Those who insist Christians are attempting to establish a theocracy....

[NYcarbineer]

Defining marriage as one man one woman is demanding an adherence to the Judeo-Christian version of marriage.

Considering it's the only version of marriage that exists, period through all religions and cultures, to pretend it's only a Judeo-christian version, is a bit deceptive, don't you think?

So we're writing polygamy out of the history books now? You prove to be more comically stupid every day.

 

[Avatar4321]

If Republican Christians had the power to establish a theocracy, don't you think there would already be one? Just a little common sense.

More to the point, why would we want one? I want a government where you cant stop me from worshiping God as He has directed. I want the freedom and the privilege of serving Him. Why would I want to empower anyone to take that right away?

 

[Avatar4321]

No. It's demanding adherence to the dictionary. We don't give a shit who you sleep with or whether or not you enjoy the same rights married couples do. Just don't call it "marriage".

Is that due to the Christian copyright on "marriage"?

No, fool I already stated why and offered that I support "civil unions". It has nothing to do with my religion. My former religion would see gays burn in hell. My current religion has no building, copyrights or dogma.

What is your current religion?

 

[Dragonlady]

This is what happens when yahoos tell people they don't have a right to practice their religion.

You have the right to practice your religion. You just don't have the right to enact laws which reflect your particular version of morality, based on your religion's beliefs. That's why prayers aren't allowed in public schools. Because everyone's beliefs are different and out of respect for others who's beliefs are not the same as ours, we don't inflict our beliefs on them.

 

[Avatar4321]

This is what happens when yahoos tell people they don't have a right to practice their religion.

You have the right to practice your religion. You just don't have the right to enact laws which reflect your particular version of morality, based on your religion's beliefs. That's why prayers aren't allowed in public schools. Because everyone's beliefs are different and out of respect for others who's beliefs are not the same as ours, we don't inflict our beliefs on them.

yeah. Actually we do have the right to enact laws which reflect our particular version of morality. What exactly do you think laws do? why on earth should you be able to pass laws that reflect your morality or lack thereof, and yet assume that because we are people of faith that right has been taken from us? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

What do you think politics is if not enforcing your beliefs on someone else?

 

[Political Junky]

This is what happens when yahoos tell people they don't have a right to practice their religion.

You have the right to practice your religion. You just don't have the right to enact laws which reflect your particular version of morality, based on your religion's beliefs. That's why prayers aren't allowed in public schools. Because everyone's beliefs are different and out of respect for others who's beliefs are not the same as ours, we don't inflict our beliefs on them.

yeah. Actually we do have the right to enact laws which reflect our particular version of morality. What exactly do you think laws do? why on earth should you be able to pass laws that reflect your morality or lack thereof, and yet assume that because we are people of faith that right has been taken from us? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

What do you think politics is if not enforcing your beliefs on someone else?

This was posted earlier. Establishing a state religion is certainly theocracy.

Proposed Bill in North Carolina Would Establish a State Religion | TheBlaze.com

 

[Dragonlady]

yeah. Actually we do have the right to enact laws which reflect our particular version of morality. What exactly do you think laws do? why on earth should you be able to pass laws that reflect your morality or lack thereof, and yet assume that because we are people of faith that right has been taken from us? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

What do you think politics is if not enforcing your beliefs on someone else?

Laws enforce rights, not beliefs. There have been attempts at legislating morality but these laws are doomed to failure. Prohibition, prostitution, drugs - abject failures, as well as the laws which made certain sex acts illegal, including homosexuality.

Politics is all about giving people choices and letting the people decide, or if you're Republican, giving the people a choice and then ignoring the will of the people and continuing to obstruct their wishes.

 

[koshergrl]

The will of the people is that abortion be legal only in cases of rape and to save the life of the mother.

Something that progressives like to ignore. The people didn't vote in RvW. The courts had to go over their head.

 

[sfcalifornia]

The will of the people is that abortion be legal only in cases of rape and to save the life of the mother.

Something that progressives like to ignore. The people didn't vote in RvW. The courts had to go over their head.

You ignore the fact that this country isn't governed by mob-rule.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

The will of the people is that abortion be legal only in cases of rape and to save the life of the mother.

Something that progressives like to ignore. The people didn't vote in RvW. The courts had to go over their head.

You also ignore the fact that the majority of this country, both men and women as independent groups, are PRO-CHOICE.

So no, that's not the will of the people. That's the will of you.

 

[Dragonlady]

Only 20% of Americans want abortion banned in all circumstances.

 

[koshergrl]

And the rest believe in abortion is SOME circumstances. Rape and medical necessity. That's it.

And we always had that option. It's a lie to insist that women who were raped couldn't get an abortion....but it's one of the favorite memes of the baby killers. Because the majority of Americans see abortion as murder. So you have to lie to justify it.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

actually, you just made that claim. no one else here has. so no, don't blame others for your straw man.

The majority of the country is still pro-choice. Deal with it.

 

[koshergrl]

You deal with it. Abortion is going bye bye.

"Abortion-rights advocates here have felt particularly on the defensive this year because of the sheer number of bills introduced and their sweeping scope."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/u...rict-abortion-limits.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[JakeStarkey]

No state religion will be passed in this evironment.

Christians, like everybody else, have the right to believe what they wish.

Christians may pass laws that reflect their religious values that do not conflict with the Constitution.

OK, all of this is settled. Close the thread.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Those who insist Christians are attempting to establish a theocracy....

Please provide your evidence. Quotes and links of proposed legislation that seek to establish a theocracy in the US.

Thank you.

N.C. Lawmakers;
Push For State Religion​

 

[SmarterThanHick]

You deal with it. Abortion is going bye bye.

"Abortion-rights advocates here have felt particularly on the defensive this year because of the sheer number of bills introduced and their sweeping scope."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/u...rict-abortion-limits.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

More bills being shot down in no way constitutes abortion going bye bye. Are you delusional? Is there a single piece of legislature overturning Roe v Wade that you know of?

Yes, more religious fundamentalists are whining. The majority of the country is still pro-choice, and abortion legislation is not in threat of being changed. Until such event occurs, you you'll just need to keep believing in your delusions.

 

[rdean]

Please provide your evidence. Quotes and links of proposed legislation that seek to establish a theocracy in the US.

Thank you.

Clearly, you don't know what "theocracy" means. if you did, you could connect the dots between it and the Republican Party state platforms.

If Republican Christians had the power to establish a theocracy, don't you think there would already be one? Just a little common sense.

Don't you think they would have completely ended women's rights if they could have? They keep trying.

Come on now. Keep up.

 

[koshergrl]

You ******* idiot.

"The Republican Party pioneered the right of women to vote and was consistent in its support throughout the long campaign for acceptance. It was the first major party to advocate equal rights for women and the principle of equal pay for equal work"

"
By 1870, the Massachusetts Republican State Convention had already seated two suffragettes, Lucy Stone and Mary A. Livermore, as delegates. In addition, the National Republican Convention of 1872 approved a resolution favoring the admission of women to “wider fields of usefulness” and added that “the honest demand of this class of citizens for additional rights … should be treated with respectful consideration.”
Wyoming, the state that pioneered women’s suffrage, sent two women, Therese A. Jenkins and Cora G. Carleton, to the 1892 Republican Convention in Minneapolis as alternate delegates. This was the first time women were seated at a Republican National Convention.
This convention was also the first to be addressed by a woman, J. Ellen Foster, chairman of the Women’s Republican Association of the United States. A strong believer in organization, Foster said her association had prepared work plans for women’s involvement in national politics. Copies were given to each delegate and alternate. “We are here to help you,” she declared, “and we are here to stay.”
At the request of Susan B. Anthony, Sen. A.A. Sargent, a Republican from California, introduced the 19th Amendment in 1878. Sargent’s amendment (also known as the Susan B. Anthony Amendment) was defeated four times by a Democrat-controlled Senate. When the Republican Party regained control of Congress in 1919, the Equal Suffrage Amendment finally passed the House in May of that year and in the Senate in June.
When the Amendment was submitted to the states, 26 of the 36 states that ratified it had Republican legislatures."

National Federation of Republican Women

 

[JakeStarkey]

Times have changed, kg, obviously, and unless the GOP reaches out sincerely to women, more than 90 years after the 19th Amendment's ratification, we won't have to worry about it, because the GOP will be in the minority until it does.