The youth: Is 18 to young to buy a gun?

[ChrisL]

Then your mother would be responsible for your breaking the law. Parents need to start being held more responsible for their children.

What law did I break. Link?

I hope you grew up in the city because you're so innocently naive

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

A LOT of the gang related shootings in the inner cities are committed by those under 21, believe it or not.

And ...

Walk me through your logic here.

OK, we raise the gun age to 21. Then what happens? Is this the old gun laws will work where drug laws don't bit?

Not just the gun age. Face the facts, the vast majority of 18-year-olds in today's day and age are still children in pretty much every way.

 

[jc456]

Well, everyone here must know by now that I am an unabashed 2nd amendment supporter. However, I do not have any issues with this law. I think the age of everything should be raised to 21 at least though. It's pretty easy to see how immature and thoughtless a lot of teens can be on a regular basis.

so you think an immature person should set policy?

Absolutely not. Is that what I said? I said the age of EVERYTHING should be over 21, IMO.

so it should be 21 for the military as well?

Are you having a difficult time understanding what EVERYTHING means?

so rather than having kids fight wars, you'd prefer college graduates, how does that make them so much more mature? did they have any gun training?

 

[kaz]

I went hunting after high school regularly with my friends. We also did target practice. My father was a dead beat. My mother was at work. Screw that, it just means I couldn't have gone hunting. Why would I follow that law? And when I don't, why would I obey any others for the only reason they are the law?

My mother knew about all my guns, BTW. Most of them I got from her family.

Do you think people respecting the law is important? Or just following it because they'll go Stalin on us if we don't?

Then your mother would be responsible for your breaking the law. Parents need to start being held more responsible for their children.

What law did I break. Link?

I hope you grew up in the city because you're so innocently naive

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shootings of anything from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there.

All we'd have learned if they tried to make it illegal is to disrespect the law. Of course they taught us that anyway

 

[ChrisL]

Well, everyone here must know by now that I am an unabashed 2nd amendment supporter. However, I do not have any issues with this law. I think the age of everything should be raised to 21 at least though. It's pretty easy to see how immature and thoughtless a lot of teens can be on a regular basis.

so you think an immature person should set policy?

Absolutely not. Is that what I said? I said the age of EVERYTHING should be over 21, IMO.

so it should be 21 for the military as well?

Are you having a difficult time understanding what EVERYTHING means?

so rather than having kids fight wars, you'd prefer college graduates, how does that make them so much more mature? did they have any gun training?

Err. I think you should probably read this question a couple of more times to yourself.

 

[jc456]

Let me say it again for those who are reading IMPAIRED. I think the age of EVERYTHING should be raised to at least 21.

so they shouldn't go to college until 21? they shouldn't work until 21? wow, what do they do for those three years?

 

[ChrisL]

Then your mother would be responsible for your breaking the law. Parents need to start being held more responsible for their children.

What law did I break. Link?

I hope you grew up in the city because you're so innocently naive

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

 

[jc456]

so you think an immature person should set policy?

Absolutely not. Is that what I said? I said the age of EVERYTHING should be over 21, IMO.

so it should be 21 for the military as well?

Are you having a difficult time understanding what EVERYTHING means?

so rather than having kids fight wars, you'd prefer college graduates, how does that make them so much more mature? did they have any gun training?

Err. I think you should probably read this question a couple of more times to yourself.

your answer isn't logical, nor do you provide any reasoning.

 

[ChrisL]

Let me say it again for those who are reading IMPAIRED. I think the age of EVERYTHING should be raised to at least 21.

so they shouldn't go to college until 21? they shouldn't work until 21? wow, what do they do for those three years?

Going to college? Seriously? Work? We already have laws surrounding minors and working. I am talking about drinking, voting, driving, serving in the military, being tried as an adult, etc., etc.

 

[kaz]

What law did I break. Link?

I hope you grew up in the city because you're so innocently naive

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

A LOT of the gang related shootings in the inner cities are committed by those under 21, believe it or not.

And ...

Walk me through your logic here.

OK, we raise the gun age to 21. Then what happens? Is this the old gun laws will work where drug laws don't bit?

Not just the gun age. Face the facts, the vast majority of 18-year-olds in today's day and age are still children in pretty much every way.

They seem to be remaining so with all the snowflakes and safe spaces.

You're going after the wrong ones. Those are the self victimizing leftist children. I'm talking about red country. Michigan is Democrat only because of Detroit. It would be a solid red state if you removed Detroit

 

[jc456]

What law did I break. Link?

I hope you grew up in the city because you're so innocently naive

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

so they have a right to shoot it, but not to buy it? how do you justify that line? You know that kids raid mom and dad's liquor cabinet and steal money, a gun in the home is a gun in the home no matter who bought it. that's just silliness and sorely sad.

 

[ChrisL]

Absolutely not. Is that what I said? I said the age of EVERYTHING should be over 21, IMO.

so it should be 21 for the military as well?

Are you having a difficult time understanding what EVERYTHING means?

so rather than having kids fight wars, you'd prefer college graduates, how does that make them so much more mature? did they have any gun training?

Err. I think you should probably read this question a couple of more times to yourself.

your answer isn't logical, nor do you provide any reasoning.

Sure I have. You need to read my posts. YOU are grasping at straws here. YOU make no sense and have offered no reasoning. All you need to do is look at statistics. It is GLARINGLY obvious that 16-18 year olds are not known for their good decision making skills.

 

[kaz]

What law did I break. Link?

I hope you grew up in the city because you're so innocently naive

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

And just teach responsible children to disrespect the law. That's the problem we have in this country. We need more responsible people who think our government is oppressive

 

[ChrisL]

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

so they have a right to shoot it, but not to buy it? how do you justify that line? You know that kids raid mom and dad's liquor cabinet and steal money, a gun in the home is a gun in the home no matter who bought it. that's just silliness and sorely sad.

If they are under adult supervision, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to use a gun. They shouldn't be able to go out and purchase one on their own though, especially considering that most of them are still completely reliant on their parents to take care of them in every way.

 

[jc456]

Let me say it again for those who are reading IMPAIRED. I think the age of EVERYTHING should be raised to at least 21.

so they shouldn't go to college until 21? they shouldn't work until 21? wow, what do they do for those three years?

Going to college? Seriously? Work? We already have laws surrounding minors and working. I am talking about drinking, voting, driving, serving in the military, being tried as an adult, etc., etc.

well you don't want 16 year olds working and not working until 21 since you said everything. taking a motor vehicle on the road can kill if not properly trained. How else would they hold a job?

 

[kaz]

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

so they have a right to shoot it, but not to buy it? how do you justify that line? You know that kids raid mom and dad's liquor cabinet and steal money, a gun in the home is a gun in the home no matter who bought it. that's just silliness and sorely sad.

If they are under adult supervision, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to use a gun. They shouldn't be able to go out and purchase one on their own though, especially considering that most of them are still completely reliant on their parents to take care of them in every way.

Yeah, we want to only be allowed to hunt with our mommy and daddy. You know how kids love only doing things with their parents. Great way to influence people to follow the law.

I saw nothing but benefit in what we did. You're just assuming that teenagers should be barred from guns. Your only example so far is inner city kids under 21 where obviously gun laws would have zero effect.

Like all these laws, the actual effect is to target honest citizens while doing zero to fight crime

 

[jc456]

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

A LOT of the gang related shootings in the inner cities are committed by those under 21, believe it or not.

And ...

Walk me through your logic here.

OK, we raise the gun age to 21. Then what happens? Is this the old gun laws will work where drug laws don't bit?

Not just the gun age. Face the facts, the vast majority of 18-year-olds in today's day and age are still children in pretty much every way.

They seem to be remaining so with all the snowflakes and safe spaces.

You're going after the wrong ones. Those are the self victimizing leftist children. I'm talking about red country. Michigan is Democrat only because of Detroit. It would be a solid red state if you removed Detroit

BTW, that's the same for Chicago and Illinois.

 

[ChrisL]

I'm a suburbanite girl. Right in the middle, as usual.

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

And just teach responsible children to disrespect the law. That's the problem we have in this country. We need more responsible people who think our government is oppressive

I don't think it is okay to teach children to disrespect "the law." Some laws maybe, but you don't teach your kids to break laws. That makes you a terrible parent who is not doing the best by your children. YOU'RE responsible for them as their parent. They still need help and guidance in most cases at such a young age. Now, let's be reasonable here and not talk about ridiculous notions of parents encouraging their kids to disrespect the law. There are right ways and wrong ways to address any problems that you might have.

 

[ChrisL]

I want everyone who has not committed a crime and who is of a reasonable age to be able to practice their rights.

Right, 15 is a reasonable age where I grew up. We knew to go out into the country, not shoot anything if we didn't know what it was, to always check if a gun is loaded.

I didn't hear of any accidental shooting from anywhere around there by kids like me the entire time I grew up there

There are plenty of kids who know how to handle a firearm safely. That doesn't mean they should be able to go buy one and be personally responsible for it. It's fine if parents want to take their kids to the shooting range or out in the woods to shoot targets or to hunt. It's these laws that are outdated related to age of consents that are really bothersome.

so they have a right to shoot it, but not to buy it? how do you justify that line? You know that kids raid mom and dad's liquor cabinet and steal money, a gun in the home is a gun in the home no matter who bought it. that's just silliness and sorely sad.

If they are under adult supervision, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to use a gun. They shouldn't be able to go out and purchase one on their own though, especially considering that most of them are still completely reliant on their parents to take care of them in every way.

Yeah, we want to only be allowed to hunt with our mommy and daddy. You know how kids love only doing things with their parents. Great way to influence people to follow the law

Well, then they don't have to go and do it. Besides that, it is a good way to spend time with your older children and bond with them, and keep those family bonds strong. That is another part of the problem. A lot of parents are isolated from their children's lives.

 

[kaz]

Let me say it again for those who are reading IMPAIRED. I think the age of EVERYTHING should be raised to at least 21.

so they shouldn't go to college until 21? they shouldn't work until 21? wow, what do they do for those three years?

Going to college? Seriously? Work? We already have laws surrounding minors and working. I am talking about drinking, voting, driving, serving in the military, being tried as an adult, etc., etc.

well you don't want 16 year olds working and not working until 21 since you said everything. taking a motor vehicle on the road can kill if not properly trained. How else would they hold a job?

Exactly. It was our parents job to train us to use guns safely. And they did. It wasn't their job to then baby sit us

 

[kaz]

I grew up in Michigan in the 70s. Kaz is short for "Kalamazoo," my home town. I was fortunate to be in a decent sized down and have the advantages of a city but a small enough town that when you left the city limits you were pretty much in country. I went to a great school because it is a university town. I also sometimes worked on a farm doing things like bailing hay. I really got all the experiences.

I can tell you the leftist portrayal of Yosemite Sam gun owners is crap. These were very good, hard working people who obsessed with teaching their children morals, values and gun safety. I'd trust them over and inner city leftist any day of the week.

They are the ones you WANT to be armed

A LOT of the gang related shootings in the inner cities are committed by those under 21, believe it or not.

And ...

Walk me through your logic here.

OK, we raise the gun age to 21. Then what happens? Is this the old gun laws will work where drug laws don't bit?

Not just the gun age. Face the facts, the vast majority of 18-year-olds in today's day and age are still children in pretty much every way.

They seem to be remaining so with all the snowflakes and safe spaces.

You're going after the wrong ones. Those are the self victimizing leftist children. I'm talking about red country. Michigan is Democrat only because of Detroit. It would be a solid red state if you removed Detroit

BTW, that's the same for Chicago and Illinois.

Oh yeah. New York, California, all of them. Problem with ChrisL's argument is that she's targeting red counties when the gun crimes are mostly in the blue counties. And guns are already strictly controlled in the blue ones.

Her heart is in the right place. But her brain is in the wrong one