The West convinced the Ukraine to give up it's nukes

Votto

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Then Obama guaranteed them safety in 2014.

They believed him?

One side effect of this would be countries leaving the NPT and developing Nukes for their own protection.

I would say Saudi, Poland, and South Korea would be next on the list

Japan would be if not for their hard anti-nuclear weapon stance.
 
One side effect of this would be countries leaving the NPT and developing Nukes for their own protection.

I would say Saudi, Poland, and South Korea would be next on the list

Japan would be if not for their hard anti-nuclear weapon stance.
Don't forget the truckers.

Give them nukes and watch Trudy melt like ice on a hot summers day.
 
NATO runs away scared.

 
These right wingers and Russian trolls are little different than the Russian "separatists" in Donbas
 

Then Obama guaranteed them safety in 2014.

They believed him?
Clinton created the backdoor for the russians to drive their tanks through

then bush, obama, trump and biden failed to fix it
 

Then Obama guaranteed them safety in 2014.

They believed him?
Actually it occurred with BushI. And Putin reneged.

Who knows if it was "a mistake." One fear was that if all the former Soviet states kept nuclear warheads, terrorists would acquire them. I don't think that was an unrealistic fear. But I think Putin's claim of some legitimate fear of being invaded by Nato is absurd, and anyone buying that shit really has an alternative agenda. Putin hasn't hid the fact that he thinks the dissolution of the Soviet Empire was worse than ... WWI, the holocaust, the Cold War ....

But I don't think current events can be blamed on either Bush or Obama or really upon Trump. Putin is the cause.
 

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