The unsustainability of "green" energy

[bripat9643]

If it could be like this.

100% Self-Reliant Town in the Netherlands Will Live Off-Grid, Producing All of Its Own Energy and Food

"We're really looking at starting off as the Tesla of Eco Villages". I'm 100% for this if it is done like Tesla. Which means the government doesn't illegally steal my tax dollars and throw it at the project. Instead, it's funded by private investors in the private sector.

The truth is - if the green energy fallacy was worth a damn - it wouldn't need government funding. Did the government have to fund the iPhone? The iPad? Google? Facebook? Only failed concepts need government funding. Great products take off and make a ton of money on their own (and have no problem getting private funding).

Tesla's cars get all kinds of government subsidies, especially in California. He's the ultimate crony capitalist.

 

[mamooth]

Like I keep saying, we've got the real world and real numbers, while you've all only got conspiracy theories.

Aug 14, 2016
Renewables jump 70 per cent in five years
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67b20418-60cc-11e6-ae3f-77baadeb1c93.html

Summary: The 20 largest national economies generated 8.0 percent of their electricity from green sources in 2015, up from 4.6 percent in 2010. Those figures don't include hydro or nuclear.

So, still a long way to go, but far better than any forecasters predicted, due to the plunging prices of wind and solar.

 

[bripat9643]

Like I keep saying, we've got the real world and real numbers, while you've all only got conspiracy theories.

Aug 14, 2016
Renewables jump 70 per cent in five years
Renewables jump 70 per cent in shift away from fossil fuels - FT.com

Summary: The 20 largest national economies generated 8.0 percent of their electricity from green sources in 2015, up from 4.6 percent in 2010. Those figures don't include hydro or nuclear.

So, still a long way to go, but far better than any forecasters predicted, due to the plunging prices of wind and solar.

Let reality sink in:

Energy is 4 times more expensive in Germany.

 

[P@triot]

Like I keep saying, we've got the real world and real numbers, while you've all only got conspiracy theories.

Aug 14, 2016
Renewables jump 70 per cent in five years
Renewables jump 70 per cent in shift away from fossil fuels - FT.com

Summary: The 20 largest national economies generated 8.0 percent of their electricity from green sources in 2015, up from 4.6 percent in 2010. Those figures don't include hydro or nuclear.

So, still a long way to go, but far better than any forecasters predicted, due to the plunging prices of wind and solar.

Let reality sink in:

Energy is 4 times more expensive in Germany.

I told you already - Mamooth eschews reality in favor of absurd ideology.

 

[bripat9643]

Like I keep saying, we've got the real world and real numbers, while you've all only got conspiracy theories.

Aug 14, 2016
Renewables jump 70 per cent in five years
Renewables jump 70 per cent in shift away from fossil fuels - FT.com

Summary: The 20 largest national economies generated 8.0 percent of their electricity from green sources in 2015, up from 4.6 percent in 2010. Those figures don't include hydro or nuclear.

So, still a long way to go, but far better than any forecasters predicted, due to the plunging prices of wind and solar.

Let reality sink in:

Energy is 4 times more expensive in Germany.

I told you already - Mamooth eschews reality in favor of absurd ideology.

Notice no response from him/her.

 

[P@triot]

You know what clearly bothers you?

You rave about Solyndra, while ignoring the vastly more numerous success stories. I've got a massive thriving renewable power industry backing me up. You've got a few cherrypicks, and your carefully constructed anti-reality bubble.

You no longer even rise to the level of comic relief. All you have left is your precious conspiracy theories. The world has moved on down he road without you, after spinning gravel in your face, and you're not even visible in the rear-view mirror. So sit back and enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

Like I said - the truth clearly bothers you. If "green" energy were even remotely viable it would have been impossible for Solyndra to go out of business with a free half a billion dollars. And government wouldn't have needed to throw trillions of dollars at the industry since the Carter Administration. I've given specifics. You've provided nothing but unhinged ideology at the expense of reality.

Watching you have a complete and total meltdown in the face of facts is kind of chilling. You're unhinged, bat-shit crazy really resonates right through the computer screen. Is there anyone you can turn to for help? I'm really worried about you. You're not in a healthy state at all. The lines between fantasy and reality have become extremely blurred for you. Please reach out for the mental healthcare that you need. Talk to someone.

 

[P@triot]

I've got a massive thriving renewable power industry backing me up.

If it was so "thriving" government wouldn't need to spend trillions of dollars over 40 years for a technology which they still haven't been able to bring to fruition.

A customer needs to spend over $10,000 to get the energy equivalent of a ******* AAA battery. It's the kind of failure and insanity that could only come from liberalism.

 

[mamooth]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

Utilities won't pay as much for unreliable wind and solar?
That's certainly shocking!!!

Those cheaper prices must also explain why rates are so much higher in Germany than in the US, right?

 

[P@triot]

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

That's just it dumb-ass....idiot libtards like you support idiot libtards like Hitlery Clinton who are attempting to illegally leverage government to put viable energy sources out of business.

Take away the government regulations and the government subsidies and there would not be a single "green energy" company in business today. Not one. Your comment here clearly illustrates that you haven't grasped the entire point of this thread. No wonder you're so angry. You don't even know what the discussion is about.

Eliminate all government interference (including laws and financing) for energy and then lets put our money where our mouths are. I guarantee you'll be dead broke in less than six months and I'll retire a billionaire. It's just a fact, dumb-ass.

 

[mamooth]

Take away the government regulations and the government subsidies and there would not be a single "green energy" company in business today. Not one.

You keep saying that. Apparently, it's like a religious mantra to you and all of the anti-green-energy cultists.

Sadly, you haven't provided any evidence to support that crazy claim. You all seem to think that repeating it will magically make it true, and that if you scream loudly enough, nobody will be allowed to point out you're just making it up.

We here in the reason-based community do things differently. We want evidence.

So, kindly show us your evidence that every green energy company in the world would go out of business without government subsidies. Be sure to show all your work. If you're not just running on "feelings", that should be no problem.

 

[P@triot]

Take away the government regulations and the government subsidies and there would not be a single "green energy" company in business today. Not one.

You keep saying that. Apparently, it's like a religious mantra to you and all of the anti-green-energy cultists.

Sadly, you haven't provided any evidence to support that crazy claim. You all seem to think that repeating it will magically make it true, and that if you scream loudly enough, nobody will be allowed to point out you're just making it up.

We here in the reason-based community do things differently. We want evidence.

So, kindly show us your evidence that every green energy company in the world would go out of business without government subsidies. Be sure to show all your work. If you're not just running on "feelings", that should be no problem.

Um.....because if they could survive without subsidies, they wouldn't be receiving subsidies stupid. This is like saying "the dead body is no evidence of death - please show me some death". It's kind of self-evident in both cases. The existence of subsidies is its own proof.

*Making mamooth my personal ***** since August 17, 2012

 

[bripat9643]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

The more renewable energy grows, the more it will cost American consumers. All green energy does is screw the poor who can't afford it.

 

[Mudda]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

What utter horseshit. I've seen that claim posted dozens of times by forum morons like you, and I've cut it to ribbons every single time.

That must be why there's nothing in your post.

 

[Mudda]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

The more renewable energy grows, the more it will cost American consumers. All green energy does is screw the poor who can't afford it.

Hydro electricity is green, renewable and cheap. Now you know.

 

[Mudda]

This entire "green energy" stuff is such a joke. There isn't anything "green" about it and all it does is drive up costs to insane levels...

It must really bother you, the free market success of renewable energy. You'll either have to renounce capitalism, or admit your political cult's hatred of renewable energy was really dumb.

Meanwhile, we here in the rational camp get to celebrate both capitialism and the economic success of renewable energy.

What "free market success"? "Green" energy companies would not exist were it not for taxpayer subsidies and onerous laws against fossil fuels.

You're full of poo....

The oil and gas sector gets subsidies from governments as well. Or were you clueless to that fact?

No, they don't. They get tax breaks like any other manufacturer. Not subsidies. But, let us take ALL of those away too. Let us pass a law that says they don't get to depreciate equipment or any other legitimate tax avoidance loophole that exists in the tax code. They get nothing, but so too do the "green" companies. They too get nothing.

In one half of a year EVERY green energy company would be out of business. Every. Single. One. The oil companies on the other hand, will be cruising right along providing the world with energy and the only result of them losing their tax breaks will be we pay a tad more for our energy. Maybe not though, the government charges ALL of us a fee on top of our energy bills to support those so called "green" energy companies. With that fee gone our energy costs might actually drop. I haven't run the numbers.

Hydro electric power generating is green and those companies arent going out of business any time soon.

 

[Mudda]

Take away the government regulations and the government subsidies and there would not be a single "green energy" company in business today. Not one.

hydro electric companies, now you know.

 

[P@triot]

Take away the government regulations and the government subsidies and there would not be a single "green energy" company in business today. Not one.

hydro electric companies, now you know.

That's a good example of one of the "green" technologies that would be out of business without government regulations and government subsidies mandating it into existence. Thank you for that great example.

 

[Mudda]

Take away the government regulations and the government subsidies and there would not be a single "green energy" company in business today. Not one.

hydro electric companies, now you know.

That's a good example of one of the "green" technologies that would be out of business without government regulations and government subsidies mandating it into existence. Thank you for that great example.

Too bad you have no clue. Carry on with your delusions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

While you all tell us what you "feel" must be true, solar and wind keep dropping in price, getting cheaper than coal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

The truth about solar: now cheaper than coal

Solar Power Now Cheaper Than Coal In India, Says Energy Minister

Renewable energy installations will continue to grow, and continue to make money, despite you wailing that you "feel" it can't be possible.

Tell you what, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Start shorting the right stocks, investing in others. Let us know how it goes. Maybe invest in some coal stocks. If you had done that previously ... you would have lost everything, as all the major coal companies in the USA went bankrupt. Oops. Maybe that's why you're so cranky.

The more renewable energy grows, the more it will cost American consumers. All green energy does is screw the poor who can't afford it.

Hydro electricity is green, renewable and cheap. Now you know.

How many new dams do American libs want us to build?