The unsustainability of "green" energy

[ABikerSailor]

P@triot is a confused individual. I just did a Google search for "buy home solar panels", and I saw that you could get a 6.3 KW grid tied system for around 9,900 dollars (and being tied into the grid means that when you make more than you use, the power company has to pay YOU for the electricity).

That was at the high end.

At the low end was a solar panel that was 4 ft by 12 ft for 173.37.

Nope............P@triot is full of crap.

Google

The link is above junior. You can't read, you can't click, and you can't Google. No wonder you need government to take care of you.

So, you don't have anything to prove your claims that green energy is too expensive and cannot work, other than what you've said.

I've posted a Google search (like you suggested) that shows you can get a 6.3 KW panel that will sell energy back to the electric company. BTW................know what happens when you sell energy back to the power company? You get paid. Know what that money can go for? Paying off your solar panels early.

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

 

[P@triot]

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

I've fiercely protected it from people like you who piss on the U.S. Constitution and support candidates who strip us of rights and freedoms.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Green energy works when it's owned by the individual. If you can live off the solar panels on your roof then it works.

It also works for the nation as well. Look at how much energy France gets from green sources.

Yeah, nuclear.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

P@triot is a confused individual. I just did a Google search for "buy home solar panels", and I saw that you could get a 6.3 KW grid tied system for around 9,900 dollars (and being tied into the grid means that when you make more than you use, the power company has to pay YOU for the electricity).

That was at the high end.

At the low end was a solar panel that was 4 ft by 12 ft for 173.37.

Nope............P@triot is full of crap.

Google

The link is above junior. You can't read, you can't click, and you can't Google. No wonder you need government to take care of you.

So, you don't have anything to prove your claims that green energy is too expensive and cannot work, other than what you've said.

I've posted a Google search (like you suggested) that shows you can get a 6.3 KW panel that will sell energy back to the electric company. BTW................know what happens when you sell energy back to the power company? You get paid. Know what that money can go for? Paying off your solar panels early.

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

You spent 21 years pushing paper.

 

[ABikerSailor]

P@triot is a confused individual. I just did a Google search for "buy home solar panels", and I saw that you could get a 6.3 KW grid tied system for around 9,900 dollars (and being tied into the grid means that when you make more than you use, the power company has to pay YOU for the electricity).

That was at the high end.

At the low end was a solar panel that was 4 ft by 12 ft for 173.37.

Nope............P@triot is full of crap.

Google

The link is above junior. You can't read, you can't click, and you can't Google. No wonder you need government to take care of you.

So, you don't have anything to prove your claims that green energy is too expensive and cannot work, other than what you've said.

I've posted a Google search (like you suggested) that shows you can get a 6.3 KW panel that will sell energy back to the electric company. BTW................know what happens when you sell energy back to the power company? You get paid. Know what that money can go for? Paying off your solar panels early.

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

You spent 21 years pushing paper.

Yep, and because I was so good at it, my last 2 tours were independent duty, done back to back. One was as an independent admin on an MSC vessel, the second one was running a MEPS as Head Classifier and LPO.

But, not all of it was easy, because there were 4 war zones involved. Beruit, Desert Storm pts 1 and 2, and Kosovo.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

P@triot is a confused individual. I just did a Google search for "buy home solar panels", and I saw that you could get a 6.3 KW grid tied system for around 9,900 dollars (and being tied into the grid means that when you make more than you use, the power company has to pay YOU for the electricity).

That was at the high end.

At the low end was a solar panel that was 4 ft by 12 ft for 173.37.

Nope............P@triot is full of crap.

Google

The link is above junior. You can't read, you can't click, and you can't Google. No wonder you need government to take care of you.

So, you don't have anything to prove your claims that green energy is too expensive and cannot work, other than what you've said.

I've posted a Google search (like you suggested) that shows you can get a 6.3 KW panel that will sell energy back to the electric company. BTW................know what happens when you sell energy back to the power company? You get paid. Know what that money can go for? Paying off your solar panels early.

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

You spent 21 years pushing paper.

Yep, and because I was so good at it, my last 2 tours were independent duty, done back to back. One was as an independent admin on an MSC vessel, the second one was running a MEPS as Head Classifier and LPO.

But, not all of it was easy, because there were 4 war zones involved. Beruit, Desert Storm pts 1 and 2, and Kosovo.

I don't think you want to compare service records. You would lose.

 

[P@triot]

P@triot is a confused individual. I just did a Google search for "buy home solar panels", and I saw that you could get a 6.3 KW grid tied system for around 9,900 dollars (and being tied into the grid means that when you make more than you use, the power company has to pay YOU for the electricity).

That was at the high end.

At the low end was a solar panel that was 4 ft by 12 ft for 173.37.

Nope............P@triot is full of crap.

Google

The link is above junior. You can't read, you can't click, and you can't Google. No wonder you need government to take care of you.

So, you don't have anything to prove your claims that green energy is too expensive and cannot work, other than what you've said.

I've posted a Google search (like you suggested) that shows you can get a 6.3 KW panel that will sell energy back to the electric company. BTW................know what happens when you sell energy back to the power company? You get paid. Know what that money can go for? Paying off your solar panels early.

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

You spent 21 years pushing paper.

Yep, and because I was so good at it, my last 2 tours were independent duty, done back to back. One was as an independent admin on an MSC vessel, the second one was running a MEPS as Head Classifier and LPO.

But, not all of it was easy, because there were 4 war zones involved. Beruit, Desert Storm pts 1 and 2, and Kosovo.

I don't think you want to compare service records. You would lose.

A sincere thank you for your service ART...

 

[ABikerSailor]

P@triot is a confused individual. I just did a Google search for "buy home solar panels", and I saw that you could get a 6.3 KW grid tied system for around 9,900 dollars (and being tied into the grid means that when you make more than you use, the power company has to pay YOU for the electricity).

That was at the high end.

At the low end was a solar panel that was 4 ft by 12 ft for 173.37.

Nope............P@triot is full of crap.

Google

The link is above junior. You can't read, you can't click, and you can't Google. No wonder you need government to take care of you.

So, you don't have anything to prove your claims that green energy is too expensive and cannot work, other than what you've said.

I've posted a Google search (like you suggested) that shows you can get a 6.3 KW panel that will sell energy back to the electric company. BTW................know what happens when you sell energy back to the power company? You get paid. Know what that money can go for? Paying off your solar panels early.

And no....................I didn't have the government take care of me, I actually spent around 21 years of my life defending it in the U.S. Navy.

What have you done?

You spent 21 years pushing paper.

Yep, and because I was so good at it, my last 2 tours were independent duty, done back to back. One was as an independent admin on an MSC vessel, the second one was running a MEPS as Head Classifier and LPO.

But, not all of it was easy, because there were 4 war zones involved. Beruit, Desert Storm pts 1 and 2, and Kosovo.

I don't think you want to compare service records. You would lose.

Not trying to compare service records, just letting you know that even though I was a "titless WAVE", I'm still proud of what I did and how I did it.

Wasn't your typical PN though, because NAVY stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself, and because I was a poor dumb country boy from Montana who had never seen anything like the ships and planes I was stationed around, I volunteered for anything that would get me close to stuff like that. Might be the reason that I was selected for Independent Duty for my last 2 tours.

 

[P@triot]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

Consumers Pay as Regulators Allow Natural Gas at Solar Plant

 

[mamooth]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

 

[westwall]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

 

[P@triot]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

You know what clearly bothers you? The truth. Renewable energy has been a catastrophic failure - even with trillions of dollars in government subsidies since the Carter Administration. Hell - Solyndra went bankrupt and out of business despite half a billion dollars from Obama. Do you have any idea how pitiful your product has to be to fail so miserably that you can't keep a business afloat with someone handing you half a billion dollars for free?!?

Seriously mamooth - how dumb do you look right now? Do you even think before posting or is advancing the ideology so important to you that you're willing to throw yourself on the grenade for it and destroy your own credibility as a decent and rational person? I'm curious to know which one it actually is.

 

[Mindful]

If it could be like this.

100% Self-Reliant Town in the Netherlands Will Live Off-Grid, Producing All of Its Own Energy and Food

 

[mamooth]

You know what clearly bothers you?

You're like a buggy-whip maker ranting how those horseless carriages are clearly a failure, even as thousands of them drive by. As proof, you point to a single car manufacturer that went bankrupt. The sheer scale of your detachment from reality actually inspires pity.

You rave about Solyndra, while ignoring the vastly more numerous success stories. I've got a massive thriving renewable power industry backing me up. You've got a few cherrypicks, and your carefully constructed anti-reality bubble.

You no longer even rise to the level of comic relief. All you have left is your precious conspiracy theories. The world has moved on down he road without you, after spinning gravel in your face, and you're not even visible in the rear-view mirror. So sit back and enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

 

[Mudda]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

 

[westwall]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

No, they don't. They get tax breaks like any other manufacturer. Not subsidies. But, let us take ALL of those away too. Let us pass a law that says they don't get to depreciate equipment or any other legitimate tax avoidance loophole that exists in the tax code. They get nothing, but so too do the "green" companies. They too get nothing.

In one half of a year EVERY green energy company would be out of business. Every. Single. One. The oil companies on the other hand, will be cruising right along providing the world with energy and the only result of them losing their tax breaks will be we pay a tad more for our energy. Maybe not though, the government charges ALL of us a fee on top of our energy bills to support those so called "green" energy companies. With that fee gone our energy costs might actually drop. I haven't run the numbers.

 

[bripat9643]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

What utter horseshit. I've seen that claim posted dozens of times by forum morons like you, and I've cut it to ribbons every single time.

 

[bripat9643]

You know what clearly bothers you?

You're like a buggy-whip maker ranting how those horseless carriages are clearly a failure, even as thousands of them drive by. As proof, you point to a single car manufacturer that went bankrupt. The sheer scale of your detachment from reality actually inspires pity.

You rave about Solyndra, while ignoring the vastly more numerous success stories. I've got a massive thriving renewable power industry backing me up. You've got a few cherrypicks, and your carefully constructed anti-reality bubble.

You no longer even rise to the level of comic relief. All you have left is your precious conspiracy theories. The world has moved on down he road without you, after spinning gravel in your face, and you're not even visible in the rear-view mirror. So sit back and enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

When did the auto manufacturers get government subsidies? Your "massive thriving renewable power industry" would disappear in a month without massive government subsidies.

That's the problem with your absurd analogies. They always crash against the hard rocks of historical reality. The "infant industries" argument has been shot down by economists a million times, but there are always douche bags like you who believe no one is wise to your cons.

 

[bripat9643]

If it could be like this.

100% Self-Reliant Town in the Netherlands Will Live Off-Grid, Producing All of Its Own Energy and Food

You'll never hear another word about this project when it goes down in flames.

 

[P@triot]

If it could be like this.

100% Self-Reliant Town in the Netherlands Will Live Off-Grid, Producing All of Its Own Energy and Food

"We're really looking at starting off as the Tesla of Eco Villages". I'm 100% for this if it is done like Tesla. Which means the government doesn't illegally steal my tax dollars and throw it at the project. Instead, it's funded by private investors in the private sector.

The truth is - if the green energy fallacy was worth a damn - it wouldn't need government funding. Did the government have to fund the iPhone? The iPad? Google? Facebook? Only failed concepts need government funding. Great products take off and make a ton of money on their own (and have no problem getting private funding).