The White House spins—and ignores—its losing war in Iraq and Syria

[Jroc]

One of the saddest things was watching the ISIS animals (once again, with no consequence of course) blowing up that ancient temple in Palmira they are standing in front of. They are constantly proving to the world what a filthy, intolerant, barbaric faith Islam truly is.

Kind of makes you wonder why Israel is helping them, supplying them, funding them, aiding them, etc. Doesn't it? I guess you are the company you keep.

Obama is supplying them with new Humvee's via Iraq. We send them there, they run away and leave isis new armored vehicles

Oh, I'm aware. The US, the Saudi's, Israel, the all have similar policy goals, so they are all creating, funding, and aiding ISIS. So that is why Roudy's post was so ignorant. Anyone that keeps up with current events knows that Israel is not trying to degrade ISIS one bit, and ISIS is not attacking Israel at all. Derp. lol It's all staged.

Putin Aide Says Israel is Training ISIS
“We’ve assisted them under two conditions,” Ya’alon said of the Israeli medical aid to the Syrian rebels, some of whom are presumably fighting with al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad. “That they don’t get too close to the border, and that they don’t touch the Druze.”

Putin Aide Says Israel is Training ISIS

Alexander Prokhanov told the state-controlled news outlet that Mossad is also likely to have transferred some of its “spying experience” to the leadership of ISIS, even as Israeli military advisers assisted the terrorists in other ways.


Prokhanov said ISIS is a byproduct of US policies in the Middle East.


"ISIS is a tool at the hands of the United States. They tell the Europeans that if we (the Americans) do not intervene, ISIS will cause you harm," he said. In fact, however, he added, Iran and Russia are the main targets of ISIS terror.

Turkey and Israel Are Directly Supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda Terrorists In Syria
U.N. blue helmets responsible for monitoring the decades-old cease-fire report observing armed opposition groups “transferring 89 wounded persons” from Syrian territory into Israel, where they were received by members of the Israel Defense Forces, according to the report. The IDF returned 21 Syrians to armed opposition members back in Syria, including the bodies of two who died.

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The Times of Israel reported last month:

A Free Syrian Army commander, arrested last month by the Islamist militia Al-Nusra Front, told his captors he collaborated with Israel in return for medical and military support, in a video released this week.

In a video uploaded to YouTube Monday … Sharif As-Safouri, the commander of the Free Syrian Army’s Al-Haramein Battalion, admitted to having entered Israel five times to meet with Israeli officers who later provided him with Soviet anti-tank weapons and light arms. Safouri was abducted by the al-Qaeda-affiliated Al-Nusra Front in the Quneitra area, near the Israeli border, on July 22.

“The [opposition] factions would receive support and send the injured in [to Israel] on condition that the Israeli fence area is secured. No person was allowed to come near the fence without prior coordination with Israel authorities,” Safouri said in the video.

Again, old propaganda by the piece of shit. That is an image of a Syrian refugee being helped by Israel, not an ISIS member. Not a word of truth coming out of that member name mister bean.

Israel helping to fund the Kurd's fight against isis

Israel Buys Three-Quarters Of Its Oil From Kurds: Report

Israel has turned to Iraq’s semi-autonomous Kurdish region for most of its oil requirements, buying up to three-quarters of its supplies from the region in recent months, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

Iraqi Kurdistan reportedly supplied 19 million barrels of oil to Israel between May and August this year, accounting for three-fourths of Israel’s total consumption. The transaction may be a way for Tel Aviv to secretly support the Kurds in their ongoing fight against the Islamic State group, the report added, citing industry insiders

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“We do not care where the oil goes once we have delivered it to the traders,” an unnamed Kurdish senior official told the Financial Times. “Our priority is getting the cash to fund our Peshmerga forces against Daesh [ISIS] and to pay civil servants’ salaries.”

The report also expanded on Kurdistan’s role in exporting oil to other European nations, including Italy, France and Greece, noting that traders and industry analysts believed Israel may be purchasing the oil at a discounted price.

In February, a Kurdish tanker known as the United Kalvrvta unloaded 1 million barrels of crude in Israel, despite significant opposition from the Iraqi central government in Baghdad, according to local reports.

Israel Buys Three-Quarters Of Its Oil From Kurds: Report

 

[Roudy]

One of the saddest things was watching the ISIS animals (once again, with no consequence of course) blowing up that ancient temple in Palmira they are standing in front of. They are constantly proving to the world what a filthy, intolerant, barbaric faith Islam truly is.

How many American lives were as one going to give up to stop that?

Well Obama already pissed away all the American lives lost and maimed in Iraq. All the cities and areas under joint American / Iraqi control are now in the hands of ISIS. Shame on America for letting this president get away with it.

 

[Roudy]

We should nuke the isis...That is all we should do.

Problem is ISIS are less that 100,000 (approx 30,000 to 70,000) in among millions...

This is the best journalist in the neighbourhood:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...bombing-whom-in-the-middle-east-10222938.html

Let me try to get this right. The Saudis are bombing Yemen because they fear the Shia Houthis are working for the Iranians. The Saudis are also bombing Isis in Iraq and the Isis in Syria. So are the United Arab Emirates. The Syrian government is bombing its enemies in Syria and the Iraqi government is also bombing its enemies in Iraq. America, France, Britain, Denmark, Holland, Australia and – believe it or not – Canada are bombing Isis in Syria and Isis in Iraq, partly on behalf of the Iraqi government (for which read Shia militias) but absolutely not on behalf of the Syrian government.

The Jordanians and Saudis and Bahrainis are also bombing Isis in Syria and Iraq because they don’t like them, but the Jordanians are bombing Isis even more than the Saudis after their pilot-prisoner was burned to death in a cage. The Egyptians are bombing parts of Libya because a group of Christian Egyptians had their heads chopped off by what might – notionally – be the same so-called Islamic State, as Isis refers to itself. The Iranians have acknowledged bombing Isis in Iraq – of which the Americans (but not the Iraqi government) take a rather dim view. And of course the Israelis have several times bombed Syrian government forces in Syria but not Isis (an interesting choice, we’d all agree). Chocks away!

It amazes me that all these warriors of the air don’t regularly crash into each other as they go on bombing and bombing

In other words Obama's foreign policy has been a massive cluster **** of one disaster after another. He went out of his way to bomb and destabilize countries which were otherwise stable and harmless. Why the **** did the asshole bomb Libya and remove Ghadaffi again? Only to turn it over to ISIS.

 

[velvtacheeze]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

 

[Obiwan]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

And yet the Dimwits are backing one of the main proponents of that war....

 

[Roudy]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

So again, you want to go back to 2003 and not 2008 when Obama was handed a totally stable Iraq which he then proceeded to destroy and piss away the lives America had lost in gaining it.

 

[velvtacheeze]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

And yet the Dimwits are backing one of the main proponents of that war....

She has since learned from that mistake, so she's off the hook. It's on you to get over that, not for Democrats to change.

 

[Roudy]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

And yet the Dimwits are backing one of the main proponents of that war....

She has since learned from that mistake, so she's off the hook. It's on you to get over that, not for Democrats to change.

Ah, she has learned that if she wants to be elected that's what she has to say. So like Obama she's an all around liar and a fraud. No wonder her approval ratings are in the toilet.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

So again, you want to go back to 2003 and not 2008 when Obama was handed a totally stable Iraq which he then proceeded to destroy and piss away the lives America had lost in gaining it.

Just curious, but what part of Bush planned to leave, and we were told to leave, did you miss?

"The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

 

[velvtacheeze]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

So again, you want to go back to 2003 and not 2008 when Obama was handed a totally stable Iraq which he then proceeded to destroy and piss away the lives America had lost in gaining it.

Totally stable Iraq?

Even the "lower" violence of the surge era wasn't supposed to be at the level it was. Remember, Cheney predicted cheering, supportive Iraqis. Instead we had years and years of terrorism from the Iraqis who overwhielmingly didn't want us there. I love how conservatives have convinced themselves that the post-surge Iraq was a success. Talk about moving the goal posts during the game.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

^ Obama bin Chooming

 

[CrusaderFrank]

^ Iraq When Bush Left

^ Iraq after Obama Switched Sides to support his brother in Jihad ISIS, and Al Qaeda

 

[Obiwan]

The mistake of America in Iraq started in 2003.

So again, you want to go back to 2003 and not 2008 when Obama was handed a totally stable Iraq which he then proceeded to destroy and piss away the lives America had lost in gaining it.

Totally stable Iraq?

Even the "lower" violence of the surge era wasn't supposed to be at the level it was. Remember, Cheney predicted cheering, supportive Iraqis. Instead we had years and years of terrorism from the Iraqis who overwhielmingly didn't want us there. I love how conservatives have convinced themselves that the post-surge Iraq was a success. Talk about moving the goal posts during the game.

So you're calling Obozo a lying POS???
Flashback » Obama: 'We're Leaving Behind A Sovereign, Stable And Self-Reliant Iraq' - YouTube

 

[velvtacheeze]

No, I'm just saying the mistake started in 2003, not 2009.

 

[Obiwan]

No, I'm just saying the mistake started in 2003, not 2009.

So letting Iraq go from being stable and secure to being a terrorist hell hole controlled by ISIS is no biggie, because it might show people how badly Obozo fucked up???

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Is the US "at war" with ISIS? No, I do not believe it is. The United States has provided military assistance to Iraq, which is dealing with a militant invasion from a terrorist organization. This is not out fight, it is Iraq's fight.

Human history belongs to everyone on the planet and all of us should strive to understand & protect that knowledge. Can you imagine if someone or some group planned to destroy the Great Pyramid? Just because many of these historical sites aren't Christian in nature doesn't mean we shouldn't protect them.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, I'm just saying the mistake started in 2003, not 2009.

So letting Iraq go from being stable and secure to being a terrorist hell hole controlled by ISIS is no biggie, because it might show people how badly Obozo fucked up???

How is Iraq not defending itself, after we were told to leave, Obama's fault?

 

[velvtacheeze]

No, I'm just saying the mistake started in 2003, not 2009.

So letting Iraq go from being stable and secure to being a terrorist hell hole controlled by ISIS is no biggie, because it might show people how badly Obozo fucked up???

You keep falsely claiming that Iraq was stable and secure. It never was. I don't care if Obama claimed it was either. It's not factual. It's been a violent clusterf___ since Dubya made the mistake of invading Iraq in 2003. Conservatives and GOPers need to fess up about the error already.

 

[Obiwan]

No, I'm just saying the mistake started in 2003, not 2009.

So letting Iraq go from being stable and secure to being a terrorist hell hole controlled by ISIS is no biggie, because it might show people how badly Obozo fucked up???

You keep falsely claiming that Iraq was stable and secure. It never was. I don't care if Obama claimed it was either. It's not factual. It's been a violent clusterf___ since Dubya made the mistake of invading Iraq in 2003. Conservatives and GOPers need to fess up about the error already.

So you are claiming Obozo is a lying POS and Hillary helped start a war that turned out to be a huge mistake.

 

[velvtacheeze]

No, I'm just saying the mistake started in 2003, not 2009.

So letting Iraq go from being stable and secure to being a terrorist hell hole controlled by ISIS is no biggie, because it might show people how badly Obozo fucked up???

You keep falsely claiming that Iraq was stable and secure. It never was. I don't care if Obama claimed it was either. It's not factual. It's been a violent clusterf___ since Dubya made the mistake of invading Iraq in 2003. Conservatives and GOPers need to fess up about the error already.

So you are claiming Obozo is a lying POS and Hillary helped start a war that turned out to be a huge mistake.

No, I'm placing most of the blame on the GOP, conservatism.and George W Bush, the most embarrsingly stupid and ill-spoken idiot that this country has ever elected President.

We are still living with the damage his Presidency caused.