicker said that was never his decision. I believe the kicker over carrol any day.

No question, that was a horrible call in the SB. I put more of the blame on Russel Wilson for not throwing the ball away (unless he was trying to throw the game too).

Before you read the rest of this,check out my last post I made on my Rams/Bucs game thread.I think you will find it VERY interesting since it has something to do with your Vikings.lol

Yeah people bring that up that if Carrol was throwing the game wouldnt Wilson have had to be involved in it as well? Not neccessarily.

Wilson wont come out and say it of course because he is naive enough to think Carrol would never do that but I guarantee he said to wilson-Throw the ball down the middle of the goal line no matter what.

after all,we learned years later that Bill Callahan,the former raiders coach threw the superbowl to the tampa bay bucs so his buddy John Gruden could win because he did not like al davis or any of the other raider players.
He was along just for the ride with Gruden when he recruited him as his offensive coordinater in Oakland.

Jerry Rice,Tim Brown,and all the Raider players came out and said that Callahan threw the game.It is so obvious to any THINKING person.Rice,Brown,and all the other Raider players are correct as well though because Tim Brown said it was the FIRST time in history as a player for not only for the Raiders but going back to his days in high school and college ball,that the coach changed the game plan just 48 hours before the game took place.

Doesnt take a rocket scientist to see they are right,that Callahan indeed DID throw that game.

I always thought it was very odd how they did not run the ball a lot more often in that game than they did. Other Raider fans I spoke to back then were astonished as I did that they did not attack their weakness pointing out that the steelers on a monday night game in tampa how THEY ran the ball against them and won the game.

I mean come on the game plan he put together earlier in the week to run against them,all the players were all excited about it and loved the plan.The Callahan changes the plan a mere 48 hours before the game,a plan that NONE of the players liked but kept it anyways? Yeah sure he did not throw the game.
Something the seahawk apologists can never answer when i ask them the question of -so since it is so obvious callahan threw the superbowl,WHY would carrol be any different? they never have any answers except come up with one excuse after another to convince themselves he did not.

Here see for yourself what I am talking about here.

http://deadspin.com/5978147/jerry-rice-and-tim-brown-say-bill-callahan-threw-super-bowl-xxxvii

that did not come out until SEVERAL years later after the superbowl.dont be surprised if we learn many facts from wilson and other seahawk players as well years later about THAT game as well.hee hee.

 

[Alex.]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

My hunch was correct,i was getting ready to ask you if it was old fart style or pooper you were talking to.I KNEW it had to be one of them they so much have their head up brady and belicheats asses.

 

[Oldstyle]

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

 

[Oldstyle]

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

He got suspended because he broke the rules and the NFL had the power to suspend him according to the terms of his contract. The very contract he sued the NFL to get.

Brady got suspended because the CBA gives the Commissioner the right to impose whatever punishment he deems appropriate on any player...not because the NFL proved that Brady cheated.

 

[Alex.]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think he's probably the greatest coach since Lombardi. On the other hand, he isn't above stretching the rules in finding competitive advantages for his team. These incidents involving the Patriots are well known to all.

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Oldstyle]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

Gee, Alex...did Belichick "cheat" against the Cardinals? Did he "cheat" against the Texans? The only person who is hopelessly lost in this string is you!

 

[Oldstyle]

Stretching the rules is what every coaching staff should be doing. This nonsense about "Deflategate" was ridiculous. You had 12 game balls and the only one that was deflated more than a slight amount (which would have been expected given the weather conditions) was the ball that the Colts had in THEIR possession and turned over to the officials at half time. Explain how that ONE ball was so much softer when none of the officials switching balls in and out of the game noticed anything different and even the Colts player who intercepted the Brady pass that GOT the Colt's their "deflated" ball said he didn't notice anything different about it either! I'm inclined to believe the Colts are the ones who deflated THAT ball after they had it in their possession. Having one ball that much more deflated than the others wouldn't be an advantage in a cold, wet game where the balls were being rotated in and out of the game to try and keep them dry...it would actually be a disadvantage because Brady back in the shotgun wouldn't have a clue what ball he was getting until it was snapped back to him.

Unless you're a complete moron all you have to do is look at what Tom Brady did AFTER half time with other balls to realize that the so called "advantage" was nothing more than hype! That deflated ball cost the Patriots a first round draft choice, a million dollar fine and the loss of their franchise quarterback for a quarter of the season...all for something that the NFL league office didn't come CLOSE to proving!

The fact that the Patriots are probably going to come out of that four game suspension with at least a 3 - 1 record and possibly a 4 - 0 record shows me that Karma DOES exist!

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

 

[antiquity]

Brady didn't need to cheat no. But he did anyways.

It's true if you ain't cheating you ain't trying but when you get caught you get suspended 4 games

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

If that were the case why didn't the owner of the Patriots fight the fines and lost of draft picks in court? Why didn't Brady fight the four game suspension further while he had a chance to clear his name if he had nothing to hide?
Why wasn't the interview, if there was one, with the Patriots ball boys whether they deflated the balls or who told them to deflate the ball made public? Why did Brady destroy his phone? Etc, etc, etc....

 

[antiquity]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

Gee, Alex...did Belichick "cheat" against the Cardinals? Did he "cheat" against the Texans? The only person who is hopelessly lost in this string is you!

Totally irrelevant...What's to say balls prior to the 2015 Colts game wasn't deflated?

 

[Oldstyle]

How did Brady cheat? By wanting balls at the low end of the allowable inflation scale? He got suspended because Roger Goodell wanted to show the NFL Players Union that he had the ultimate power to decide punishments...not because it was ever proven he cheated.

I hope the next time the league and players have to work out a CBA, they don't leave so much power with the Commissioner.

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point. I don't think the players ever thought this would be an issue but Goodell has proven to be a stubborn ass when it comes to "his" power! He knows they never proved Brady cheated. The judge in the lower court case practically laughed at the investigation that was done by the NFL! Do you remember his asking the NFL's lawyer "Is that all you've got?" in disbelief?

According to a court of law Goodell did exactly as his the contract allowed him to. You do not know what you are talking about.

I said that already you moron. The CBA allowed Goodell to impose punishment on a player despite not proving guilt. You can bet it will be amended because of the way that Goodell abused his authority.

If that were the case why didn't the owner of the Patriots fight the fines and lost of draft picks in court? Why didn't Brady fight the four game suspension further while he had a chance to clear his name if he had nothing to hide?
Why wasn't the interview, if there was one, with the Patriots ball boys whether they deflated the balls or who told them to deflate the ball made public? Why did Brady destroy his phone? Etc, etc, etc....

Kraft didn't fight the fine or the loss of a first round draft pick because he was led to believe that by doing so Brady WOULDN'T be suspended. Did you miss Kraft's anger at Roger Goodell when Goodell imposed the four game suspension? He was livid!

I'm guessing that Brady didn't take the case to the Supreme Court because he'd been advised by council that more likely than not the High Court would rule that Goodell did have the power to impose any penalty he wanted. It wouldn't have been a chance to clear his name because it wouldn't have been a judgement on whether or not he cheated...but rather a judgement on whether or not Goodell had ultimate power to impose whatever punishment he chose! So Brady might still have faced a four game suspension and it might come during the playoffs.

 

[Oldstyle]

Damn! I was way off in my expectations for tonight's game. It's as if Belicheat can just plug anybody in and get success. Unreal.

"Belicheat"? Can't quite get it through your head that Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL HANDS DOWN...can you, Borillar? Cheating? Tonight was a clinic.

Does not mean Belicheat is not a cheater or that you are not hopelessly lost in your hero worship.

Gee, Alex...did Belichick "cheat" against the Cardinals? Did he "cheat" against the Texans? The only person who is hopelessly lost in this string is you!

Totally irrelevant...What's to say balls prior to the 2015 Colts game wasn't deflated?

What's to prove that anyone's balls were deflated or over inflated in a prior game?

My point is that the NFL totally FAILED to prove that Tom Brady or anyone else on the Patriots for that matter deflated balls to a lower than legal level! It was why the lower court judge ruled in Brady's favor.