THIS is why I say Israel is fascist

[irosie91]

Ńo you just got caught again for fraudulent citing. LOL

Check the book, dingleball. It seems like a sound citation to me.

And when was the FIRST TIME I allegedly "got caught for fraudulently citing." I don't remember that ever happening.

I'll bet I can find other sources as well.

Now remember the point is that these were unarmed civilians who had not participated in anything. And they were massacred at Israel's instigation.

ROFLMAO -----"Israel's instigation" gee again-----arabs decide that they are SOOOOO
stupid that all a jew has to do is say "hey guys -----go and kill each other" and they do it

I must tell the Knesset----- "boys---you are playing a dangerous game---
what happens if some arabs tell some jews ----'hey jews from tel aviv---
go kill the jews over in Beersheba' " that might work---because of the
Ashkenazi , Sephardi schism------tell all your friends, Aenmity

of course right now------the jews did tell the Shiites and sunnis in Iran ---"go
kill each other" so they are doing it. Zionist world control is so much fun

 

[flacaltenn]

Too late, you already said you agreed with everything else.
And really, people, this has been a matter of public record for 30+ years. None of this is new or uncontested by history at this point.

If you want to read my Jerusalem Fund lady's testimony, you will have to buy that book. Its copyrighted, so its not online. I hope you're not one of the people on here who refuse to read books?
I have well justified my title: I say its fascist because it meets the dictionary definition of fascism. You can say whatever you want. You see the fun side of Israel. The Palestinians don't.

And my conclusions follow logically from proven premises. No demurral will be forthcoming.

Is this clowning around suppose to convince anyone? You obviously have no concern for your credibility with theatrics like that post above. But your declaration of victory was the only actual information that I got out this thread. What you have here is a propaganda opinion with NO FACTS to back it up. And I am not at all impressed by that.

 

[amity1844]

This is worthless to prove your premise that Israel lied about anything to the militias. Does not mention even what the "revelations" might have been. And why are you not CITING where in the Wiki you got this?

This quote

According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[28] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[29] The meeting concluded at 3:00 pm 16 September.[26]

is in the Wikipedia article cited in the original post, January 11, revision.

 

[aris2chat]

I did find out that the source was apparently Hobeika himself, Bachir Gemayel's bodyguard and commander of the Kataeb forces that carried out the killing.

When he was accused of war crimes, he blamed Israel and promised to testify to the "whole story." Then he was assasinated. By whom?

Just before his death, Hobeika publicly declared his intention to testify against Sharon about his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre in the Belgian court. Josy Dubié, a Belgian senator, was quoted as saying that Hobeika had told him several days before his death that he had "revelations" to disclose about the massacres and felt "threatened". When Dubié had asked him why he did not reveal all the facts he knew immediately, Hobeika is reported to have said: "I am saving them for the trial". At a news conference, he said, "I am very interested that the [Belgium] trial starts because my innocence is a core issue."[3]

Will get more later.

This is worthless to prove your premise that Israel lied about anything to the militias. Does not mention even what the "revelations" might have been. And why are you not CITING where in the Wiki you got this?

Hobeika did offer to testify against Sharon. Syria was never going to let that happen. Hobeika was too sure of himself to control any interrogation. Syria was not going to be subpoenaed and was not going to let Hobeika run his mouth and incriminate Syria.
Hobeika became a liability so his car was rigged within feet of the syria check point.
I was sorry for Gina and Joseph but not sorry for Hobeika's end, after all he was responsible for so many assassination of Lebanese since he had Syrian protection.

 

[irosie91]

The Goebbels rationale "I wrote it 47 times----therefore it is written---therefore it must be
true"

more than 600 years ago----Maimonides wrote "be very careful of that which you write---
that it is correct and true---because once something is written----people tend to believe
it"

 

[amity1844]

Ńo you just got caught again for fraudulent citing. LOL

Check the book, dingleball. It seems like a sound citation to me.

And when was the FIRST TIME I allegedly "got caught for fraudulently citing." I don't remember that ever happening.

I'll bet I can find other sources as well.

Now remember the point is that these were unarmed civilians who had not participated in anything. And they were massacred at Israel's instigation.

ROFLMAO -----"Israel's instigation" gee again-----arabs decide that they are SOOOOO
stupid that all a jew has to do is say "hey guys -----go and kill each other" and they do it

I must tell the Knesset----- "boys---you are playing a dangerous game---
what happens if some arabs tell some jews ----'hey jews from tel aviv---
go kill the jews over in Beersheba' " that might work---because of the
Ashkenazi , Sephardi schism------tell all your friends, Aenmity

of course right now------the jews did tell the Shiites and sunnis in Iran ---"go
kill each other" so they are doing it. Zionist world control is so much fun

I think there is more truth to this than you even intend, Roudy. Israel might well one day be proven to be at the bottom of most of the upheaval in the Arab world. They have been doing it since at least the Lavon Affair.

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Palestinians are pretty savvy about Israel's lies and manipulation and treachery. Others have to learn the hard way like the Palestinians did.

 

[flacaltenn]

I did find out that the source was apparently Hobeika himself, Bachir Gemayel's bodyguard and commander of the Kataeb forces that carried out the killing.

When he was accused of war crimes, he blamed Israel and promised to testify to the "whole story." Then he was assasinated. By whom?

Just before his death, Hobeika publicly declared his intention to testify against Sharon about his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre in the Belgian court. Josy Dubié, a Belgian senator, was quoted as saying that Hobeika had told him several days before his death that he had "revelations" to disclose about the massacres and felt "threatened". When Dubié had asked him why he did not reveal all the facts he knew immediately, Hobeika is reported to have said: "I am saving them for the trial". At a news conference, he said, "I am very interested that the [Belgium] trial starts because my innocence is a core issue."[3]

Will get more later.

This is worthless to prove your premise that Israel lied about anything to the militias. Does not mention even what the "revelations" might have been. And why are you not CITING where in the Wiki you got this?

Now you are being dishonest.. THIS IS POST WHERE I QUESTIONED YOUR CITATION.
See my next post below for how you deflected.

 

[amity1844]

The Goebbels rationale "I wrote it 47 times----therefore it is written---therefore it must be
true"

more than 600 years ago----Maimonides wrote "be very careful of that which you write---
that it is correct and true---because once something is written----people tend to believe
it"

Well, there is also the not-so-small matter of it being the truth. Like I said, this is pretty much the consensus on what happens. Israel doesn't even officially deny very much of this.

You see ya'll whine on and on about how the "animals" kill your babies without even considering that there might be very good reasons for their anger. And so far, not a one of you has even said "oops" let alone "I'm sorry."

 

[aris2chat]

I did find out that the source was apparently Hobeika himself, Bachir Gemayel's bodyguard and commander of the Kataeb forces that carried out the killing.

When he was accused of war crimes, he blamed Israel and promised to testify to the "whole story." Then he was assasinated. By whom?

Just before his death, Hobeika publicly declared his intention to testify against Sharon about his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre in the Belgian court. Josy Dubié, a Belgian senator, was quoted as saying that Hobeika had told him several days before his death that he had "revelations" to disclose about the massacres and felt "threatened". When Dubié had asked him why he did not reveal all the facts he knew immediately, Hobeika is reported to have said: "I am saving them for the trial". At a news conference, he said, "I am very interested that the [Belgium] trial starts because my innocence is a core issue."[3]

Will get more later.

This is worthless to prove your premise that Israel lied about anything to the militias. Does not mention even what the "revelations" might have been. And why are you not CITING where in the Wiki you got this?

ami copied from the Elie Hobeika Wiki page with the reference to Obituary: Elie Hobeika | World news | The Guardian
Neither tells more than a fraction of his story.

One of my schools used to be two buildings down from the bombing. The principle, her husband and their two son were close family friends.

 

[Indeependent]

The Goebbels rationale "I wrote it 47 times----therefore it is written---therefore it must be
true"

more than 600 years ago----Maimonides wrote "be very careful of that which you write---
that it is correct and true---because once something is written----people tend to believe
it"

Well, there is also the not-so-small matter of it being the truth. Like I said, this is pretty much the consensus on what happens. Israel doesn't even officially deny very much of this.

You see ya'll whine on and on about how the "animals" kill your babies without even considering that there might be very good reasons for their anger. And so far, not a one of you has even said "oops" let alone "I'm sorry."

And Muslims kill each other because the Jews pissed them off?
You do realize the extent to which you are insulting the intellect of Muslims.

 

[flacaltenn]

This is worthless to prove your premise that Israel lied about anything to the militias. Does not mention even what the "revelations" might have been. And why are you not CITING where in the Wiki you got this?

This quote

According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[28] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[29] The meeting concluded at 3:00 pm 16 September.[26]

is in the Wikipedia article cited in the original post, January 11, revision.

Thats my question about a different post above your deflection. Are you further trying to bury your cred? Dishonesty too?

 

[amity1844]

I got at least one source:

According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28] The meeting concluded at 3:00 pm 16 September.[25]

Citation 28 is Robert Fisk, The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East, page 484, 488-489.

I just told you the source was a book. What you provided is an uncited allegation that the book confirms this. And if I recall, this is NOT the exact wording of the Wiki page I think you are citing.

If you were a child learning to do his first citation, I couldn't do more for you. I copied and pasted from the wiki page, Jan 11, 2014. Go get the book on interlibrary loan and let us know what it says.

I have got to go, really, got to wash hair, do laundry, get packed, organize some food, etc. I am perfectly willing to answer all questions and challenges, but please give me until Wednesday.

BFN binat wa shabab ma salame over and out

 

[aris2chat]

Ńo you just got caught again for fraudulent citing. LOL

Check the book, dingleball. It seems like a sound citation to me.

And when was the FIRST TIME I allegedly "got caught for fraudulently citing." I don't remember that ever happening.

I'll bet I can find other sources as well.

Now remember the point is that these were unarmed civilians who had not participated in anything. And they were massacred at Israel's instigation.

ROFLMAO -----"Israel's instigation" gee again-----arabs decide that they are SOOOOO
stupid that all a jew has to do is say "hey guys -----go and kill each other" and they do it

I must tell the Knesset----- "boys---you are playing a dangerous game---
what happens if some arabs tell some jews ----'hey jews from tel aviv---
go kill the jews over in Beersheba' " that might work---because of the
Ashkenazi , Sephardi schism------tell all your friends, Aenmity

of course right now------the jews did tell the Shiites and sunnis in Iran ---"go
kill each other" so they are doing it. Zionist world control is so much fun

Can you imagine the world if Israel really did have even a small fraction of the "power" that everyone credits them with to change the world?
They sure would not use it to f*ck with the world or make themselves targets to billions of would be fanatics, but to improve life for all.

 

[Indeependent]

I got at least one source:


Citation 28 is Robert Fisk, The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East, page 484, 488-489.

I just told you the source was a book. What you provided is an uncited allegation that the book confirms this. And if I recall, this is NOT the exact wording of the Wiki page I think you are citing.

If you were a child learning to do his first citation, I couldn't do more for you. I copied and pasted from the wiki page, Jan 11, 2014. Go get the book on interlibrary loan and let us know what it says.

I have got to go, really, got to wash hair, do laundry, get packed, organize some food, etc. I am perfectly willing to answer all questions and challenges, but please give me until Wednesday.

BFN binat wa shabab ma salame over and out

Aw shit!
Do you realize how boring USMB is without your nonsense?

 

[irosie91]

The Goebbels rationale "I wrote it 47 times----therefore it is written---therefore it must be
true"

more than 600 years ago----Maimonides wrote "be very careful of that which you write---
that it is correct and true---because once something is written----people tend to believe
it"

Well, there is also the not-so-small matter of it being the truth. Like I said, this is pretty much the consensus on what happens. Israel doesn't even officially deny very much of this.

You see ya'll whine on and on about how the "animals" kill your babies without even considering that there might be very good reasons for their anger. And so far, not a one of you has even said "oops" let alone "I'm sorry."

you kill babies when you are angry? gee I don't for what happened---
speak to aris -----you can trust her----she is not a jew like me

you raise an interesting idea------my hubby's grandma----was--before he was born---
and she was still a young woman------raped and killed (along with the two infants
that were in her arms) ---that took place in the shariah cesspit-----does that
mean he should go and kill a few Yemeni babies? we got Yemeni neighbors.

oh yeah-----and the family house-----they could not sell it----it just got
CONFISCATED more babies? I have a problem-----hard for me
to kill---------I have a hard time stepping on a bug-----and babies---no matter
which babies------even deformed babies------grip my heart. I should not be---
so surprised-----but it never ceases to amaze me when ANYONE----justifies
slitting the throat of an infant. Its not even a female thing-----even those giant
burly orthopedic surgeons melt-------over infants

try not to get angry at anyone------at least not when there is an infant around

 

[irosie91]

btw----I have run into a few Lebanese maronites-----who are also angry.

one of my son's bestest friends-----in the USA----is a Syrian Christian---
HIS father is very angry. His father ran to Israel and----is a citizen ----
the son describes him as MORE LIKUD THAN LIKUD-----and absolutely
convinced that no muslims should live in Israel Even he has not
killed babies

 

[Roudy]

Ńo you just got caught again for fraudulent citing. LOL

Check the book, dingleball. It seems like a sound citation to me.

And when was the FIRST TIME I allegedly "got caught for fraudulently citing." I don't remember that ever happening.

I'll bet I can find other sources as well.

Now remember the point is that these were unarmed civilians who had not participated in anything. And they were massacred at Israel's instigation.

Check out what, dipweed? All you're good at is false citations and quoting from conspiracy, Islamofacist, Neo Nazi blogs. Nobody takes you seriously on this forum.

 

[amity1844]

LOOK, I provided you with one good source for the one fact that has been questioned. It is your responsibility to follow up. You're pretending I should go down to the library, get this book, scan those pages, upload to the internet and post a link, and then come to your place and hold your effing eyelids open so you can read. It ain't happening.

Now look folks, I have done everything expected of a quality researcher, but ...

I CAN'T FIX COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

 

[Roudy]

The Goebbels rationale "I wrote it 47 times----therefore it is written---therefore it must be
true"

more than 600 years ago----Maimonides wrote "be very careful of that which you write---
that it is correct and true---because once something is written----people tend to believe
it"

Well, there is also the not-so-small matter of it being the truth. Like I said, this is pretty much the consensus on what happens. Israel doesn't even officially deny very much of this.

You see ya'll whine on and on about how the "animals" kill your babies without even considering that there might be very good reasons for their anger. And so far, not a one of you has even said "oops" let alone "I'm sorry."

And Muslims kill each other because the Jews pissed them off?
You do realize the extent to which you are insulting the intellect of Muslims.

Yup, according to Enmity, they're animals who can't control themselves, and whoever riles up the animals up is at fault.

 

[aris2chat]

I have a hard time stepping on a bug

If you saw the size of the cockroaches we had you would be chasing them with a baseball bat. We had them in the 3 to 5 inch range around the garbage shoot and around the kitchen.

I'd pin them on a board and compare them in size throughout the year

My hamsters did not get along with them at all, especially when they would try to get in to their nest stash of food.

Vast difference between bug and babies, I've seen both splattered. Bugs I'd chop up and give to my reptiles. Babies have an intoxicating smell when clean and cuddly (they can sometimes have a strong toxic smell when they need diapers changed).

Do the river dance stomp on the bugs