The unsustainability of "green" energy

[bripat9643]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

The more renewable energy grows, the more it will cost American consumers. All green energy does is screw the poor who can't afford it.

Hydro electricity is green, renewable and cheap. Now you know.

If it's so green, then why are environmental wackos always trying to shut it down?

 

[bripat9643]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

The more renewable energy grows, the more it will cost American consumers. All green energy does is screw the poor who can't afford it.

Hydro electricity is green, renewable and cheap. Now you know.

How many new dams do American libs want us to build?

None, is the correct answer.

 

[westwall]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

No, they don't. They get tax breaks like any other manufacturer. Not subsidies. But, let us take ALL of those away too. Let us pass a law that says they don't get to depreciate equipment or any other legitimate tax avoidance loophole that exists in the tax code. They get nothing, but so too do the "green" companies. They too get nothing.

In one half of a year EVERY green energy company would be out of business. Every. Single. One. The oil companies on the other hand, will be cruising right along providing the world with energy and the only result of them losing their tax breaks will be we pay a tad more for our energy. Maybe not though, the government charges ALL of us a fee on top of our energy bills to support those so called "green" energy companies. With that fee gone our energy costs might actually drop. I haven't run the numbers.

Hydro electric power generating is green and those companies arent going out of business any time soon.

Yes, and they are government subsidized for their very creation. They are a good source of power but the taxpayer is involved in every aspect of a dams creation. I suggest you read the history of the TVA and the US Bureau of Reclamation is who built the Grand Coulee dam, the largest of its type in the US. So, once again, the government and the American Taxpayer paid for them.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yessirree, Damned ol' FDR and Hoover built all them thar dams on the taxpayers back, and they produced the electricity that smelted the aluminum that created the bomber fleet that won WW2. What bad men they were.

 

[Old Rocks]

You are right, they don't need to build more dams. Oregon and Washington are building thousands of windmills. A perfect complement to the dams. When the mills are producing, they don't have to run the turbines. And can save water for later use.

 

[westwall]

Yessirree, Damned ol' FDR and Hoover built all them thar dams on the taxpayers back, and they produced the electricity that smelted the aluminum that created the bomber fleet that won WW2. What bad men they were.

Oh goody a simplistic response from the Board simpleton. The claim was that they were not taxpayer subsidized. I showed that to be false. Face it clown boy without taxpayer support NO GREEN energy company can last more than 6 months. The oil companies, on the other hand, can. Take away their tax breaks (because that's what they are, they are NOT subsidies) and they are still doing business. Your crap energy companies are shit outa luck.

That's the reality of "green" energy companies.

 

[P@triot]

Yessirree, Damned ol' FDR and Hoover built all them thar dams on the taxpayers back, and they produced the electricity that smelted the aluminum that created the bomber fleet that won WW2. What bad men they were.

We had electricity before FDR, stupid. And, had he built that because we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, it wouldn't have been ready before the war ended (it took 5 years and one month to build the damn April 1931 to May 1936 while Pearl Harbor occurred December 1941 and V-Day was May 1945 - or 3 years and 5 months).

Any other desperate and stupid shit you want to spout Old Rocks?

 

[Mudda]

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

No, they don't. They get tax breaks like any other manufacturer. Not subsidies. But, let us take ALL of those away too. Let us pass a law that says they don't get to depreciate equipment or any other legitimate tax avoidance loophole that exists in the tax code. They get nothing, but so too do the "green" companies. They too get nothing.

In one half of a year EVERY green energy company would be out of business. Every. Single. One. The oil companies on the other hand, will be cruising right along providing the world with energy and the only result of them losing their tax breaks will be we pay a tad more for our energy. Maybe not though, the government charges ALL of us a fee on top of our energy bills to support those so called "green" energy companies. With that fee gone our energy costs might actually drop. I haven't run the numbers.

Hydro electric power generating is green and those companies arent going out of business any time soon.

Yes, and they are government subsidized for their very creation. They are a good source of power but the taxpayer is involved in every aspect of a dams creation. I suggest you read the history of the TVA and the US Bureau of Reclamation is who built the Grand Coulee dam, the largest of its type in the US. So, once again, the government and the American Taxpayer paid for them.

The government paid for and owns the Grand Coulee Dam and it's a massive money maker and water controller. You don't like the government making money?

 

[Wyatt earp]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

The more renewable energy grows, the more it will cost American consumers. All green energy does is screw the poor who can't afford it.

Hydro electricity is green, renewable and cheap. Now you know.

How many new dams do American libs want us to build?

He is retarded, the U.S. got out of the dam business eons ago.

 

[mamooth]

Face it clown boy without taxpayer support NO GREEN energy company can last more than 6 months.

The deniers here keep chanting that reality-defying statement like a mantra, but they've never shown any hard data to back up that emotion-based fantasy.

Hard data would be some numbers. Show us the profits of every single green energy companies, show how much in subsidies they receive, show how they couldn't be profitable at all without the subsidies. And do it for every green energy company in the world, since your claim is that every green energy company in the world would fail.

Remember, we here in the progressive reality-based community run on facts, not feelings. Your emotion-based appeals will score points with fellow deniers, but not with rational people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Face it clown boy without taxpayer support NO GREEN energy company can last more than 6 months.

The deniers here keep chanting that reality-defying statement like a mantra, but they've never shown any hard data to back up that emotion-based fantasy.

Hard data would be some numbers. Show us the profits of every single green energy companies, show how much in subsidies they receive, show how they couldn't be profitable at all without the subsidies. And do it for every green energy company in the world, since your claim is that every green energy company in the world would fail.

Remember, we here in the progressive reality-based community run on facts, not feelings. Your emotion-based appeals will score points with fellow deniers, but not with rational people.

Show us the profits of every single green energy companies,

Do you know of any profitable green energy company?

 

[hauke]

you obviousely have no clue what sustainability means.

i ll demonstrate.

iff a scource of energy is infinite its sustainable.

fossile fuels are not sustainable, because the recource is limited.

solar energy is sustainable, because it will be available for the next 2 billion years.

wind energy is the result of solar energy so see above.

wave energy is the result of solar energy so see above.

tide energy is the result of the moon orbiting earth, tidal energy will be available for the next 2 billion years. sustainable

fossile fuels will be gone in about 500 years, turning earth atmosphere in something real evil, not sustainable

 

[Wyatt earp]

you obviousely have no clue what sustainability means.

i ll demonstrate.

iff a scource of energy is infinite its sustainable.

fossile fuels are not sustainable, because the recource is limited.

solar energy is sustainable, because it will be available for the next 2 billion years.

wind energy is the result of solar energy so see above.

wave energy is the result of solar energy so see above.

tide energy is the result of the moon orbiting earth, tidal energy will be available for the next 2 billion years. sustainable

fossile fuels will be gone in about 500 years, turning earth atmosphere in something real evil, not sustainable

Seriously dude, you said you went to college?

What was it Ronald McDonald's university?

tide energy is the result of the moon orbiting earth, tidal energy will be available for the next 2 billion years. sustainable

Tidal energy will run out in only a few million years


Will the Moon ever leave Earth’s orbit? | Space Facts – Astronomy, the Solar System & Outer Space | All About Space Magazine

 

[hauke]

tidal energy will run out in a few million years ...

are you aware that tides are made by the gravitational energy of the moon ?

are you aware that the moon will stil be there in a billion years ?

so how do you explaint that tidal energy will be gone in a few million years ?

and you say i go to ronald mcdonald university ...

appearently you diddn t even finish middleschool

 

[Wyatt earp]

tidal energy will run out in a few million years ...

are you aware that tides are made by the gravitational energy of the moon ?

are you aware that the moon will stil be there in a billion years ?

so how do you explaint that tidal energy will be gone in a few million years ?

and you say i go to ronald mcdonald university ...

appearently you diddn t even finish middleschool

Hey Mr. Ronald McDonald did you bother to read the link?

The moon is moving away from earth at one point in a few million years , one side of earth will always face the moon..


Hence no tidal waves ...

Retard

 

[Wyatt earp]

and so sweet if someone belives total nutshell moron magazines

please use real scientific magazines as quotes,not nutcases

all about space is your science ? your a nutcase

Its been common knowledge Mr Assclown.....



When Apollo 11 astronauts landed on the moon in 1969, they left a reflector array there in the Sea of Tranquility. That array is part of the space agency's Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment. Scientists on Earth can bounce laser pulses off that reflector and learn a lot about the moon. For instance, they can calculate the moon's distance within 3 centimeters (1.18 inches). Data from the experiment shows that the moon moves away from the Earth at about 3.82 centimeters (1.5 inches) per year.

Why the Moon Is Leaving
The Earth and the moon influence each other's actions as seen in tides that occur because of the moon. For instance, when the moon is overhead, its gravity tugs on water below, creating tides that are higher than normal. Energy exchange and momentum resulting from tidal interactions affects both bodies in two ways: The Earth's rotational speed slows down, and the moon gets farther away.

Effects of a Distant Moon
Because the moon is moving away from Earth so slowly, it will take millions of years for anyone to notice the recession. In the distant future, total eclipses will not exist because as the moon's apparent size in the sky diminishes, it will not be able to completely cover the sun during a total eclipse. In addition, tides won't be as strong because the moon will be farther away and its gravitational pull will be weaker.

 

[westwall]

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

No, they don't. They get tax breaks like any other manufacturer. Not subsidies. But, let us take ALL of those away too. Let us pass a law that says they don't get to depreciate equipment or any other legitimate tax avoidance loophole that exists in the tax code. They get nothing, but so too do the "green" companies. They too get nothing.

In one half of a year EVERY green energy company would be out of business. Every. Single. One. The oil companies on the other hand, will be cruising right along providing the world with energy and the only result of them losing their tax breaks will be we pay a tad more for our energy. Maybe not though, the government charges ALL of us a fee on top of our energy bills to support those so called "green" energy companies. With that fee gone our energy costs might actually drop. I haven't run the numbers.

Hydro electric power generating is green and those companies arent going out of business any time soon.

Yes, and they are government subsidized for their very creation. They are a good source of power but the taxpayer is involved in every aspect of a dams creation. I suggest you read the history of the TVA and the US Bureau of Reclamation is who built the Grand Coulee dam, the largest of its type in the US. So, once again, the government and the American Taxpayer paid for them.

The government paid for and owns the Grand Coulee Dam and it's a massive money maker and water controller. You don't like the government making money?

Who is the government? Oh right. It's us the taxpayers.

 

[westwall]

Face it clown boy without taxpayer support NO GREEN energy company can last more than 6 months.

The deniers here keep chanting that reality-defying statement like a mantra, but they've never shown any hard data to back up that emotion-based fantasy.

Hard data would be some numbers. Show us the profits of every single green energy companies, show how much in subsidies they receive, show how they couldn't be profitable at all without the subsidies. And do it for every green energy company in the world, since your claim is that every green energy company in the world would fail.

Remember, we here in the progressive reality-based community run on facts, not feelings. Your emotion-based appeals will score points with fellow deniers, but not with rational people.

It's not a "mantra" when it is a fact clown boy. Show us a single "green" energy company that operates in the black without massive taxpayer help. C'mon little kitty, show us.

 

[westwall]

you obviousely have no clue what sustainability means.

i ll demonstrate.

iff a scource of energy is infinite its sustainable.

fossile fuels are not sustainable, because the recource is limited.

solar energy is sustainable, because it will be available for the next 2 billion years.

wind energy is the result of solar energy so see above.

wave energy is the result of solar energy so see above.

tide energy is the result of the moon orbiting earth, tidal energy will be available for the next 2 billion years. sustainable

fossile fuels will be gone in about 500 years, turning earth atmosphere in something real evil, not sustainable

All you are demonstrating is your complete ignorance of the subject matter. How much fossil fuel usage is there to produce a single windmill? Here's a hint, more than there is to produce a big engine. Solar power is indeed sustainable, it is also totally inefficient. Want power when it's cloudy? Too bad, you can't have any. Want it when it's dark? Same story. How about if your modules get a little dirty? Oooops, they drop from their max rated efficiency of around 20% to below 11%.

Guess how long it would take to charge up your TESLA using solar power. Go ahead...we'll wait till you figure it out.

 

[Mudda]

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

No, they don't. They get tax breaks like any other manufacturer. Not subsidies. But, let us take ALL of those away too. Let us pass a law that says they don't get to depreciate equipment or any other legitimate tax avoidance loophole that exists in the tax code. They get nothing, but so too do the "green" companies. They too get nothing.

In one half of a year EVERY green energy company would be out of business. Every. Single. One. The oil companies on the other hand, will be cruising right along providing the world with energy and the only result of them losing their tax breaks will be we pay a tad more for our energy. Maybe not though, the government charges ALL of us a fee on top of our energy bills to support those so called "green" energy companies. With that fee gone our energy costs might actually drop. I haven't run the numbers.

Hydro electric power generating is green and those companies arent going out of business any time soon.

Yes, and they are government subsidized for their very creation. They are a good source of power but the taxpayer is involved in every aspect of a dams creation. I suggest you read the history of the TVA and the US Bureau of Reclamation is who built the Grand Coulee dam, the largest of its type in the US. So, once again, the government and the American Taxpayer paid for them.

The government paid for and owns the Grand Coulee Dam and it's a massive money maker and water controller. You don't like the government making money?

Who is the government? Oh right. It's us the taxpayers.

So you don't think we should make some money and build our country at the same time?