This is actual common sense gun control….that actually targets criminals, and not normal gun owners.

[2aguy]

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

See…..all you have to do is skip the first 2 sentences of that post and you support exactly what I said. The other 2…….If I sell a gun to a family member I do not need to get a background check. And the sole purpose to background checks on individual sales is to get universal gun registration.

You can already arrest criminals who own or carry guns…you don't need background checks for an individual sale to do that…..and you can already use current police techniques to catch anyone intentionally selling guns to felons…

So background checks for private sales are unnecessary….

The purpose of background checks is to make sure you are not selling guns to criminals

Wouldn't you, as a gun owner, want to know that?

Yes I would…but I will never support mandating it for private sales..since the goal is registration of guns, the only way universal background checks could ever work…….to keep guns out of the hands of normal people…since criminals will never experience a background check before they get their illegal gun.

Criminals will simply use someone with a clean record to buy my individual gun…the same way they do for gun stores, gun shows. They will send in someone with a clean record to buy my gun…making the extra time, money and hassle pointless….

But…..as I have posted before…it will make "Transfers" of guns almost impossible….since the real goal is to make anytime a normal gun owner hands a gun to another person an illegal act without a background check…..

Since the anti gunners have changed the word "Sale" to "Transfer" in order to attack normal gun owners. That way if you want someone to watch your guns while you are on vacation….background check…and to pick up your guns from that person…background check….to let your friend try your gun at the range…background check….to take a gun safety class…background check…


The anti gunners cannot be trusted. They changed the word SALE…to TRANSFER for a reason……..and I have posted more in depth discussions of those reasons before…..and it has nothing to do with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals….

Their goal is registration…and later confiscation…….

 

[2aguy]

gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

This has been said before. Better gun registration how? What specific change, addition or deletion to gun registration would you recommend added or changed?

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. Making sure that the federal dada base reflects all relevant information when someone at a gun show tries to buy a weapon. And a waiting period of 48 hours to do any background check whether someone is purchasing a weapon at a gun show or at a licensed gun shop.

And once that information is available keeping guns away from crazies, criminals and abusers

What does registration actually do to stop a criminal or a mass shooter from getting the gun….? Can you at least explain that? None of you anti gun loons ever will…..

And if criminals steal a gun…did the background check work? If a criminal uses a straw purchaser….did the background check work? If the criminal sends a straw purchaser to a gun show…did the background check work? if the criminal sends a straw purchaser to buy a gun from an individual..did the background check work?

Please explain.

I can

Registration sets up a line of possession. Gun is used in a crime, you can determine who the last legal owner was and how the gun got into possession of a criminal

If the criminal stole your gun you can provide a police report

And it is pointless….they tried it for 15 million long guns in Canada…and it was so expensive, wasted so much time and manpower, and no one was doing it, that they stopped it……

But for anti gun lunatics like you….it will turn normal gun owners into felons over night…..

 

[rightwinger]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

I got a better one

You sell a gun to a criminal...YOU get 5 years no parole for each gun you sell

Dumb idea. Why is it you guys always focus on the normal, law abiding gun owner…..that is your whole focus….you really hate them don't you?

Normal, law abiding gun owners do not sell weapons to known criminals

If you do so....you are not a normal law abiding gun owner. You are a criminal

Criminals lie. Since citizens are not cops, they are not going to be held to doing criminal background checks. The criminal knows they can't own or carry the gun….arrest them. Problem solved.

But it really makes you mad to think that you can't arrest normal gun owners doesn't it….?

In our state, a background check is not required for individuals selling a gun, but most of the ones I know would either (1) not sell to someone they don't know, or (2) take it to the local gun shop for a background check to be performed prior to sale. That's how 'normal law abiding gun owners' think. Not that background checks and registration are useless.

I can't understand why our USMB gun nuts want to sell guns to criminals

"Prosecute HIM for buying it, not ME for selling it"

 

[2aguy]

gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

This has been said before. Better gun registration how? What specific change, addition or deletion to gun registration would you recommend added or changed?

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. Making sure that the federal dada base reflects all relevant information when someone at a gun show tries to buy a weapon. And a waiting period of 48 hours to do any background check whether someone is purchasing a weapon at a gun show or at a licensed gun shop.

And once that information is available keeping guns away from crazies, criminals and abusers

What does registration actually do to stop a criminal or a mass shooter from getting the gun….? Can you at least explain that? None of you anti gun loons ever will…..

And if criminals steal a gun…did the background check work? If a criminal uses a straw purchaser….did the background check work? If the criminal sends a straw purchaser to a gun show…did the background check work? if the criminal sends a straw purchaser to buy a gun from an individual..did the background check work?

Please explain.

I can

Registration sets up a line of possession. Gun is used in a crime, you can determine who the last legal owner was and how the gun got into possession of a criminal

If the criminal stole your gun you can provide a police report

And since the gun was reported stolen…..registration did nothing to prevent the crime or solve it…..a useless waste of time, money and manpower…but….it does allow you to know who legally owns the gun for later confiscation…just like in Germany, Britain and Australia…..

 

[rightwinger]

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

See…..all you have to do is skip the first 2 sentences of that post and you support exactly what I said. The other 2…….If I sell a gun to a family member I do not need to get a background check. And the sole purpose to background checks on individual sales is to get universal gun registration.

You can already arrest criminals who own or carry guns…you don't need background checks for an individual sale to do that…..and you can already use current police techniques to catch anyone intentionally selling guns to felons…

So background checks for private sales are unnecessary….

The purpose of background checks is to make sure you are not selling guns to criminals

Wouldn't you, as a gun owner, want to know that?

Yes I would…but I will never support mandating it for private sales..since the goal is registration of guns, the only way universal background checks could ever work…….to keep guns out of the hands of normal people…since criminals will never experience a background check before they get their illegal gun.

Criminals will simply use someone with a clean record to buy my individual gun…the same way they do for gun stores, gun shows. They will send in someone with a clean record to buy my gun…making the extra time, money and hassle pointless….

But…..as I have posted before…it will make "Transfers" of guns almost impossible….since the real goal is to make anytime a normal gun owner hands a gun to another person an illegal act without a background check…..

Since the anti gunners have changed the word "Sale" to "Transfer" in order to attack normal gun owners. That way if you want someone to watch your guns while you are on vacation….background check…and to pick up your guns from that person…background check….to let your friend try your gun at the range…background check….to take a gun safety class…background check…


The anti gunners cannot be trusted. They changed the word SALE…to TRANSFER for a reason……..and I have posted more in depth discussions of those reasons before…..and it has nothing to do with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals….

Their goal is registration…and later confiscation…….

You sell your gun to an intermediary who passed a background check, you are off the hook

Police come after you, you provide proof of a background check on John Doe at such and such an address .....Police go after John Doe and not you

Sounds fair doesn't it?

 

[2aguy]

I got a better one

You sell a gun to a criminal...YOU get 5 years no parole for each gun you sell

Dumb idea. Why is it you guys always focus on the normal, law abiding gun owner…..that is your whole focus….you really hate them don't you?

Normal, law abiding gun owners do not sell weapons to known criminals

If you do so....you are not a normal law abiding gun owner. You are a criminal

Criminals lie. Since citizens are not cops, they are not going to be held to doing criminal background checks. The criminal knows they can't own or carry the gun….arrest them. Problem solved.

But it really makes you mad to think that you can't arrest normal gun owners doesn't it….?

In our state, a background check is not required for individuals selling a gun, but most of the ones I know would either (1) not sell to someone they don't know, or (2) take it to the local gun shop for a background check to be performed prior to sale. That's how 'normal law abiding gun owners' think. Not that background checks and registration are useless.

I can't understand why our USMB gun nuts want to sell guns to criminals

"Prosecute HIM for buying it, not ME for selling it"

Yes…..prosecute the criminal who knows they can't own the gun…the actual criminal.

Don't punish the guy who didn't know he was a criminal…..

We focus on the actual criminal…see how that works?

You want to punish the sinner…the one who is a normal gun owner selling a legal product.



Sooooo…..I guess you also support registering all electronic equipment……and if someone sells an old iPad, iPhone, Laptop or computer to a known felon……a child molestor or Identity thief….they should go to jail too…right? Following your logic…right?

 

[Rouge Rover]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

Isn't this really just the same thing as blaming the gun?

 

[rightwinger]

gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

This has been said before. Better gun registration how? What specific change, addition or deletion to gun registration would you recommend added or changed?

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. Making sure that the federal dada base reflects all relevant information when someone at a gun show tries to buy a weapon. And a waiting period of 48 hours to do any background check whether someone is purchasing a weapon at a gun show or at a licensed gun shop.

And once that information is available keeping guns away from crazies, criminals and abusers

What does registration actually do to stop a criminal or a mass shooter from getting the gun….? Can you at least explain that? None of you anti gun loons ever will…..

And if criminals steal a gun…did the background check work? If a criminal uses a straw purchaser….did the background check work? If the criminal sends a straw purchaser to a gun show…did the background check work? if the criminal sends a straw purchaser to buy a gun from an individual..did the background check work?

Please explain.

I can

Registration sets up a line of possession. Gun is used in a crime, you can determine who the last legal owner was and how the gun got into possession of a criminal

If the criminal stole your gun you can provide a police report

And since the gun was reported stolen…..registration did nothing to prevent the crime or solve it…..a useless waste of time, money and manpower…but….it does allow you to know who legally owns the gun for later confiscation…just like in Germany, Britain and Australia…..

It is not a waste of manpower to track down a murder weapon.

It is you who wants to set up roadblocks to the investigation

 

[2aguy]

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

See…..all you have to do is skip the first 2 sentences of that post and you support exactly what I said. The other 2…….If I sell a gun to a family member I do not need to get a background check. And the sole purpose to background checks on individual sales is to get universal gun registration.

You can already arrest criminals who own or carry guns…you don't need background checks for an individual sale to do that…..and you can already use current police techniques to catch anyone intentionally selling guns to felons…

So background checks for private sales are unnecessary….

The purpose of background checks is to make sure you are not selling guns to criminals

Wouldn't you, as a gun owner, want to know that?

Yes I would…but I will never support mandating it for private sales..since the goal is registration of guns, the only way universal background checks could ever work…….to keep guns out of the hands of normal people…since criminals will never experience a background check before they get their illegal gun.

Criminals will simply use someone with a clean record to buy my individual gun…the same way they do for gun stores, gun shows. They will send in someone with a clean record to buy my gun…making the extra time, money and hassle pointless….

But…..as I have posted before…it will make "Transfers" of guns almost impossible….since the real goal is to make anytime a normal gun owner hands a gun to another person an illegal act without a background check…..

Since the anti gunners have changed the word "Sale" to "Transfer" in order to attack normal gun owners. That way if you want someone to watch your guns while you are on vacation….background check…and to pick up your guns from that person…background check….to let your friend try your gun at the range…background check….to take a gun safety class…background check…


The anti gunners cannot be trusted. They changed the word SALE…to TRANSFER for a reason……..and I have posted more in depth discussions of those reasons before…..and it has nothing to do with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals….

Their goal is registration…and later confiscation…….

You sell your gun to an intermediary who passed a background check, you are off the hook

Police come after you, you provide proof of a background check on John Doe at such and such an address .....Police go after John Doe and not you

Sounds fair doesn't it?

Nope……not my job…..requires universal registration….

You do know that Haynes v. United STates that actual criminals do not have to register their illegal guns ….right? So therefore normal gun owners will be protected by that same ruling…right?

 

[2aguy]

This has been said before. Better gun registration how? What specific change, addition or deletion to gun registration would you recommend added or changed?

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. Making sure that the federal dada base reflects all relevant information when someone at a gun show tries to buy a weapon. And a waiting period of 48 hours to do any background check whether someone is purchasing a weapon at a gun show or at a licensed gun shop.

And once that information is available keeping guns away from crazies, criminals and abusers

What does registration actually do to stop a criminal or a mass shooter from getting the gun….? Can you at least explain that? None of you anti gun loons ever will…..

And if criminals steal a gun…did the background check work? If a criminal uses a straw purchaser….did the background check work? If the criminal sends a straw purchaser to a gun show…did the background check work? if the criminal sends a straw purchaser to buy a gun from an individual..did the background check work?

Please explain.

I can

Registration sets up a line of possession. Gun is used in a crime, you can determine who the last legal owner was and how the gun got into possession of a criminal

If the criminal stole your gun you can provide a police report

And since the gun was reported stolen…..registration did nothing to prevent the crime or solve it…..a useless waste of time, money and manpower…but….it does allow you to know who legally owns the gun for later confiscation…just like in Germany, Britain and Australia…..

It is not a waste of manpower to track down a murder weapon.

It is you who wants to set up roadblocks to the investigation

Nope……if the gun is stolen it is a waste to find the original owner thinking it will help the case…..normal police work…right now, solves crimes just fine. They can use forensics and normal police procedures to achieve everything they need, which they do right now.

 

[rightwinger]

Dumb idea. Why is it you guys always focus on the normal, law abiding gun owner…..that is your whole focus….you really hate them don't you?

Normal, law abiding gun owners do not sell weapons to known criminals

If you do so....you are not a normal law abiding gun owner. You are a criminal

Criminals lie. Since citizens are not cops, they are not going to be held to doing criminal background checks. The criminal knows they can't own or carry the gun….arrest them. Problem solved.

But it really makes you mad to think that you can't arrest normal gun owners doesn't it….?

In our state, a background check is not required for individuals selling a gun, but most of the ones I know would either (1) not sell to someone they don't know, or (2) take it to the local gun shop for a background check to be performed prior to sale. That's how 'normal law abiding gun owners' think. Not that background checks and registration are useless.

I can't understand why our USMB gun nuts want to sell guns to criminals

"Prosecute HIM for buying it, not ME for selling it"

Yes…..prosecute the criminal who knows they can't own the gun…the actual criminal.

Don't punish the guy who didn't know he was a criminal…..

We focus on the actual criminal…see how that works?

You want to punish the sinner…the one who is a normal gun owner selling a legal product.



Sooooo…..I guess you also support registering all electronic equipment……and if someone sells an old iPad, iPhone, Laptop or computer to a known felon……a child molestor or Identity thief….they should go to jail too…right? Following your logic…right?

If you sold your gun to a known criminal you are no longer a normal law abiding gun owner....YOU are a criminal

 

[2aguy]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

Isn't this really just the same thing as blaming the gun?

No….the criminal stole the gun…he committed theft. Lock him up.

 

[2aguy]

Normal, law abiding gun owners do not sell weapons to known criminals

If you do so....you are not a normal law abiding gun owner. You are a criminal

Criminals lie. Since citizens are not cops, they are not going to be held to doing criminal background checks. The criminal knows they can't own or carry the gun….arrest them. Problem solved.

But it really makes you mad to think that you can't arrest normal gun owners doesn't it….?

In our state, a background check is not required for individuals selling a gun, but most of the ones I know would either (1) not sell to someone they don't know, or (2) take it to the local gun shop for a background check to be performed prior to sale. That's how 'normal law abiding gun owners' think. Not that background checks and registration are useless.

I can't understand why our USMB gun nuts want to sell guns to criminals

"Prosecute HIM for buying it, not ME for selling it"

Yes…..prosecute the criminal who knows they can't own the gun…the actual criminal.

Don't punish the guy who didn't know he was a criminal…..

We focus on the actual criminal…see how that works?

You want to punish the sinner…the one who is a normal gun owner selling a legal product.



Sooooo…..I guess you also support registering all electronic equipment……and if someone sells an old iPad, iPhone, Laptop or computer to a known felon……a child molestor or Identity thief….they should go to jail too…right? Following your logic…right?

If you sold your gun to a known criminal you are no longer a normal law abiding gun owner....YOU are a criminal

I agree…and you can find that out without registration or background checks…..current police techniques achieve it right now. That is how they solve these cases currently…no need to register all guns or force background checks, that don't work anyway.,

 

[rightwinger]

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

See…..all you have to do is skip the first 2 sentences of that post and you support exactly what I said. The other 2…….If I sell a gun to a family member I do not need to get a background check. And the sole purpose to background checks on individual sales is to get universal gun registration.

You can already arrest criminals who own or carry guns…you don't need background checks for an individual sale to do that…..and you can already use current police techniques to catch anyone intentionally selling guns to felons…

So background checks for private sales are unnecessary….

The purpose of background checks is to make sure you are not selling guns to criminals

Wouldn't you, as a gun owner, want to know that?

Yes I would…but I will never support mandating it for private sales..since the goal is registration of guns, the only way universal background checks could ever work…….to keep guns out of the hands of normal people…since criminals will never experience a background check before they get their illegal gun.

Criminals will simply use someone with a clean record to buy my individual gun…the same way they do for gun stores, gun shows. They will send in someone with a clean record to buy my gun…making the extra time, money and hassle pointless….

But…..as I have posted before…it will make "Transfers" of guns almost impossible….since the real goal is to make anytime a normal gun owner hands a gun to another person an illegal act without a background check…..

Since the anti gunners have changed the word "Sale" to "Transfer" in order to attack normal gun owners. That way if you want someone to watch your guns while you are on vacation….background check…and to pick up your guns from that person…background check….to let your friend try your gun at the range…background check….to take a gun safety class…background check…


The anti gunners cannot be trusted. They changed the word SALE…to TRANSFER for a reason……..and I have posted more in depth discussions of those reasons before…..and it has nothing to do with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals….

Their goal is registration…and later confiscation…….

You sell your gun to an intermediary who passed a background check, you are off the hook

Police come after you, you provide proof of a background check on John Doe at such and such an address .....Police go after John Doe and not you

Sounds fair doesn't it?

Nope……not my job…..requires universal registration….

You do know that Haynes v. United STates that actual criminals do not have to register their illegal guns ….right? So therefore normal gun owners will be protected by that same ruling…right?

If you can be prosecuted for selling guns to criminals you will MAKE it your job

 

[Rouge Rover]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

Isn't this really just the same thing as blaming the gun?

No….the criminal stole the gun…he committed theft. Lock him up.

What did the guns cost? In most cases will the value even amount to a felony? I'd rather lock people up for a long time for violent crime.

 

[jillian]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

that won't prevent anything. sentences are a specific deterrant...not a general deterrant.

I have a better idea... don't give guns to spouse and child abusers and people convicted of violent crime....or people who are crazies.

gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

Wrong……registration….please explain how that does what you say you want. We keep waiting for at least one anti gunner to explain that. And if a criminal can get past current background checks by stealing their gun, buying from another criminal, or using someone with a clean record…..how will forcing individual sellers to get background checks stop them? Since they can simply use the same straw buyer in an individual sale that they would use at a gun store.

Do you guys ever think through your ideas?

i'm always amused when the dimmest of posters tries to insult my intelligence.

idiota.... perhaps you should put down the NRA propaganda, stop shilling for gun manufacturers and start learning something.

I love you anti-gubmint, freedom loving types who hate laws unless they control something that isn't something you like.

 

[M14 Shooter]

i'm always amused when the dimmest of posters tries to insult my intelligence.

As expected, you continue to avoid the question
I will ask again:
How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

 

[jillian]

i'm always amused when the dimmest of posters tries to insult my intelligence.

As expected, you continue to avoid the question
I will ask again:
How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

I've already answered it. so have other posters.

feel free to go back through my posts in this thread.

 

[M14 Shooter]

i'm always amused when the dimmest of posters tries to insult my intelligence.

As expected, you continue to avoid the question
I will ask again:
How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

I've already answered it. so have other posters.

This is a lie.
Disagree?
Cite the post.

 

[jillian]

i'm always amused when the dimmest of posters tries to insult my intelligence.

As expected, you continue to avoid the question
I will ask again:
How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

I've already answered it. so have other posters.

This is a lie.
Disagree?
Cite the post.

no loon. it isn't.

like I said, move your lazy butt and do something. if you missed the posts that's your problem.