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They don’t have to quit. That is why we created a Civil Service. To protect the workforce from political pressure and retaliation.Illegal things should be pretty obvious. Again, if they can't figure that out, they should resign.
As we can see from the GAO report, illegal things are not always obvious. Two different agencies have two different opinions about what the law requires.
Then until adjudicated it isn't illegal.
So you want people to do things they think are illegal but haven't been specifically told are illegal?
I love the conversations we find ourselves in as a result of this president. The questions we are having to ask ourselves are just astounding.
If they think they are illegal they should quit. If they just disagree politically they should shut up and do their fucking job.
Don't blame the President, blame career civil servants who think they outright the President.
Trump seems to be the only President who thinks the workforce must be loyal to his needs
Civil Servants pledge to follow the law. They do not have to resign if they feel they are being asked to violate the law. That is why each agency has an Inspector General.They were implemented with the assumption that the civil servants were at a level where they do not decide on policy, only implement it. What has happened is political level jobs have been transferred over to civil service jobs, and this is clearly an abuse of the civil service system.
When in conflict, they should resign. If they can't do the job, then they should get out.
Trump is not firing people for not following his policy. He is firing them for reporting violations of public law.
They are not being asked to violate the law, they are often being asked to implement policy they don't like. Then they pretend that it is against the law to justify their refusal to do their fucking jobs.
That is up to the independent inspectors to determine. Trump is exploiting Civil Service law and bullying workers into being afraid to report on him.
He is firing intelligence officials who do not agree with his conspiracy theories
He threatens weather service employees who rely on scientific weather predictions and contradict his personal weather predictions
He threatens scientists who report there is global warming
He fires State Department employees for following existing international laws
He sets the policy, not unelected wonks. If they don't like it they can resign. if they can find actual unconstitutional actions they can report it.
And when the policy says you should tell people in Alabama that a hurricane is headed their way when you know scientific evidence says it is not?
When the policy says scientists are not allowed to report evidence of a global warming threat?
When the policy says you must cover for a president who is offering military aid in return for personal favors?
If civil servants are going to start taking sides
Such as?
All the leaks about what the President is doing with regards to the various agencies, resisting implementing the policies of the President.
State Department bureaucrat caught plotting ‘deep state’ resistance: Project Veritas
A single bureaucrat no one ever heard of? To be honest, Trump should thank some of his underlings for not doing what he demands. It's kept him in office and out of scandal since he's been known to order them to do things that aren't particularly legal. Just think if they went through with Trump's demand to fire Mueller.
So unelected bureaucrats should have the ability to override the elected person placed in the office by the people?
Fuck no.
If what they are being told to do is unconstitutional, then yes.
If they think they are being asked to do unconstitutional things they need to resign and report.
No they should not have to resign because an administration craps on the Constitution.
No they should not have to resign because an administration craps on the Constitution.
Translation
"They" = government "workers" appointed by W and O.... should be able to break FISA warrant laws to get at Trump, to lie about a phony Hillary funded "russian dossier" and attempt to use it as "serious intel." Low IQ Joe should be able to get kickbacks to son Hunter on US foreign aid packages, and those who allowed him to are "good people" because they vote DEM too......
Proof of "good" = you are against Trump
Proof of "bad" = not being against Trump
They don’t have to quit. That is why we created a Civil Service. To protect the workforce from political pressure and retaliation.As we can see from the GAO report, illegal things are not always obvious. Two different agencies have two different opinions about what the law requires.
Then until adjudicated it isn't illegal.
So you want people to do things they think are illegal but haven't been specifically told are illegal?
I love the conversations we find ourselves in as a result of this president. The questions we are having to ask ourselves are just astounding.
If they think they are illegal they should quit. If they just disagree politically they should shut up and do their fucking job.
Don't blame the President, blame career civil servants who think they outright the President.
Trump seems to be the only President who thinks the workforce must be loyal to his needs
When they start taking political sides, it defeats the purpose of the laws.
They are supposed to be cogs in the machine, nothing more, implementing political policy decided by political appointees, appointed by the only Constitutional Authority in the branch, i.e. the President.
If civil servants are going to start taking sides, we need to go back to the spoils system.
A person doing his job is not partisanCivil Servants pledge to follow the law. They do not have to resign if they feel they are being asked to violate the law. That is why each agency has an Inspector General.
Trump is not firing people for not following his policy. He is firing them for reporting violations of public law.
They are not being asked to violate the law, they are often being asked to implement policy they don't like. Then they pretend that it is against the law to justify their refusal to do their fucking jobs.
That is up to the independent inspectors to determine. Trump is exploiting Civil Service law and bullying workers into being afraid to report on him.
He is firing intelligence officials who do not agree with his conspiracy theories
He threatens weather service employees who rely on scientific weather predictions and contradict his personal weather predictions
He threatens scientists who report there is global warming
He fires State Department employees for following existing international laws
He sets the policy, not unelected wonks. If they don't like it they can resign. if they can find actual unconstitutional actions they can report it.
And when the policy says you should tell people in Alabama that a hurricane is headed their way when you know scientific evidence says it is not?
When the policy says scientists are not allowed to report evidence of a global warming threat?
When the policy says you must cover for a president who is offering military aid in return for personal favors?
The first item is not policy.
The 2nd is a political matter, and the president decides the politics.
The 3rd item has been found to be meritless and over.
scientist providing findings that do not support the presidents policy that global warming is a myth is not taking sides
Didn’t bother to read your BS propagandascientist providing findings that do not support the presidents policy that global warming is a myth is not taking sides
REALLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
How about this one. We know that cities warm as they grow, the Urban Heat Sink effect. Co2 is in the ATMOSPHERE, so if atmospheric Co2 rises, then atmospheric temps should too, or THE THEORY IS WRONG.....
The DATA....
Key claim against global warming evaporates
" satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling."
and what did your "honest, non-partisan 'scientists'" do to that DATA that REFUTED the FRAUD of Co2 based climate change???
They fudged BOTH with uncorrelated "corrections," so while the highly correlated raw data from the two and only two instruments measuring atmospheric temps showed NO WARMING, your "heroes" claim there is.....
Who else was like you, who thinks bilking the shit out of the American taxpayer over a lie is more important than truth???
The cowardly closeted compromised Cocksucker in Chief....
obama climate silence 2010 2012 - Google Search
Now, explain to us again what caused her to be SILENT on this issue for two years????
I read that report earlier today. Only a moron would expect ANYONE to keep traitors and those trying to stop them from implementing their policies employed...DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon
Yesterday’s Campaign Update focused on the efforts by Acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Ric Grenell to identify and get rid of the bad actors remaining embeded within the Intelligence Community (IC), and the panic that is creating in the Deep State and its corrupt media hacks at the New York Times.
Today, Jonathan Swan – who is actually a pretty solid working journalist – at Axios has a report that will drive the Brennans, Comeys and Clappers of the world even crazier: It turns out that President Trump has assigned people within his body of trusted advisors to spend the last year-and-a-half compiling lists of disloyal government officials, along with names of Trump supporters who are qualified and willing to replace them.
As reported by Swan:
The Trump White House and its allies, over the past 18 months, assembled detailed lists of disloyal government officials to oust — and trusted pro-Trump people to replace them — according to more than a dozen sources familiar with the effort who spoke to Axios.
Driving the news: By the time President Trump instructed his 29-year-old former body man and new head of presidential personnel to rid his government of anti-Trump officials, he’d gathered reams of material to support his suspicions.
While Trump’s distrust has only intensified since his impeachment and acquittal, he has long been on the hunt for “bad people” inside the White House and U.S. government, and fresh “pro-Trump” options. Outside advisers have been happy to oblige. Oh, man, heads must be exploding at the Times, the Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC over this one. And can you imagine the nervous breakdowns taking place all over the offices of the CIA, FBI, DOJ and State Department?
Perhaps the best part of Swan’s piece is his concluding paragraph:
The bottom line: As the New York Times’ Peter Baker wrote on Saturday, “in some of the most critical corners of the Trump administration, officials show up for work now never entirely sure who will be there by the end of the evening — themselves included.”
Good. Great. Fantastic. This is three years overdue, a house-cleaning the President has been counseled to forego due to political factors and the interminable coup d’etat effort against him led by Rod Rosenstein, Robert Mueller, Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi.
Now that the idiotic impeachment scam has run its course, President Trump – according to Swan – feels liberated, free to finally rid his administration of seditious Obama/Bush/Clinton holdovers and put his own people into key positions. In every previous presidential administration in our history, this kind of house-cleaning was considered to be standard operating procedure. But due to the efforts of the Deep State and its corrupt media toadies, it has taken three long years enduring constant leaks, subversions and betrayals for this President to feel free to finally do what he was elected to do.
Man, this is going to be some fun.
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I realize he had to get many judges in who would actually support the law of the land instead of protect their cronies.
But it has been frustrating to watch and wait, although, watching the dems implode has been entertaining.....and it will go ballistic when he wins a second term!....
Trump has purged the Intelligence community and the State Department
America is weaker for it
Trump's paranoia is matching that of Kim in Korea. I wonder when he might start executing family members because he thinks they aren't loyal enough, like Kim did.
Trump says lots of things. His supporters eats it up but he rarely follows through. He has this down pat.
Trump's paranoia is matching that of Kim in Korea. I wonder when he might start executing family members because he thinks they aren't loyal enough, like Kim did.
If you really think he would start using AA guns to mow down his political opponents, then your TDS is terminal.
i don't expect it to happen today, but he has made it clear he admires the behavior of murdering third world dictators.
Lol, that you expect it at all and continue to go with the whole "Trump likes dictators" based on him dealing with them via normal run of the mill diplomacy just shows you have gone off the deep end.
Change your name to Chihuahua, because that's more like your personality, a shaking little dog that pees when confronted.
Trump doesn't know what run of the mill diplomacy is. Here's a hint, the fawning he does to dictators is not it.
Trump's paranoia is matching that of Kim in Korea. I wonder when he might start executing family members because he thinks they aren't loyal enough, like Kim did.
They were implemented with the assumption that the civil servants were at a level where they do not decide on policy, only implement it. What has happened is political level jobs have been transferred over to civil service jobs, and this is clearly an abuse of the civil service system.
When in conflict, they should resign. If they can't do the job, then they should get out.
Trump has purged the Intelligence community and the State Department
America is weaker for it
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Meanwhile you never made a peep or complained when Obama nearly destroyed our economy, military with his purges. Where were you then? Indeed you were praising him.
Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years ...
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obam
Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years ... to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our ...
************Military readiness was undermined by Obama experiments ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/23/...
Jul 23, 2017 · They destroyed unit integrity, cohesiveness and the “will to win.” Clearly, under President Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America, the degradation of our military forces was a key ..
************.Obama's Plan to Destroy America Has Failed Miserably - The ...
https://prospect.org/power/obama-s-plan-destroy-america-failed-miserably
Nov 07, 2016 · Barack Obama will be president for only two more months, and any judgment of his presidency will have to account for all he failed to accomplish. Consider this partial list of things Obama was supposed to do but never did: Destroy America's image and influence in the world; Dismantle our military…
