The unsustainability of "green" energy

[Mudda]

It's hard to argue against nonsense. When you come up with something worth discussing, I'll respond.

It is because I've proved the truth. And there is no arguing against the truth.

Your "truth" is that "we will see all plant life die (as plants require CO2 for survival and there will be none) as well as the extinction of bird life" because of green technologies.

I've provided the links to how wind turbines are killing birds at an alarming rate. You ran from it. That's what liberals do with reality - run from it.

I never said that birds weren't killed by wind turbines and whatever. But you said "the extinction of bird life", which is irrational.
And you should look up how many birds and animals are killed in oil spills and the like. You'd learn something.

 

[elektra]

Ok, so you have no solution to offer, so why don't you just let those who do have an idea to go ahead with their work so your lights will stay on when the fossil fuels run out?

How is using fossil fuels faster, to build wind turbines and solar panels helping, it is not, you are using more oil to produce these "power plants", Wind Turbines and Solar Panels, they are the largest Power Plants in the World, by a magnitude of 100,000:1. How is increasing the use of Fossil Fuel now, at an extreme rate to produce Wind Turbines and Solar Panels saving Oil or Fossil Fuels?

Without Fossil Fuels and Oil, you can build replacement parts for Solar or Wind Turbines, no Fossil Fuel your solution does not work.

You can not operate a Wind Farm with millions of gallons of oil as a lubricant, so without Oil the Wind Farm does not work at all.

How are you going to run industry with Solar and Wind Farms? That is not possible.

So the solution is to use more Oil now, to build batteries? Which last how long?

You do not have a solution. We do.

It is called Nuclear Power. Works perfectly. Clean, with low upfront cost of Natural Resources.

How do you build Light Bulbs without HydroCarbons, Fossil Fuels, and Petroleum?

I never said that petroleum wasn't useful, it is without a doubt very useful for things like you mention. But finding other sources to power cars and lights... is a good thing.
As for nuclear, I think that the Chernobyl and Fukushima meltdowns proved how dangerous it is. So it's not a long term solution.

We have no Nuclear power plants like Chernobyl, which was caused completely by Human Error.

We have the exact same Fukushima power plants in the USA, and not one is at risk of being hit by a Tsunami.

So explain how those two incidents can happen here in the USA. (not to mention that technology is 60 years old!).

And, how are you going to keep Solar, Wind, and Geothermal operating without Oil or Fossil fuels? There is no solution. So you claim we don't have a plan yet your plan does not work, not now, not in the future. I would love to see you answer, nobody can, so do not feel bad.

 

[Mudda]

Ok, so you have no solution to offer, so why don't you just let those who do have an idea to go ahead with their work so your lights will stay on when the fossil fuels run out?

How is using fossil fuels faster, to build wind turbines and solar panels helping, it is not, you are using more oil to produce these "power plants", Wind Turbines and Solar Panels, they are the largest Power Plants in the World, by a magnitude of 100,000:1. How is increasing the use of Fossil Fuel now, at an extreme rate to produce Wind Turbines and Solar Panels saving Oil or Fossil Fuels?

Without Fossil Fuels and Oil, you can build replacement parts for Solar or Wind Turbines, no Fossil Fuel your solution does not work.

You can not operate a Wind Farm with millions of gallons of oil as a lubricant, so without Oil the Wind Farm does not work at all.

How are you going to run industry with Solar and Wind Farms? That is not possible.

So the solution is to use more Oil now, to build batteries? Which last how long?

You do not have a solution. We do.

It is called Nuclear Power. Works perfectly. Clean, with low upfront cost of Natural Resources.

How do you build Light Bulbs without HydroCarbons, Fossil Fuels, and Petroleum?

I never said that petroleum wasn't useful, it is without a doubt very useful for things like you mention. But finding other sources to power cars and lights... is a good thing.
As for nuclear, I think that the Chernobyl and Fukushima meltdowns proved how dangerous it is. So it's not a long term solution.

We have no Nuclear power plants like Chernobyl, which was caused completely by Human Error.

We have the exact same Fukushima power plants in the USA, and not one is at risk of being hit by a Tsunami.

So explain how those two incidents can happen here in the USA. (not to mention that technology is 60 years old!).

And, how are you going to keep Solar, Wind, and Geothermal operating without Oil or Fossil fuels? There is no solution. So you claim we don't have a plan yet your plan does not work, not now, not in the future. I would love to see you answer, nobody can, so do not feel bad.

I just agreed that fossil fuel products will always be useful to make plastics, lubricating oil...

As for nuclear plants in the US, those on the west coast are at a massive risk from earthquakes. Are you suggesting that you didn't know that?

And to think that you know that green technologies won't work in the future must make you a real fortune teller, and here I was thinking that they were all fakers.

 

[elektra]

Ok, so you have no solution to offer, so why don't you just let those who do have an idea to go ahead with their work so your lights will stay on when the fossil fuels run out?

How is using fossil fuels faster, to build wind turbines and solar panels helping, it is not, you are using more oil to produce these "power plants", Wind Turbines and Solar Panels, they are the largest Power Plants in the World, by a magnitude of 100,000:1. How is increasing the use of Fossil Fuel now, at an extreme rate to produce Wind Turbines and Solar Panels saving Oil or Fossil Fuels?

Without Fossil Fuels and Oil, you can build replacement parts for Solar or Wind Turbines, no Fossil Fuel your solution does not work.

You can not operate a Wind Farm with millions of gallons of oil as a lubricant, so without Oil the Wind Farm does not work at all.

How are you going to run industry with Solar and Wind Farms? That is not possible.

So the solution is to use more Oil now, to build batteries? Which last how long?

You do not have a solution. We do.

It is called Nuclear Power. Works perfectly. Clean, with low upfront cost of Natural Resources.

How do you build Light Bulbs without HydroCarbons, Fossil Fuels, and Petroleum?

I never said that petroleum wasn't useful, it is without a doubt very useful for things like you mention. But finding other sources to power cars and lights... is a good thing.
As for nuclear, I think that the Chernobyl and Fukushima meltdowns proved how dangerous it is. So it's not a long term solution.

We have no Nuclear power plants like Chernobyl, which was caused completely by Human Error.

We have the exact same Fukushima power plants in the USA, and not one is at risk of being hit by a Tsunami.

So explain how those two incidents can happen here in the USA. (not to mention that technology is 60 years old!).

And, how are you going to keep Solar, Wind, and Geothermal operating without Oil or Fossil fuels? There is no solution. So you claim we don't have a plan yet your plan does not work, not now, not in the future. I would love to see you answer, nobody can, so do not feel bad.

I just agreed that fossil fuel products will always be useful to make plastics, lubricating oil...

As for nuclear plants in the US, those on the west coast are at a massive risk from earthquakes. Are you suggesting that you didn't know that?

And to think that you know that green technologies won't work in the future must make you a real fortune teller, and here I was thinking that they were all fakers.

Which Nuclear Plants on the West Coast are at risk?

Green Technologies, how will they work in the future without Oil and Fossil Fuels (which are being consumed at an extreme rate now in the manufacture of green technologies).

How will Green Technologies work without Fossil Fuels? What is the solution, you claim we have no solution yet I have to hound you for yours!

And of course, you will have to imagine something great that may destroy whichever nuclear plants you believe are in danger, so go ahead tell us which plants and how what will happen to them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're technologies are killing birds and plant life, create next to zero energy, and cost an ungodly amount of money. It's no contest. You lose.

Unfortunately, you had already lost. Please try again.

You're technologies are killing birds and plant life, create next to zero energy, and cost an ungodly amount of money. It's no contest. You lost the moment you decided to eschew reality in favor of absurd liberal idealism.

Green technologies are heading in the right direction environment-wise, price-wise and in sustainability. Fossil fuels are simply running out. What then?

They aren't "running out". At all. And so far, "green" technology isn't heading in any direction. It's been in the same stalled/failed state since the 1970's. Only now it's killing plants and birds.

Fossil fuels kill more people every year than wars, murders, and traffic accidents combined

Fossil fuels make our high density, high tech lifestyle possible.

Can't run our technology on more expensive, less reliable, "green energy".

 

[Mudda]

Ok, so you have no solution to offer, so why don't you just let those who do have an idea to go ahead with their work so your lights will stay on when the fossil fuels run out?

How is using fossil fuels faster, to build wind turbines and solar panels helping, it is not, you are using more oil to produce these "power plants", Wind Turbines and Solar Panels, they are the largest Power Plants in the World, by a magnitude of 100,000:1. How is increasing the use of Fossil Fuel now, at an extreme rate to produce Wind Turbines and Solar Panels saving Oil or Fossil Fuels?

Without Fossil Fuels and Oil, you can build replacement parts for Solar or Wind Turbines, no Fossil Fuel your solution does not work.

You can not operate a Wind Farm with millions of gallons of oil as a lubricant, so without Oil the Wind Farm does not work at all.

How are you going to run industry with Solar and Wind Farms? That is not possible.

So the solution is to use more Oil now, to build batteries? Which last how long?

You do not have a solution. We do.

It is called Nuclear Power. Works perfectly. Clean, with low upfront cost of Natural Resources.

How do you build Light Bulbs without HydroCarbons, Fossil Fuels, and Petroleum?

I never said that petroleum wasn't useful, it is without a doubt very useful for things like you mention. But finding other sources to power cars and lights... is a good thing.
As for nuclear, I think that the Chernobyl and Fukushima meltdowns proved how dangerous it is. So it's not a long term solution.

We have no Nuclear power plants like Chernobyl, which was caused completely by Human Error.

We have the exact same Fukushima power plants in the USA, and not one is at risk of being hit by a Tsunami.

So explain how those two incidents can happen here in the USA. (not to mention that technology is 60 years old!).

And, how are you going to keep Solar, Wind, and Geothermal operating without Oil or Fossil fuels? There is no solution. So you claim we don't have a plan yet your plan does not work, not now, not in the future. I would love to see you answer, nobody can, so do not feel bad.

I just agreed that fossil fuel products will always be useful to make plastics, lubricating oil...

As for nuclear plants in the US, those on the west coast are at a massive risk from earthquakes. Are you suggesting that you didn't know that?

And to think that you know that green technologies won't work in the future must make you a real fortune teller, and here I was thinking that they were all fakers.

Which Nuclear Plants on the West Coast are at risk?

Green Technologies, how will they work in the future without Oil and Fossil Fuels (which are being consumed at an extreme rate now in the manufacture of green technologies).

How will Green Technologies work without Fossil Fuels? What is the solution, you claim we have no solution yet I have to hound you for yours!

And of course, you will have to imagine something great that may destroy whichever nuclear plants you believe are in danger, so go ahead tell us which plants and how what will happen to them.

Any plant near the San Andreas fault is at risk for starters. Or the west coast in case of a tsunami from the earthquake(s).

And I keep repeating that yes, fossil fuels will always have a use as lubricants and whatever. Stop beating that dead horse.

 

[Mudda]

Unfortunately, you had already lost. Please try again.

You're technologies are killing birds and plant life, create next to zero energy, and cost an ungodly amount of money. It's no contest. You lost the moment you decided to eschew reality in favor of absurd liberal idealism.

Green technologies are heading in the right direction environment-wise, price-wise and in sustainability. Fossil fuels are simply running out. What then?

They aren't "running out". At all. And so far, "green" technology isn't heading in any direction. It's been in the same stalled/failed state since the 1970's. Only now it's killing plants and birds.

Fossil fuels kill more people every year than wars, murders, and traffic accidents combined

Fossil fuels make our high density, high tech lifestyle possible.

Can't run our technology on more expensive, less reliable, "green energy".

Doesn't mean that we have to stop trying to make the green things work. Why is everyone against research...?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're technologies are killing birds and plant life, create next to zero energy, and cost an ungodly amount of money. It's no contest. You lost the moment you decided to eschew reality in favor of absurd liberal idealism.

Green technologies are heading in the right direction environment-wise, price-wise and in sustainability. Fossil fuels are simply running out. What then?

They aren't "running out". At all. And so far, "green" technology isn't heading in any direction. It's been in the same stalled/failed state since the 1970's. Only now it's killing plants and birds.

Fossil fuels kill more people every year than wars, murders, and traffic accidents combined

Fossil fuels make our high density, high tech lifestyle possible.

Can't run our technology on more expensive, less reliable, "green energy".

Doesn't mean that we have to stop trying to make the green things work. Why is everyone against research...?

Research is great. Shoveling tax dollars to "green energy" cronies is a bad idea.

 

[Mindful]

Green energy works when it's owned by the individual. If you can live off the solar panels on your roof then it works.

Except that you can't. It goes into the grid, and you get a discount on your electricity bills.

At least that's how it works in Germany.

 

[The Great Goose]

Green energy works when it's owned by the individual. If you can live off the solar panels on your roof then it works.

Except that you can't. It goes into the grid, and you get a discount on your electricity bills.

At least that's how it works in Germany.

What about on a caravan or a boat? Or a house thats not connected to the grid?

 

[Mindful]

Green energy works when it's owned by the individual. If you can live off the solar panels on your roof then it works.

Except that you can't. It goes into the grid, and you get a discount on your electricity bills.

At least that's how it works in Germany.

What about on a caravan or a boat? Or a house thats not connected to the grid?

Don't know.

 

[Mindful]

I looked it up. There's plenty of info on Google.

 

[P@triot]

Yet another example of failed "green" energy...

Increases in costs at Buffalo’s RiverBend site reach $50 million - The Buffalo News

 

[Moonglow]

Good thing the Sun does not listen to the Patriot..

 

[P@triot]

Good thing the Sun does not listen to the Patriot..

Unfortunately, liberal politicians do not listen to science, facts, data, and reason...

 

[Old Rocks]

Yet another example of failed "green" energy...

Increases in costs at Buffalo’s RiverBend site reach $50 million - The Buffalo News

What a lying dumb **** you are. The increase in costs are because the prior owners of the land left it contaminated, and when the original estimates were made, this was not known. It is right there in the article.

Increases in costs at Buffalo’s RiverBend site reach $50 million - The Buffalo News

That being the case, and since you were the one posting the article originally, one can only assume that your are intentionally lying, or did not even read the article that you posted, which make you terminally stupid.

 

[P@triot]

Yet another example of failed "green" energy...

Increases in costs at Buffalo’s RiverBend site reach $50 million - The Buffalo News

What a lying dumb **** you are. The increase in costs are because the prior owners of the land left it contaminated, and when the original estimates were made, this was not known. It is right there in the article.

Increases in costs at Buffalo’s RiverBend site reach $50 million - The Buffalo News

That being the case, and since you were the one posting the article originally, one can only assume that your are intentionally lying, or did not even read the article that you posted, which make you terminally stupid.

So how did I "lie"?!? It's yet another "green" technology company with massive overruns and an unsustainable business model (can you say "Solyndra" junior?). The fact that they didn't even do their due diligence on the land and contamination just shows they are typical libtards. Incapable of running a business.

 

[Old Rocks]

What an ass you are. The contamination of the land was done by a prior business. And the state stated that the land was clean. Going to be some culpability on the part of the state, and the prior owner, if they are not bankrupt.

Given that there are many utilities in many states actively working to put companies like Solar City out of business. However, that will, in the end, result in those utilities going out of business themselves. We are going to see a distributed grid in the near future, and will see federal laws stating that all generation from whatever source has to have access to the grid at prevailing rates.

That fools like you don't like any kind of change is clearly evident. You are the kind that refuse vaccines, and think if it doesn't go V-ROOM--V-ROOM, it can't be mobile. Well, stand back, Charley, much of the future is already here, and it doesn't give a damn about losers like you.

 

[P@triot]

What an ass you are. The contamination of the land was done by a prior business. And the state stated that the land was clean. Going to be some culpability on the part of the state, and the prior owner, if they are not bankrupt.

Given that there are many utilities in many states actively working to put companies like Solar City out of business. However, that will, in the end, result in those utilities going out of business themselves. We are going to see a distributed grid in the near future, and will see federal laws stating that all generation from whatever source has to have access to the grid at prevailing rates.

That fools like you don't like any kind of change is clearly evident. You are the kind that refuse vaccines, and think if it doesn't go V-ROOM--V-ROOM, it can't be mobile. Well, stand back, Charley, much of the future is already here, and it doesn't give a damn about losers like you.

Wow....someone is angry. The wrong and the uninformed usually are. For starters - I'm fine with change. What I don't like is failure. And that's what idiot liberalism gives us: failure. Force us to spend tens of millions of dollars on a technology that gives us the energy equivalent of a AAA battery. That's stupid on a level that could only come from liberalism. Stand back junior. Let the adults handle reality. You just play with your toys in the corner and will make sure your fed and your little chin is wiped.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Why sure you are just fine with failure. After all, you predicted a Romney Landslide. LOL

Wind is now the most economical way to produce electricity. And, as soon as the grid scale batteries go into full production, will become an even bigger component of the grid. As of the end of 2015, there is 74,332 mw of installed wind in the US.

WINDExchange: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity

Solar capacity is now at 13,406 mw, not counting rooftop solar. Solar generation put on the grid was 12,141 million kwh.

Care to add any more comments proving how stupid that you can be?