This is actual common sense gun control….that actually targets criminals, and not normal gun owners.

[JimBowie1958]

Actually it is more expensive in the long run. You do realize how much it costs to keep a person incarcerated don't you?

Bullshit. This is money already spent in most cases and it keeps people employed anyway.

Yeah because housing 10 prisoners costs the same as thousands. Sorry but you are wrong again.

No, I agree that 10 does not equal 1,000, but 900 is the same cost in most cases as 1,000 as the housing is already constructed and the personnel already hired and paid the same either way.

 

[Brain357]

How does the seller know what future crime the buyer will commit?

If he was a choir boy when you sold the gun, you get off scott free

If he was a convicted criminal and you sell him a gun, you should go to jail

Agree?

No, you shouldn't…..you are not a cop, and guns are a legal product. Arrest the guy who bought the gun illegally, he is the criminal.

It is not legal to sell guns to criminals......you sold a gun to a criminal

You did the crime, you do the time
Maybe you will know better the next time (there will be no next time....you are now a convicted criminal and must give up all your guns)

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Sounds fair. Too many knowingly sell to criminals because it can't be proven they knew that person was a felon.

 

[2aguy]

I have a better idea... don't give guns to spouse and child abusers and people convicted of violent crime....or people who are crazies.
gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

So there shouldn't be laws against robbery since robberies happen anyway?

again….that dumb point keeps getting made by you anti gun loons.

We have speed limits. If you go 40 in a 35 mile zone then you are punished.

We have gun laws. If you use a gun to commit a crime you are arrested and jailed.

If you are a felon caught in possession of a gun you can be arrested and jailed.

See how laws actually work. You guys want the law to actually physically prevent that person from going 40 miles an hour….when all a law can do is define illegal behavior and set up a punishment when the law is broken.

 

[JimBowie1958]

It is probably harder to do when there are not guns everywhere.

Yeah, the same kind of reasoning that says'Lets ban Marijuana so it wont be as easy for people to get into drugs if we dont have pot everywhere.'

Dude, just like pot is everywhere though it is illegal, guns are also everywhere though it may be illegal and not obvious.

Back when I was a kid and public gun possession in Texas was technically illegal, the bars were still full of people carrying guns, though no one would tell a pollster that. But toss a string of Black Cats into a bar and see how many came out, lolol.

 

[2aguy]

gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

This has been said before. Better gun registration how? What specific change, addition or deletion to gun registration would you recommend added or changed?

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. Making sure that the federal dada base reflects all relevant information when someone at a gun show tries to buy a weapon. And a waiting period of 48 hours to do any background check whether someone is purchasing a weapon at a gun show or at a licensed gun shop.

And once that information is available keeping guns away from crazies, criminals and abusers

What does registration actually do to stop a criminal or a mass shooter from getting the gun….? Can you at least explain that? None of you anti gun loons ever will…..

And if criminals steal a gun…did the background check work? If a criminal uses a straw purchaser….did the background check work? If the criminal sends a straw purchaser to a gun show…did the background check work? if the criminal sends a straw purchaser to buy a gun from an individual..did the background check work?

Please explain.

 

[2aguy]

How does the seller know what future crime the buyer will commit?

If he was a choir boy when you sold the gun, you get off scott free

If he was a convicted criminal and you sell him a gun, you should go to jail

Agree?

No, you shouldn't…..you are not a cop, and guns are a legal product. Arrest the guy who bought the gun illegally, he is the criminal.

It is not legal to sell guns to criminals......you sold a gun to a criminal

You did the crime, you do the time
Maybe you will know better the next time (there will be no next time....you are now a convicted criminal and must give up all your guns)

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

 

[2aguy]

If he was a choir boy when you sold the gun, you get off scott free

If he was a convicted criminal and you sell him a gun, you should go to jail

Agree?

No, you shouldn't…..you are not a cop, and guns are a legal product. Arrest the guy who bought the gun illegally, he is the criminal.

It is not legal to sell guns to criminals......you sold a gun to a criminal

You did the crime, you do the time
Maybe you will know better the next time (there will be no next time....you are now a convicted criminal and must give up all your guns)

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Sounds fair. Too many knowingly sell to criminals because it can't be proven they knew that person was a felon.

Wrong…that is not true….please link to that information….

 

[rightwinger]

If he was a choir boy when you sold the gun, you get off scott free

If he was a convicted criminal and you sell him a gun, you should go to jail

Agree?

No, you shouldn't…..you are not a cop, and guns are a legal product. Arrest the guy who bought the gun illegally, he is the criminal.

It is not legal to sell guns to criminals......you sold a gun to a criminal

You did the crime, you do the time
Maybe you will know better the next time (there will be no next time....you are now a convicted criminal and must give up all your guns)

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

 

[2aguy]

Good, then you are volunteering to pay more in taxes for it.

Sorry but your method is going to put MORE people in jail and that means MORE money will be needed. You also falsely pair violent crime with guns. There are many types of violent crimes committed without guns.

You either put up with more taxes or shut up.







The point is EVERYONE pays less taxes in the long run when you reduce violent crime. Less people in prison means fewer taxes to pay for them (the prisons) overall. More violent felons locked up forever means fewer cops needed to investigate their crimes which means less of them and the whole system begins to shrink. That is the point.

Most violent gun crime is committed by people who have committed violent crimes before. They are a small percentage of the overall criminal population. Why is it that YOU want to see them continuously released?

Yes. But most mass shootings are committed by people with legal weapons

You would have to link to that since you are wrong….you should say almost all mass public shootings are committed with legal weapons…on that you would be correct and that would also show that your last posts are silly.

Mass shooters would register their guns and then pass background checks…then murder people…the Santa Barbara shooter passed 3 background checks in California…

The San Bernadino muslim terrorists passed at least 2 background checks for their guns and their buddy passed 2 background checks to get their other guns……

Please..do some research.

 

[OldLady]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

You keep proposing the magical solution of putting these guys in jail for long sentences. I wouldn't disagree except then I have to pay to feed and house these assholes for however many years. Where have you been, 2AGuy? states and the feds are looking at releasing non-violent offenders because they can't afford it anymore. If incarceration was actually an effective deterrent, the US wouldn't have more citizens incarcerated than any other nation in the world. We're doing something wrong already. Let's not make it wrong-er!

Federal Register | Annual Determination of Average Cost of Incarceration

Which is a drop in the bucket compared to what violent crime costs the people of the USA.

New Study Shows Violence Costing America Over $460 Billion


New Study Shows Violence Costing America Over $460 Billion

Okay. Incarcerate away!

 

[2aguy]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

I got a better one

You sell a gun to a criminal...YOU get 5 years no parole for each gun you sell

Dumb idea. Why is it you guys always focus on the normal, law abiding gun owner…..that is your whole focus….you really hate them don't you?

That doesn't fit the description of those who would sell a gun to a criminal.

No….most people who sell guns to criminals actually are friends and family of the criminal…they know the guy is a felon without a background check….you can arrest them if you want.

 

[rightwinger]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

I got a better one

You sell a gun to a criminal...YOU get 5 years no parole for each gun you sell

Dumb idea. Why is it you guys always focus on the normal, law abiding gun owner…..that is your whole focus….you really hate them don't you?

That doesn't fit the description of those who would sell a gun to a criminal.

No….most people who sell guns to criminals actually are friends and family of the criminal…they know the guy is a felon without a background check….you can arrest them if you want.

Works for me...as well as anyone else found selling guns to a known criminal

 

[2aguy]

No, you shouldn't…..you are not a cop, and guns are a legal product. Arrest the guy who bought the gun illegally, he is the criminal.

It is not legal to sell guns to criminals......you sold a gun to a criminal

You did the crime, you do the time
Maybe you will know better the next time (there will be no next time....you are now a convicted criminal and must give up all your guns)

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

See…..all you have to do is skip the first 2 sentences of that post and you support exactly what I said. The other 2…….If I sell a gun to a family member I do not need to get a background check. And the sole purpose to background checks on individual sales is to get universal gun registration.

You can already arrest criminals who own or carry guns…you don't need background checks for an individual sale to do that…..and you can already use current police techniques to catch anyone intentionally selling guns to felons…

So background checks for private sales are unnecessary….

 

[rightwinger]

It is not legal to sell guns to criminals......you sold a gun to a criminal

You did the crime, you do the time
Maybe you will know better the next time (there will be no next time....you are now a convicted criminal and must give up all your guns)

Nope….you would need to do a background check…and since in order to have background checks on private sales you need to register all guns….you can't have background checks on private sales.

All you have to do…when you catch someone using gun illegally…arrest them…problem solved. If you find out someone is knowingly selling guns to criminals…set up a sting like you set up a sting for all other crimes. Again, problem solved…and you didn't have to target normal gun owners……sad for you, I know…but it actually will stop criminals...

You meet a guy in a bar who is interested in buying the gun you are bragging about. You call the local Sheriff for a background check. If it comes back clean...you are off the hook

You meet a guy in the bar who is interested in buying your gun. You walk out to the parking lot and sell it to him. Turns out the guy is a criminal. You go to jail

Seems fair

Nope…the Sherrif says…it will take 6 months to a year to free up the manpower to do your background check and cost 150 dollars…..to sell a legal product…..that is a non starter.

The guy buys a gun, knowing that he cannot legally own the gun. He gets caught. You arrest him and send him to jail….saves the money, he time, the manpower and achieves the same result…

but you just don't get to indulge in punishing a normal gun owner…sucks for you…..

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

Then you will have to wait
You don't want to sell a gun to a criminal do you?

You sell a gun to a criminal. The criminal rats you out
You go to jail....Justice is served

See…..all you have to do is skip the first 2 sentences of that post and you support exactly what I said. The other 2…….If I sell a gun to a family member I do not need to get a background check. And the sole purpose to background checks on individual sales is to get universal gun registration.

You can already arrest criminals who own or carry guns…you don't need background checks for an individual sale to do that…..and you can already use current police techniques to catch anyone intentionally selling guns to felons…

So background checks for private sales are unnecessary….

The purpose of background checks is to make sure you are not selling guns to criminals

Wouldn't you, as a gun owner, want to know that?

 

[OldLady]

This is a great idea……increase the penalties for someone who steals a gun…the guy at Extranosalley suggests 5 years per gun no parole….perfect….I completely support this idea….steal 3 guns, 15 years no parole…..see how soon thugs stop stealing or spend more time in the clink…

There Is A Bill That Needs An Urgent Push | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

he Dover, New Hampshire Democrat reports two New Hampshire lawmakers want to increase the penalty for the theft of a firearm.

Given that stolen guns enable some 360,000 gun related crimes a year, the usual “petty larceny” penalties for stealing a collection is woefully inadequate. My personal suggestion is five years per gun, with no probation or parole, ever. If someone steals three guns fifteen years is a moderate penalty compared to the potential lifetime criminal misuse of a gun will sentence a law abiding citizen to.

To the linked news story…..

N.H. bill would up punishment for stealing guns in burglary

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Two New Hampshire lawmakers are co-sponsoring a bill that makes the theft of a gun during a burglary a more serious crime with more jail time.The bill from Republican Al Baldasaro of Londonderry and Democrat Katherine Rogers of Concord would add "theft of a gun" to a list of crimes considered the worst of burglaries.It raises the punishment from a Class B felony to a Class A felony, which means convicts face an additional 20 years in jail for the theft. They say the approach is consistent with other New Hampshire laws that carry stiffer penalties for crimes committed when a gun is involved.The bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice Committee on at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the Legislative Office Building.

How much do you want to bet anti gunners will fight this…..?

I got a better one

You sell a gun to a criminal...YOU get 5 years no parole for each gun you sell

Dumb idea. Why is it you guys always focus on the normal, law abiding gun owner…..that is your whole focus….you really hate them don't you?

Normal, law abiding gun owners do not sell weapons to known criminals

If you do so....you are not a normal law abiding gun owner. You are a criminal

Criminals lie. Since citizens are not cops, they are not going to be held to doing criminal background checks. The criminal knows they can't own or carry the gun….arrest them. Problem solved.

But it really makes you mad to think that you can't arrest normal gun owners doesn't it….?

In our state, a background check is not required for individuals selling a gun, but most of the ones I know would either (1) not sell to someone they don't know, or (2) take it to the local gun shop for a background check to be performed prior to sale. That's how 'normal law abiding gun owners' think. Not that background checks and registration are useless.

 

[M14 Shooter]

[
You keep proposing the magical solution of putting these guys in jail for long sentences. I wouldn't disagree except then I have to pay to feed and house these assholes for however many years

Well... we can't kill them incarcerate them, let them out or keep them from getting guns.
What's left?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have a better idea... don't give guns to spouse and child abusers and people convicted of violent crime....or people who are crazies.
gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

So there shouldn't be laws against robbery since robberies happen anyway?

Exactly as I expected, you did not answer the question.
I will ask again:
How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?

 

[OldLady]

[
You keep proposing the magical solution of putting these guys in jail for long sentences. I wouldn't disagree except then I have to pay to feed and house these assholes for however many years

Well... we can't kill them incarcerate them, let them out or keep them from getting guns.
What's left?

I wish I knew.

 

[rightwinger]

gee...how do you keep that from happening? better gun registration and keeping people like you from buying/selling guns privately

This has been said before. Better gun registration how? What specific change, addition or deletion to gun registration would you recommend added or changed?

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. Making sure that the federal dada base reflects all relevant information when someone at a gun show tries to buy a weapon. And a waiting period of 48 hours to do any background check whether someone is purchasing a weapon at a gun show or at a licensed gun shop.

And once that information is available keeping guns away from crazies, criminals and abusers

What does registration actually do to stop a criminal or a mass shooter from getting the gun….? Can you at least explain that? None of you anti gun loons ever will…..

And if criminals steal a gun…did the background check work? If a criminal uses a straw purchaser….did the background check work? If the criminal sends a straw purchaser to a gun show…did the background check work? if the criminal sends a straw purchaser to buy a gun from an individual..did the background check work?

Please explain.

I can

Registration sets up a line of possession. Gun is used in a crime, you can determine who the last legal owner was and how the gun got into possession of a criminal

If the criminal stole your gun you can provide a police report

 

[M14 Shooter]

You're right it's been said before. And I've already mentioned one specific way -- by requiring registration for private sales. ....

How does registration prevent criminals from getting guns?