Turtlesoup
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Preventative measures do not work long term..we are seeing this now in the scandavanian countries-----those that locked down avoided having their deaths in the beginning---but the virus has mutated now spreading to get those people that it couldn't touch before. The countries that didn't lock down, had most of their deaths in the beginning (You know the people who had other issues and were destined to die)........their deaths have mellow out and they now have partial herd immunity. Winter is coming, playing with the summer exposure period that weakens the virus may have yet prove to be the worse mistake possible. Humans, most are social animals, they aren't able to handle long periods of isolation mentally. Locking down takes it toll. Killing the economy harms the people more than the virus as it kills jobs, income, and supply chains. The lock downs take their tolls. Locking down medical, prevents good medical care and prevention for other diseases, the lock down takes a heavy toll. You will never ever be able to lock the down the world enough to stop this disease.The facts are the US has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the deaths and the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with a pandemic according to John Hopkins. Based on population the 210,000 deaths should be less than 42,000. That might seem crazy but when you consider that the one most factor important factor in fighting an epidemic is how well the country complies with measures to reduce transmission then it's not crazy at all. The only way you get compliance is leadership from the top down. Instead of the president mocking people wearing mask in his rallies he should be encouraging it by word and example. There should be public service ads on TV and internet sites pushing the cdc recommendations. There should be signs in windows of stores and yes there should some penalties for those that flagrantly violate the rules.Oh nonsense........If she had been elected, she certainly would not be downplaying a virus that has kill over 210,000 Americans and undermining almost every covid preventive method recommended by the CDC to reduce the spread of the virus. Trump mocked those that wore masks, laughed at social distancing, said people should be able to go to large gathering, and openly encouraged people to defy local and state authorities. Under Trump's leadership the US has a death toll relative to population 5 times what it should be. To say Trump is on the side of the virus is an understatement.You do realize that Hitlery may have cost this nation billions of loss dollars and/or revenue's via the stunt her and the Obama administration engaged in, but you say just forget about it eh, nothing to see here folks ?? This nation don't take kindly to coups, treason or any such thing as that, so no it won't be forgotten about that easy. Oh and your boy Biden was right there in the thick of it, so of course you want to play it down. They "the Obama administration", might go down as the most corrupt administration this nation has ever encountered in it's history.You do realize it's 2020 and Hillary is not running for any office and nobody gives shit what she did 6 or 8 years ago.If Biden gets elected then all this Hillary stuff goes down the drain. Plus whatever they have on Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and the rest off those fuckwads. Not to mention Obama and Biden. It'll be back to business as usual, politicizing and weaponizing all of our federal agencies.
Which is why the Dems are crazy scared if Trump is re-elected. Jail time, baby!
1) banning foreign travel SLOWED down the spread of the disease allowing medical professionals and tHe US to develop treatments for the virus
2) the virus is going to spread regardless---the most anyone can do is SLOW it down--------allowing for the medical professionals and the US to develop treatments (which Trump already did).
3) this virus doesn't stop being a threat to the US until it is spread throughout most of the US creating herd immunity ------------with HOPES (because that is all that they are) that the virus doesn't do more long term damage to its victims
4) Proof is always in the Pudding ----------------------------and the pudding says that dem states and areas that locked down got hit hardest by both victims and in the economy. And the pudding is still cooking---while we in say republican ran florida were out getting the virus during the summer but oddly not dying from not really locking down----we were building up herd immunity and using the sun to weaken the virus load cutting the number of deaths.
The idiotic dem states who locked down to help the dems during the election to create chaos and fear in order to steal rights-----------will get hit the hardest this winter in both deaths and in the economy. The damn lib yankees know this and florida is already again packed with their people fleeing the libs lock downs up north.
One of the worse things to come out all this is the nihilists belief that nothing should be done just wait for herd immunity. Considering how low participation rates are for vaccinations in this country it could be years before reaching heard immunity and deaths could reach well over a million.
And no the virus is not going to spread regardless of what is done. South Korea and Japan are good examples how successful a nation can be if the people just follow the rules. South Korea with a population of 60 million has 348 deaths over the last 7 months. They had 2 deaths yesterday. The US had 908. How did they do it? The government used extensive testing/contact tracing/quarantining as recommended by the CDC. While Donald Trump was proclaiming the virus was the flu last Feb and mockingly those that disagreed, South Korea was distributing tens of thousands of test kits, sending troops all over the country to start testing/contact tracing/quarantining. Today deaths are very rare and there are only a few cases but the people are still wearing masks and they are testing/contact tracing every breakout. Except for isolated cases all schools and business are functioning as normal and their unemployment rate is about half of ours.
Japan with a population 124 million has had 1616 deaths in last 7 months. They had a very different approach than South Korea. The Prime Minster told the people to use quarantining and social distancing and they did. No one told them they had to wear a mask but only a few days after the prime ask people to beat virus on the streets of Tokyo there almost no uncovered faces. Japan business and schools are open as usually with exceptions. The unemployment rate is 1/3 what is in the US.
The proof is in pudding; preventive measures do work but only if the public follows them but that will never happen without the support of the president.
You can not lock people down long term---we are seeing the result in Florida and Texas and other places--the yankees are moving south and west in mass------New York already will never recover from the damage done.
Your statistics are wrong and you know it but chose to continue to be dishonest and spin nonsense. The Us does the most testing despite Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Italy and other places having people drop dead and their bodies piled up-----while China and others are known to flat out lie about the disease..............