There Are No Permanent Secular-Political-Solutions To Spiritual Problems.

[JAG]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

 

[Taz]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

That much copy&paste is immoral.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

tl; dr

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The thread title is incorrect. Or, if you prefer, a matter of opinion. It is certainly not fact.

I read a small part of that nonsensical rant. There were no facts, only opinions.

You say this is not a political discussion but your own OP is political. Moreover, your political beliefs are the opposite of "christianity".

So, as usual, my own opinion and belief is that you're more than welcome to worship whichever of the 4000 or so gods and the countless religions. You're also more than welcome to vote against the teachings of Jesus

You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others.

 

[night_son]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you.

 

[JAG]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

That much copy&paste is immoral.

"That much copy&paste is immoral."__TAZ

I wrote it word for word today.


`

 

[BULLDOG]

Perhaps you can explain why people who claim to be Christians were willing to elect the antithisis to Christianity in exchange for their choice of judges. Obviously that was an effort to force what you consider to be Christian values on the country through the courts.

 

[JAG]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you.

"What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their
faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you."___Night Son

* False.
* Just the opposite of that.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

*And thanks for your comments.



`

 

[justinacolmena]

… Christians, [but] non-Christians …

You can't call youself a Christian by quoting the Old Testament with the bloody knife of circumcision in your hand.

We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime

You're too far off in left field to be a Republican. Democrat gun control laws and other laws that define what is and is not crime cannot be said to "reduce" crime. That is absurd and non-sensical.

There is no possible way to escape "the political process."

You're railroading humans straight to the gas chambers on cattle cars with a statement like that. It's Auschwitz 2.0 already, doofus.

 

[night_son]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you.

"What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their
faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you."___Night Son

* False.
* Just the opposite of that.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

*And thanks for your comments.



`

The more sincere your apologies for being Christian the faster Christians will be persecuted and eventually eradicated. Your original post speaks like anything but Christian claiming to wear a Christian's skin.

 

[JAG]

The thread title is incorrect. Or, if you prefer, a matter of opinion. It is certainly not fact.

I read a small part of that nonsensical rant. There were no facts, only opinions.

You say this is not a political discussion but your own OP is political. Moreover, your political beliefs are the opposite of "christianity".

So, as usual, my own opinion and belief is that you're more than welcome to worship whichever of the 4000 or so gods and the countless religions. You're also more than welcome to vote against the teachings of Jesus

You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others.

" You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others. "___Luddly

Posting an opinion piece is not shoving anything down anyone's throat?
Do you consider what you write to be shoving what you write down other's people's throats?
Reading a post is 100% voluntary.
So if no one is forcing you to read a post, then its not being shoved down any throats.


``

 

[JAG]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you.

"What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their
faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you."___Night Son

* False.
* Just the opposite of that.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

*And thanks for your comments.



`

The more sincere your apologies for being Christian the faster Christians will be persecuted and eventually eradicated. Your original post speaks like anything but Christian claiming to wear a Christian's skin.

I apologize for nothing.
I have opinions like everybody else.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

`

 

[JAG]

… Christians, [but] non-Christians …

You can't call youself a Christian by quoting the Old Testament with the bloody knife of circumcision in your hand.

We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime

You're too far off in left field to be a Republican. Democrat gun control laws and other laws that define what is and is not crime cannot be said to "reduce" crime. That is absurd and non-sensical.

There is no possible way to escape "the political process."

You're railroading humans straight to the gas chambers on cattle cars with a statement like that. It's Auschwitz 2.0 already, doofus.

Believe whatever you want to believe.
Thanks for your comments.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

 

[BULLDOG]

The thread title is incorrect. Or, if you prefer, a matter of opinion. It is certainly not fact.

I read a small part of that nonsensical rant. There were no facts, only opinions.

You say this is not a political discussion but your own OP is political. Moreover, your political beliefs are the opposite of "christianity".

So, as usual, my own opinion and belief is that you're more than welcome to worship whichever of the 4000 or so gods and the countless religions. You're also more than welcome to vote against the teachings of Jesus

You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others.

" You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others. "___Luddly

Posting an opinion piece is not shoving anything down anyone's throat?
Do you consider what you write to be shoving what you write down other's people's throats?
Reading a post is 100% voluntary.
So if no one is forcing you to read a post, then its not being shoved down any throats.


``

You are correct. Writing an opinion piece is not forcing anyone to do anything. However, enacting the actions advocated in an opinion piece certainly could be.

 

[JAG]

Perhaps you can explain why people who claim to be Christians were willing to elect the antithisis to Christianity in exchange for their choice of judges. Obviously that was an effort to force what you consider to be Christian values on the country through the courts.

It was the exact OPPOSITE of that.
I do not want to force what I believe on anybody, not ever.

 

[JAG]

The thread title is incorrect. Or, if you prefer, a matter of opinion. It is certainly not fact.

I read a small part of that nonsensical rant. There were no facts, only opinions.

You say this is not a political discussion but your own OP is political. Moreover, your political beliefs are the opposite of "christianity".

So, as usual, my own opinion and belief is that you're more than welcome to worship whichever of the 4000 or so gods and the countless religions. You're also more than welcome to vote against the teachings of Jesus

You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others.

" You are NOT welcome to shove it down the throats of others. "___Luddly

Posting an opinion piece is not shoving anything down anyone's throat?
Do you consider what you write to be shoving what you write down other's people's throats?
Reading a post is 100% voluntary.
So if no one is forcing you to read a post, then its not being shoved down any throats.


``

You are correct. Writing an opinion piece is not forcing anyone to do anything. However, enacting the actions advocated in an opinion piece certainly could be.

I do not want to force what I believe on anybody, not ever

 

[BULLDOG]

Perhaps you can explain why people who claim to be Christians were willing to elect the antithisis to Christianity in exchange for their choice of judges. Obviously that was an effort to force what you consider to be Christian values on the country through the courts.

It was the exact OPPOSITE of that.
I do not want to force what I believe on anybody, not ever.

So you oppose Christians supporting the very unChristian like Trump just to gain political power through the courts? That is a yes/no question.

 

[JAG]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

tl; dr

tl;dr - used as a dismissive response to a lengthy online post
Aw, it wasn't that lengthy.

 

[night_son]

This Opening Post is NOT to discuss any political issue.
This Opening Post is ONLY to re-affirm the truth of:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14

_____________

I wrote this piece mainly for Christians, but non-Christians might find it
interesting.

Introductory Remarks:
My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that. We support Law and Order.
Laws are necessary. Laws do reduce crime.
Politics is necessary. Politics is merely what we do {policies , , , political policies}
Nations do what they do, because they believe what they believe.
There is no possible way to escape "the political process."
Politics is here to stay until the end of time.

Politics can temporarily solve some human problems.

But politics can never solve the root problem, which is spiritual.

A diseased ROOT will always produce "bad policies" fruit.

Fix one political problem, and another will appear somewhere else.

Diseased root. You must cure the "bad root" problem. to have good fruit.

So? So there are better solutions to human problems than political
solutions. These better solutions are spiritual solutions,

Nonetheless , , ,
Many Christians seek political solutions to what they will admit are
spiritual problems.

They seek to "elect the right kind of men" to political office with the goal of
fixing America's many moral, economic, and political problems.

Read this next paragraph very carefully , , ,
They want the Christian moral code to become a reality through the political
process. My view is this is utterly impossible to achieve. Here is my view of
that in a nutshell: There is not a shred of Biblical evidence that teaches the
way to fix a nation’s spiritual problems, is to elect “the right kinds of politicians"
to public office. That is pure fantasy. The notion that: If we can "just somehow
elect the right politicians", then we can legislate the Christian moral code into
law” is pure fiction. This is never going to materialize and become a reality.

Here are some of my reasons why:

My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
and the power of the Holy Spirit.

{1} You must first change hearts before you can change minds.
{2} All human moral problems are at root spiritual problems.
{3} Moral problems are what causes political and economic problems.
{4} There are no lasting secular political solutions for spiritual problems.
{5} But there are lasting spiritual solutions to spiritual problems.
{6} Those solutions must start with this:
{A} John 3:3 You must be born again.
{B} John 3:16 You must accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior.
{C} Galatians 5:22-23 You must allow the Holy Spirit to produce
the fruits of the Holy Spirit in your life, which are:
{a} love
{b} joy
{c} peace
{d} patience
{e} kindness
{f} goodness
{g} faithfulness
{h} gentleness
{i} self-control
This changes the "root" of the problem.
This changes the heart.
Which then changes the mind.
So that men now desire to do what is right without being "forced to do right"
by the political process , , ,Laws , , Police with guns , , Jail Time , ,etc

Anything not the above will fail to permanently solve the "political" problem
You can “throw money” at it.
You can “throw laws” at it.
You will fail.
If you DO solve the problem in one area, the same ROOT problem will
pop-up in another area. We saw this principle being played out in the
streets of America as rioting, looting, burning cars, burning buildings,
physical assaults, and murdering people was occurring right in front of
Law Enforcement Officers and elected politicians, who, at the time, did
not prevent it from happening. All this has a "root problem" that has
been a reality for decades, and if this present social chaos is "solved"
by politics, the "root problem" will re-appear, in another form, somewhere
else in the "garden" of America. Its merely a question of "when" and "where"
and "how bad" it will be, the next time it pops-up.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven,
and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.___2 Chronicles 7:14


``

What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you.

"What you're really trying to say here, schmuck, is, "All Christians must abandon their
faith and kneel before domestic terrorists." Two words, both are free: fuck and you."___Night Son

* False.
* Just the opposite of that.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

*And thanks for your comments.



`

The more sincere your apologies for being Christian the faster Christians will be persecuted and eventually eradicated. Your original post speaks like anything but Christian claiming to wear a Christian's skin.

I apologize for nothing.
I have opinions like everybody else.
* JAG Wrote:
"My entire family are Christians. We are all strong Conservatives.
We are all Republicans. We have always voted for the Republican Party.
We always will do that."___JAG

`

I apologize for my knee jerk initial reaction. Stressful Sunday and all that. That said, you are still playing a dangerous game with the content of your opinion piece. But I get it. You believe spiritual problems cannot be remedied with modern political solutions. In the same exact way you are trying to sing out to the Logos for peace and harmony on Earth you are mystifying solutions for carnal problems that amount to little more than pie in the sky. Turning the other cheek does not mean faith manifested as lack of fear in persecution and death. Further, without Christian mores at the core of American politics our civilization will collapse.

 

[JAG]

Perhaps you can explain why people who claim to be Christians were willing to elect the antithisis to Christianity in exchange for their choice of judges. Obviously that was an effort to force what you consider to be Christian values on the country through the courts.

It was the exact OPPOSITE of that.
I do not want to force what I believe on anybody, not ever.

So you oppose Christians supporting the very unChristian like Trump just to gain political power through the courts? That is a yes/no question.

"So you oppose Christians supporting the very unChristian like Trump
just to gain political power through the courts? That is a yes/no question. "___BULLDOG

I vote the straight Republican ticket.
I don't want to gain any power through the courts.
Christians are both Republicans and Democrats.
I don't tell any of them who to vote for.


`