This One is Not Going to Work

[Foxfyre]

Not equal access.

What is not equal about having one official language in which government and business is done? What is fair about ballots or other government documents being done in English and Spanish but not accommodating more than 7000 other languages in the world?

Having everybody learn English and having one official language in a country in which 80+% of the citizens speak English is a huge incentive for new immigrants or existing citizens to learn the language. Those who don't know the language need to bring an interpreter along unless the government office or the business happens to have somebody who speaks their language.

 

[MisterBeale]

178 out of the 195 countries in the world have an official language.

If every nation banned free speech, would that be a good argument for getting rid of it?

If every nation banned folks right to arms and self-defense, would that be a good argument to do that?


This argument only PROVES to me, how superior and free our system is.


When you start repeating the talking points of globalists and petty authoritarians? You've already lost that discussion IMO.

The USA cannot accommodate the more than 7000 languages spoken in the world.

I does not need to. And if this administration wants to discontinue support of other languages besides English? Whatever. E.O.s are silly, and most intelligent folks know this.

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[Foxfyre]

If every nation banned free speech, would that be a good argument for getting rid of it?

If every nation banned folks right to arms and self-defense, would that be a good argument to do that?


This argument only PROVES to me, how superior and free our system is.


When you start repeating the talking points of globalists and petty authoritarians? You've already lost that discussion IMO.



I does not need to. And if this administration wants to discontinue support of other languages besides English? Whatever. E.O.s are silly, and most intelligent folks know this.


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There is no suggestion of banning free speech or dictating what language people may use at their discretion. But to do government business or in most case private business they would need to be able to do that in the official language of the land. We have not one single person in the White House/West Wing or in all of Congress who cannot speak very good English. And many of those people are naturalized citizens from non English speaking countries.

I doubt Mexican ballots are printed in anything other than Spanish.

I doubt French ballots are printed in anything other than French.

I doubt German ballots are printed in anything other than German.

A official language of the country is beneficial to the citizens in many ways, not the least of which it encourage all to learn that language at least well enough to do business in that language, read warning and road signs etc.

 

[MisterBeale]

I doubt Mexican ballots are printed in anything other than Spanish.

I doubt French ballots are printed in anything other than French.

I doubt German ballots are printed in anything other than German.

hmmmmm. . . maybe you don't know, but how elections are conducted is a state affair.
IOW, there are NO United States ballots.


Only New York ballots, Florida ballots, Texan ballots, etc.


The only authority the FEDS have over it is the;

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

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Which is based upon enforcement of various amendments.

Honestly, if a state wants to pass a language law? Fine, it is whatever those citizens choose to vote for. There is no Constitution protection of languages of citizens that I am aware.

. . . but there is nothing in the Constitution that allows for the Feds getting involved in that debate.

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We'll just have to disagree on whether this is a good idea for the most pluralistic nation on the planet, whose entire population is based on, and descended from immigration.

 

[otto105]

Any natural born citizen who cannot speak English is going to to be severely disadvantaged living in America. But making English the official language and not accommodating other languages so much could be a huge incentive to stop being lazy and learn the common language in which most of us do business and increase our knowledge. And that would be a huge advantage to that citizen.

So, why should the government mandate it?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Hard to take a survey of opinion in any meaningful way.

Now you are being intellectually dishonest.

 

[Foxfyre]

hmmmmm. . . maybe you don't know, but how elections are conducted is a state affair.
IOW, there are NO United States ballots.


Only New York ballots, Florida ballots, Texan ballots, etc.


The only authority the FEDS have over it is the;

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which is based upon enforcement of various amendments.

Honestly, if a state wants to pass a language law? Fine, it is whatever those citizens choose to vote for. There is no Constitution protection of languages of citizens that I am aware.

. . . but there is nothing in the Constitution that allows for the Feds getting involved in that debate.

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We'll just have to disagree on whether this is a good idea for the most pluralistic nation on the planet, whose entire population is based on, and descended from immigration.

Doesn't change or rebut my argument in the least.

 

[Foxfyre]

So, why should the government mandate it?

Still haven't taken that remedial reading comprehension course I see. I stand by my post.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

America is being America. America has never had an official language. Hundreds of languages have always been spoken in America. Can't get more American than that.

What language are all our founding documents written in? How is business conducted? What language is taught in our school?
You are being intellectually dishonest again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

GUESS you never travel,?
I sure like the help with directions & info in English when visiting other country's.
PLUS WE make a lot of MONEY off the tourists coming here.
Just a thought, always another side to every story.

Tourists don't live here, and they especially don't vote.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Stop playing stupid.

He's not playing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There's that constitutional problem again.

You need to expound on that simplistic answer because no one understands your point. That's the problem. and it's not constitutional.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It guarantees equal protection under the law, voting rights, and non-discrimination.

They can vote when they understand how to do so. If not, they have no right to be a citizen. It is an immigration requirement. If they are born here, they must learn English.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Did you vote for SS, Medicare and the VA to be cut?

Your imagination is running away with you again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm talking about natural born citizens. Why can't anyone pay attention?

Why do you keep insisting that a natural born citizen does not have to speak English? That's a completely stupid concept, not based on any reality.

 

[Unkotare]

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It's not that hard. Spanish is based in the same language group that English is.





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Spanish is a Romance language. English is a Germanic language.

 

[otto105]

Your imagination is running away with you again.

Answer the question.

 

[Unkotare]

Of course it is the point. We should not make it more convenient and easier and thereby discourage people to be disadvantaged.

Sounds like you want the government to control citizens lives.

 

[Unkotare]

No it isn't. 178 out of the 195 countries in the world have an official language. Some recognize one or more other languages but the language of government and business is the rule.

The USA cannot accommodate the more than 7000 languages spoken in the world. The sensible thing is to have one language for the conduct of government and business and education. That in no way dictates what language anybody speaks otherwise.

Since when do we give a shit what "everyone else" does?

 

[Unkotare]

People who don't exercise or who eat a diet of junk food don't cost me anything personally. ...

Of course they do.