Zone1 the universe has a beginning

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making yours just a belief

A belief based upon the physical evidence of the CMB and confirmed by general relativity, quantum mechanics, red shift and the laws of conservation.

What are your beliefs based upon?

 

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Because I don't. All of it.

Quantrill

Can you tell me why you disagree with it? Can you tell me if you believe the universe had a beginning and can you tell me why you believe as you do?

 

[Quantrill]

A belief based upon the physical evidence of the CMB and confirmed by general relativity, quantum mechanics, red shift and the laws of conservation.

What are your beliefs based upon?

The Bible.

Quantrill

 

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The Bible.

Quantrill

And what do you believe the Bible tells you about the creation of the universe?

 

[Quantrill]

And what do you believe the Bible tells you about the creation of the universe?

Gen. 1:1 " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Quantrill

 

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Gen. 1:1 " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Quantrill

Perfectly consistent with the Big Bang theory.

In fact, they knew 6,000 years before science that the universe had a beginning. 100 years ago science believed the universe had always existed. Atheists to this day are disturbed by the science saying the universe began because they understood that’s the claim in Genesis 1:1.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Perfectly consistent with the Big Bang theory.

In fact, they knew 6,000 years before science that the universe had a beginning. 100 years ago science believed the universe had always existed. Atheists to this day are disturbed by the science saying the universe began because they understood that’s the claim in Genesis 1:1.

ding what does it mean that the photons were trapped?

 

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ding what does it mean that the photons were trapped?

Are you talking about during the Radiation Era? Or something else?

• Radiation Era
  • 
    (The radiation era lasted for about 50,000 years)
  • Planck Epoch
    • First 10-43 seconds after the Big Bang
    • No current theory of physics (quantum gravity) exists
  • GUT (Grand Unified Theory) Epoch
    • After 10-43 seconds, temperature fell to 1032 K
  • Quark Epoch
    • Creation of protons and neutrons continued for about 10-4 seconds
    • Temperature drops below 1013 K, and protons and neutrons are no longer produced in pairs
  • Lepton Epoch
    • Ends when the universe is about 100 seconds old
    • During this epoch, the leptons (electrons, neutrinos, and other light particles) are still produced in pairs, because they are light
    • Ends when temperature drops below 1 billion K
  • Nuclear Epoch (first few minutes)
    • Protons and neutrons fuse into nuclei
    • By the time the universe is about 15 minutes old, much of the helium had been formed
  
  Crossover from radiation to matter dominance begins at 50,000 years at a temperature of 16,000 K
  
  
• Matter Era
  • Atomic Epoch
    • Begins about 50,000 years after the Big Bang
    • Atoms form and remain intact (electrons attached to nuclei)
      • Electromagnetic radiation decouples
      • Cosmic Microwave Background appears
    • Ends 200,000,000 years after Big Bang
  • Galactic Epoch
    • Large scale structure and bulk of most galaxies form
    • Lasts from 200,000,000 years to 3,000,000,000 after Big Bang
  • Stellar Epoch
    • Stars continue to form up to today
    • Extends into the Dark Energy Era

• Radiation Era
  • (The radiation era lasted for about 50,000 years)
  • Planck Epoch
    • First 10-43 seconds after the Big Bang
    • No current theory of physics (quantum gravity) exists
  • GUT (Grand Unified Theory) Epoch
    • After 10-43 seconds, temperature fell to 1032 K
  • Quark Epoch
    • Creation of protons and neutrons continued for about 10-4 seconds
    • Temperature drops below 1013 K, and protons and neutrons are no longer produced in pairs
  • Lepton Epoch
    • Ends when the universe is about 100 seconds old
    • During this epoch, the leptons (electrons, neutrinos, and other light particles) are still produced in pairs, because they are light
    • Ends when temperature drops below 1 billion K
  • Nuclear Epoch (first few minutes)
    • Protons and neutrons fuse into nuclei
    • By the time the universe is about 15 minutes old, much of the helium had been formed
    Crossover from radiation to matter dominance begins at 50,000 years at a temperature of 16,000 K
  
  
  
• Matter Era
  • Atomic Epoch
    • Begins about 50,000 years after the Big Bang
    • Atoms form and remain intact (electrons attached to nuclei)
      • Electromagnetic radiation decouples
      • Cosmic Microwave Background appears
    • Ends 200,000,000 years after Big Bang
  • Galactic Epoch
    • Large scale structure and bulk of most galaxies form
    • Lasts from 200,000,000 years to 3,000,000,000 after Big Bang
  • Stellar Epoch
    • Stars continue to form up to today
    • Extends into the Dark Energy Era

 

[trevorjohnson83]

ding I mean before the big bang not after.

 

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ding I mean before the big bang not after.

There were none.

• In the early universe, matter and anti-matter were being created equally out of the radiation
  • pair production
    • pair production is the production of matter and anti-matter in pairs
    • two photons can produce a pair
    • particle-antiparticle annihilation (the reverse process) is also possible

 

[trevorjohnson83]

There were none.

no they say the photons were trapped. How could that be?

 

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no they say the photons were trapped. How could that be?

I misread that as protons. My bad.

Can you quote the part or tell me where it’s at?

 

[Quantrill]

Perfectly consistent with the Big Bang theory.

In fact, they knew 6,000 years before science that the universe had a beginning. 100 years ago science believed the universe had always existed. Atheists to this day are disturbed by the science saying the universe began because they understood that’s the claim in Genesis 1:1.

The 'big bang theory' says God created the heaven and the earth?

Quantrill

 

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The 'big bang theory' says God created the heaven and the earth?

Quantrill

It says the universe was created just like Genesis 1:1 says the universe was created.

 

[Quantrill]

It says the universe was created just like Genesis 1:1 says the universe was created.

Really? Show me where it says that.

Quantrill

 

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Really? Show me where it says that.

Quantrill

It’s written on the inside of your tinfoil hat.

 

[Quantrill]

It’s written on the inside of your tinfoil hat.

Does that mean you can't show me where the 'big bang' says God created the heaven and the earth?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

It’s written on the inside of your tinfoil hat.

The big bang says nothing about God or even a creator. It simply hypothosizes about origin. Which itself makes no sense as something had to go bang.

Quantrill

 

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Does that mean you can't show me where the 'big bang' says God created the heaven and the earth?

Quantrill

It means I know what you are.

 

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The big bang says nothing about God or even a creator. It simply hypothosizes about origin. Which itself makes no sense as something had to go bang.

Quantrill

You don’t know any science.