THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE TO LIVING YOUR LIFE AS A son OF GOD.

[GISMYS]

But what did they gain? Life! For there can be no life without death, and no death without life. The two are irrevocably joined.

WRONG AGAIN!!! God offers believers eternal life in a new imortal body like his body on a re-newed earth back to perfection,no pain,sickness,tears or death!!!PTL.

But this eternal life could not have been achieved without dying first, no? Do you think God would have given us all this knowledge and power of his own accord? Because of Satan, humanity gets life eternal and knowledge as a result of God's desperate PR campaign. Scratch what I said earlier. We give ourselves too little credit. God and Satan vie for our souls and prayers because they mean something akin to power for them.

WOW!!! wrong again!!! HAD ADAM ANS EVE NEVER SINNED,THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER.IT WAS MANKIND'S SIN that brought ruin to all creation,pain,sickness and death!

 

[Drake_Roberts]

WRONG AGAIN!!! God offers believers eternal life in a new imortal body like his body on a re-newed earth back to perfection,no pain,sickness,tears or death!!!PTL.

But this eternal life could not have been achieved without dying first, no? Do you think God would have given us all this knowledge and power of his own accord? Because of Satan, humanity gets life eternal and knowledge as a result of God's desperate PR campaign. Scratch what I said earlier. We give ourselves too little credit. God and Satan vie for our souls and prayers because they mean something akin to power for them.

WOW!!! wrong again!!! HAD ADAM ANS EVE NEVER SINNED,THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER.IT WAS MANKIND'S SIN that brought ruin to all creation,pain,sickness and death!

Their "sin" gave man intelligence. What good is immortality when you lack a mind to savor it?

 

[Chuckt]

Why did God have to sacrifice so much if he is all-powerful and Satan is nothing compared to him? I think you give Satan too little credit and God too much.

What value would you place on a loved one? Would you be happy if a murderer could toast some bread in the oven to pay for taking one of your loved ones or would you want the death penalty for him? What value do you place on God?

The sin against God cost what? The value of God is what? The punishment has to equal the crime.

The problem is Chuck, you are consistent with your quoting of the Bible and make reason out of it. While I may disagree fundamentally with some of it, you at least are reasonable. So yes, the problem is that when I put out an argument to disprove one side's theory, you spam scripture or pithy sayings that gun down my arguments not meant for you. But whatever, do what you will.
If someone touched the one person I love, there would be no salvation for anyone. Anywhere. I would probably degenerate into a murderous ball of evil with the sole intent of killing and watching everything burn. Good thing she doesn't get out much and doesn't have enemies.
The value I place on God is that of my Father. He created me, I am of him, he shaped who I am. But I disagree with him. On some details, I disagree with the Church's teachings and disagree with what God says himself on occasion. But that is the nature of free will, no? To question what you've been taught and realize God in your own fashion as the Scripture makes sense to you? Regardless, my opinion is that God will forgive your philosophical differences as long as you still acknowledge him as your God and don't run amok murdering people. Then, like a real Father, God will let you join in on the inheritance.

Well you pretty much answered your own question and most people would want a murderer hung from the highest tree if their loved one was hurt.

God chose foolishness or preaching to save those that believe. Why?

Think about who chooses to be a Christian and whom doesn't.

I was having a discussion with Pastor C about how the Bible is so misused and why people can't come to the conclusion that God exists and why God can't make it abundantly clear to people even though the evidence is not there.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Why not make it so the cults cannot twist scripture and that all can choose? I mean, why chase Adam out of the garden when Adam could have been saved right then and there?

God doesn't want people to come for the wrong reasons. Imagine the worst person who didn't want to change and he came to God not because he loved God, not because he wanted to behave, not because he wanted to repent, not because he loved good. etc. etc. etc. Imagine he only wanted to come because he knew and because he only wanted to save his own skin. It is kind of like Charles Dicken's without the boss feeling remorse. The boss first and everyone else last; He just wants to save himself. The purpose of God's curse upon the earth was so that we would die and not live in these bodies of sin. Those who don't want to change want to live in corruption and will reap corruption.

God is fair. People are judging themselves without knowing it. They are judging God except when they do that, they are judging themselves. They are judging people except when they do that, they are judging God:

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So what kind of people would believe in God? The humble? Do we get along with the humble? Yes? Do we get along with the poor in spirit (Matthew 5)? Yes. Do we get along with those who are prideful, only think of themselves, etc? No. Who is going to reject the gospel? Those who are proud. Who are going to support a works based system? The proud. What does God hate? The pride of man.

The beauty of it is that the learning curve goes up. If you've ever had to put hardware like computer chips on a breadboard, program them and have it up and running in a day, you are doing pretty good. But for most people, the learning curve goes up. God can accomplish His goals and not be thwarted by going to a faith only system because the people we want the learning curve to go against are the prideful (Proverbs 8:13) and people who will reject the gospel because those are the people who won't change. So being invisible as God works to everyone's advantage because the learning curve works against the evil.

The problem is Chuck, you are consistent with your quoting of the Bible and make reason out of it. While I may disagree fundamentally with some of it, you at least are reasonable. So yes, the problem is that when I put out an argument to disprove one side's theory, you spam scripture or pithy sayings that gun down my arguments not meant for you. But whatever, do what you will.

Thanks for seeing me as reasonable.

As far as the other stuff, I'm guilty as charged. I want to know that I've tried to give people the truth. Doctrine is for correction.

If I am giving you material from myself, I may as well quit because it isn't from God. The only way I know that I am not making mistakes and giving out false information is to have a copy of what I am giving you in front of me because I do mix things up if I don't have it in front of me. Even then I have to be very very careful.

The only way I'm giving it to you from God is if I am in the Word but if I am not then you might as well listen to someone who isn't in the word who is making it up, who is lying to you, who is confused, who isn't trying.

It is so hard today. I look back and could kick myself for not listening to Christians earlier because the Bible is hardly taught today. I wish I could remember 40 years ago what other people taught. There were some lessons then. I can't say that I wrote everything down then but I did get is far better than the nonsense that people are hearing today. I wish I was invited to a few more teachings, lectures, Bible studies.

I'm afraid that I'm not doing you justice by doing my job right. In order to be trained to do my job right, I need God's word (the Bible) and hope to hear God illuminate His word, reveal from His word or inspire from His word or other people who are hearing from His word whom give me the word of God and then I recognize it being from God. Then I have an "Ah Ha" moment. That is the only thing I have to give you other than love.

If you want a pastor who is going to teach his own ideas other than the Bible then they are out there. The average person in the pew wouldn't know but that is why you want a pastor who believes and is trained by someone who is trained and all of them have to believe or else you will get confusion and lies from them unless truth trickles down from the Bible and that is what the Bible is there for. The Bible is there because people lie.

 

[GISMYS]

But this eternal life could not have been achieved without dying first, no? Do you think God would have given us all this knowledge and power of his own accord? Because of Satan, humanity gets life eternal and knowledge as a result of God's desperate PR campaign. Scratch what I said earlier. We give ourselves too little credit. God and Satan vie for our souls and prayers because they mean something akin to power for them.

WOW!!! wrong again!!! HAD ADAM ANS EVE NEVER SINNED,THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER.IT WAS MANKIND'S SIN that brought ruin to all creation,pain,sickness and death!

Their "sin" gave man intelligence. What good is immortality when you lack a mind to savor it?

wow!!! so you think sin and rejecting God makes you smart???? adam and eve walked and talked with GOD Almighty in that garden. They lived in perfection until the day they chose to reject GOD AND LIVE IN SIN!

 

[Bumberclyde]

WOW!!! wrong again!!! HAD ADAM ANS EVE NEVER SINNED,THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER.IT WAS MANKIND'S SIN that brought ruin to all creation,pain,sickness and death!

Their "sin" gave man intelligence. What good is immortality when you lack a mind to savor it?

wow!!! so you think sin and rejecting God makes you smart???? adam and eve walked and talked with GOD Almighty in that garden. They lived in perfection until the day they chose to reject GOD AND LIVE IN SIN!

God tossed out Adam from Eden for having sex with a woman. No, that's not too gay.

 

[Ronin]

satan forced no one to reject god or to live in sin ,mankind made that choice,satan just planted doubt in god and man fell for satan lies just as they do today!!! And you??

food for thought, but mankind had no idea of right and wrong, good or bad, anything before satan came and made them eat off of the tree, would satan be the father of our minds, not god?
But if satan's word wins out so much more often than god's, doesn't that make satan about as powerful?
And i am not satanist, btw.

you are wrong!!! God gave adam and eve orders about the garden as to what they could not do and what the cost would be if they did not obey god's law===death!

He gave them orders as to what they could and could not do; knowing ahead exactly what they were going to do- or not?

Is it your belief humans lived side by side with dinosaurs? (That is not meant to be an inflammatory remark, but a sincere question)

 

[PostmodernProph]

How can I be leaving him on the cross, he's been dead for 2000 years? Don't worry, me and Jesus are tight, he knows I'm grateful.

no question about that....I'm sure he knows precisely how grateful you are.....

 

[GISMYS]

food for thought, but mankind had no idea of right and wrong, good or bad, anything before satan came and made them eat off of the tree, would satan be the father of our minds, not god?
But if satan's word wins out so much more often than god's, doesn't that make satan about as powerful?
And i am not satanist, btw.

you are wrong!!! God gave adam and eve orders about the garden as to what they could not do and what the cost would be if they did not obey god's law===death!

He gave them orders as to what they could and could not do; knowing ahead exactly what they were going to do- or not?

Is it your belief humans lived side by side with dinosaurs? (That is not meant to be an inflammatory remark, but a sincere question)

YES!!! GOD is outside time,God knew adam would fail,and before creation God had already planned how HEwould pay their sin debt on that Roman cross. WHY?? Because God is unwilling that any perish. but you still must choose.

 

[Toro]

Here's a downside --> Bigoted douchebags who claim to be speaking for God.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ck-sexual-perverts-god-has-words-for-you.html

 

[GISMYS]

Here's a downside --> Bigoted douchebags who claim to be speaking for God.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ck-sexual-perverts-god-has-words-for-you.html

God speaks for Himself that is what the Holybible is = God speaking to mankind!!!

 

[Drake_Roberts]

What value would you place on a loved one? Would you be happy if a murderer could toast some bread in the oven to pay for taking one of your loved ones or would you want the death penalty for him? What value do you place on God?

The sin against God cost what? The value of God is what? The punishment has to equal the crime.

The problem is Chuck, you are consistent with your quoting of the Bible and make reason out of it. While I may disagree fundamentally with some of it, you at least are reasonable. So yes, the problem is that when I put out an argument to disprove one side's theory, you spam scripture or pithy sayings that gun down my arguments not meant for you. But whatever, do what you will.
If someone touched the one person I love, there would be no salvation for anyone. Anywhere. I would probably degenerate into a murderous ball of evil with the sole intent of killing and watching everything burn. Good thing she doesn't get out much and doesn't have enemies.
The value I place on God is that of my Father. He created me, I am of him, he shaped who I am. But I disagree with him. On some details, I disagree with the Church's teachings and disagree with what God says himself on occasion. But that is the nature of free will, no? To question what you've been taught and realize God in your own fashion as the Scripture makes sense to you? Regardless, my opinion is that God will forgive your philosophical differences as long as you still acknowledge him as your God and don't run amok murdering people. Then, like a real Father, God will let you join in on the inheritance.

Well you pretty much answered your own question and most people would want a murderer hung from the highest tree if their loved one was hurt.

God chose foolishness or preaching to save those that believe. Why?

Think about who chooses to be a Christian and whom doesn't.

I was having a discussion with Pastor C about how the Bible is so misused and why people can't come to the conclusion that God exists and why God can't make it abundantly clear to people even though the evidence is not there.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Why not make it so the cults cannot twist scripture and that all can choose? I mean, why chase Adam out of the garden when Adam could have been saved right then and there?

God doesn't want people to come for the wrong reasons. Imagine the worst person who didn't want to change and he came to God not because he loved God, not because he wanted to behave, not because he wanted to repent, not because he loved good. etc. etc. etc. Imagine he only wanted to come because he knew and because he only wanted to save his own skin. It is kind of like Charles Dicken's without the boss feeling remorse. The boss first and everyone else last; He just wants to save himself. The purpose of God's curse upon the earth was so that we would die and not live in these bodies of sin. Those who don't want to change want to live in corruption and will reap corruption.

God is fair. People are judging themselves without knowing it. They are judging God except when they do that, they are judging themselves. They are judging people except when they do that, they are judging God:

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So what kind of people would believe in God? The humble? Do we get along with the humble? Yes? Do we get along with the poor in spirit (Matthew 5)? Yes. Do we get along with those who are prideful, only think of themselves, etc? No. Who is going to reject the gospel? Those who are proud. Who are going to support a works based system? The proud. What does God hate? The pride of man.

The beauty of it is that the learning curve goes up. If you've ever had to put hardware like computer chips on a breadboard, program them and have it up and running in a day, you are doing pretty good. But for most people, the learning curve goes up. God can accomplish His goals and not be thwarted by going to a faith only system because the people we want the learning curve to go against are the prideful (Proverbs 8:13) and people who will reject the gospel because those are the people who won't change. So being invisible as God works to everyone's advantage because the learning curve works against the evil.

The problem is Chuck, you are consistent with your quoting of the Bible and make reason out of it. While I may disagree fundamentally with some of it, you at least are reasonable. So yes, the problem is that when I put out an argument to disprove one side's theory, you spam scripture or pithy sayings that gun down my arguments not meant for you. But whatever, do what you will.

Thanks for seeing me as reasonable.

As far as the other stuff, I'm guilty as charged. I want to know that I've tried to give people the truth. Doctrine is for correction.

If I am giving you material from myself, I may as well quit because it isn't from God. The only way I know that I am not making mistakes and giving out false information is to have a copy of what I am giving you in front of me because I do mix things up if I don't have it in front of me. Even then I have to be very very careful.

The only way I'm giving it to you from God is if I am in the Word but if I am not then you might as well listen to someone who isn't in the word who is making it up, who is lying to you, who is confused, who isn't trying.

It is so hard today. I look back and could kick myself for not listening to Christians earlier because the Bible is hardly taught today. I wish I could remember 40 years ago what other people taught. There were some lessons then. I can't say that I wrote everything down then but I did get is far better than the nonsense that people are hearing today. I wish I was invited to a few more teachings, lectures, Bible studies.

I'm afraid that I'm not doing you justice by doing my job right. In order to be trained to do my job right, I need God's word (the Bible) and hope to hear God illuminate His word, reveal from His word or inspire from His word or other people who are hearing from His word whom give me the word of God and then I recognize it being from God. Then I have an "Ah Ha" moment. That is the only thing I have to give you other than love.

If you want a pastor who is going to teach his own ideas other than the Bible then they are out there. The average person in the pew wouldn't know but that is why you want a pastor who believes and is trained by someone who is trained and all of them have to believe or else you will get confusion and lies from them unless truth trickles down from the Bible and that is what the Bible is there for. The Bible is there because people lie.

Problem is, all the churches I have visited have pastors with arguments so weak, I failed to see how a child couldn't shoot them down. But that is why I believe in my doctrine like I do. Everyone sees God in a different way, and thus must find God through meditating on his word and understanding it as the understand it and interpret God. Everyone's honest interpretation of God is thus correct and so you can not persecute others for the way God appears to them. There have been times when I have looked at the ancient "pagan" religions and wondered, "How many of those are just the result of how God appeared to them, and not a false belief in false Gods?"

 

[Drake_Roberts]

WOW!!! wrong again!!! HAD ADAM ANS EVE NEVER SINNED,THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER.IT WAS MANKIND'S SIN that brought ruin to all creation,pain,sickness and death!

Their "sin" gave man intelligence. What good is immortality when you lack a mind to savor it?

wow!!! so you think sin and rejecting God makes you smart???? adam and eve walked and talked with GOD Almighty in that garden. They lived in perfection until the day they chose to reject GOD AND LIVE IN SIN!

But they could not tell that the serpent in the garden was evil. They did not know shame. Or dignity. They were drones.

Why am I arguing this with you in the first place? The Garden of Eden is a story and nothing more.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

you are wrong!!! God gave adam and eve orders about the garden as to what they could not do and what the cost would be if they did not obey god's law===death!

He gave them orders as to what they could and could not do; knowing ahead exactly what they were going to do- or not?

Is it your belief humans lived side by side with dinosaurs? (That is not meant to be an inflammatory remark, but a sincere question)

YES!!! GOD is outside time,God knew adam would fail,and before creation God had already planned how HEwould pay their sin debt on that Roman cross. WHY?? Because God is unwilling that any perish. but you still must choose.

So God built everything for Adam's sin? For people to go to Hell? For Satan to have sway with humanity?

 

[Drake_Roberts]

Here's a downside --> Bigoted douchebags who claim to be speaking for God.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ck-sexual-perverts-god-has-words-for-you.html

God speaks for Himself that is what the Holybible is = God speaking to mankind!!!

Trip and touch my ark by accident and I shall strike you dead!

Thank you for the inspirational wisdom, O Lord.

 

[GISMYS]

Here's a downside --> Bigoted douchebags who claim to be speaking for God.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ck-sexual-perverts-god-has-words-for-you.html

God speaks for Himself that is what the Holybible is = God speaking to mankind!!!

Trip and touch my ark by accident and I shall strike you dead!

Thank you for the inspirational wisdom, O Lord.

you have less wisdom and understanding than a peanut!!!

 

[Drake_Roberts]

God speaks for Himself that is what the Holybible is = God speaking to mankind!!!

Trip and touch my ark by accident and I shall strike you dead!

Thank you for the inspirational wisdom, O Lord.

The
you have less wisdom and understanding than a peanut!!!

The story is in Samuel somewhere. I think the second book. David takes the ark back to Jerusalem and one of his men trips and falls towards the ark, touching it. God just kills the guy in a heartbeat. Apparently tripping is worthy of damnation.

 

[GISMYS]

Trip and touch my ark by accident and I shall strike you dead!

Thank you for the inspirational wisdom, O Lord.

The
you have less wisdom and understanding than a peanut!!!

The story is in Samuel somewhere. I think the second book. David takes the ark back to Jerusalem and one of his men trips and falls towards the ark, touching it. God just kills the guy in a heartbeat. Apparently tripping is worthy of damnation.

HEED GOD'S WARNINGS!!===The ark of God was one of the holy objects . God had made it clear to the Israelites during the time of Moses that they were not to touch the holy objects associated with the tabernacle worship (Numbers 4:4-6, 15-20).

And when Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy objects and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is to set out, after that the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them, so that they may not touch the holy objects and die. These are the things in the tent of meeting which the sons of Kohath are to carry . . . But do this to them that they may live and not die when they approach the most holy objects: Aaron and his sons shall go in and assign each of them to his work and to his load; but they shall not go in to see the holy objects even for a moment, lest they die.” (NASB) Numbers 4:15, 19-20

 

[Drake_Roberts]

The
you have less wisdom and understanding than a peanut!!!

The story is in Samuel somewhere. I think the second book. David takes the ark back to Jerusalem and one of his men trips and falls towards the ark, touching it. God just kills the guy in a heartbeat. Apparently tripping is worthy of damnation.

HEED GOD'S WARNINGS!!===The ark of God was one of the holy objects . God had made it clear to the Israelites during the time of Moses that they were not to touch the holy objects associated with the tabernacle worship (Numbers 4:4-6, 15-20).

And when Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy objects and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is to set out, after that the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them, so that they may not touch the holy objects and die. These are the things in the tent of meeting which the sons of Kohath are to carry . . . But do this to them that they may live and not die when they approach the most holy objects: Aaron and his sons shall go in and assign each of them to his work and to his load; but they shall not go in to see the holy objects even for a moment, lest they die.” (NASB) Numbers 4:15, 19-20

The. Dude. Tripped.

 

[Ronin]

The
you have less wisdom and understanding than a peanut!!!

The story is in Samuel somewhere. I think the second book. David takes the ark back to Jerusalem and one of his men trips and falls towards the ark, touching it. God just kills the guy in a heartbeat. Apparently tripping is worthy of damnation.

HEED GOD'S WARNINGS!!===The ark of God was one of the holy objects . God had made it clear to the Israelites during the time of Moses that they were not to touch the holy objects associated with the tabernacle worship (Numbers 4:4-6, 15-20).

And when Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy objects and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is to set out, after that the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them, so that they may not touch the holy objects and die. These are the things in the tent of meeting which the sons of Kohath are to carry . . . But do this to them that they may live and not die when they approach the most holy objects: Aaron and his sons shall go in and assign each of them to his work and to his load; but they shall not go in to see the holy objects even for a moment, lest they die.” (NASB) Numbers 4:15, 19-20

What do you interpret Hebrews 8:4 is saying?

 

[GISMYS]

The story is in Samuel somewhere. I think the second book. David takes the ark back to Jerusalem and one of his men trips and falls towards the ark, touching it. God just kills the guy in a heartbeat. Apparently tripping is worthy of damnation.

HEED GOD'S WARNINGS!!===The ark of God was one of the holy objects . God had made it clear to the Israelites during the time of Moses that they were not to touch the holy objects associated with the tabernacle worship (Numbers 4:4-6, 15-20).

And when Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy objects and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is to set out, after that the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them, so that they may not touch the holy objects and die. These are the things in the tent of meeting which the sons of Kohath are to carry . . . But do this to them that they may live and not die when they approach the most holy objects: Aaron and his sons shall go in and assign each of them to his work and to his load; but they shall not go in to see the holy objects even for a moment, lest they die.” (NASB) Numbers 4:15, 19-20

What do you interpret Hebrews 8:4 is saying?

The sacrifice he(Jesus) offers is far better than those offered by the earthly priests. (But even so, if he were here on earth he wouldn’t even be permitted to be a priest because down here the priests still follow the old Jewish system of sacrifices.) HEBREWS 8:4