The truth on the Renee Good shooting lies in the middle

[JoeB131]

Even the "good cops" would find you such a mucking moron and so repulsive they would observe all traffic laws and obey all traffic control devices to get to you

Actually, I have cops in my extended family, as well as friends who are cops.
They have nothing but contempt for ICE.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

That's fantasy.

This is reality:

Oof, that first one is bad. The 2nd one is absolutely justified. I think in the case of the first one, it depends on what the officer is responding to. If it's something that gives the officer a form of reason to believe that the guy is threat to other people, then yeah, that's justified. From reading on this case, though, that does not seem to be the case. It sounds like the officer was absolved of wrong doing because he 'believed he was in immediate danger of death'.

It's shoots like that first one which is the reason why in 2022, when the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

See 1-16.200

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

 

[kyzr]

I wouldn't have walked in front of the car to start with ..
I certainly wouldn't have pumped three bullets into an innocent woman

When she floored it at the ICE agent she became an attempted murderer, his shooting her was "self-defense".

 

[Darlo kittu]

Actually, I have cops in my extended family, as well as friends who are cops.
They have nothing but contempt for ICE.

Well no accounting for taste

People like you give Verma bad name

 

[OODA_Loop]

The nature of guns and knives are quite different than that of a car. A car driving away from someone does not represent an imminent threat.

You can try to drive away from law enforcement and hit them. And kill them.

 

[Lockback]

Actually, I have cops in my extended family, as well as friends who are cops.
They have nothing but contempt for ICE.

Cool story, bro.
I have nothing but contempt for people who have contempt for ICE.

 

[DonGlock26]

Oof, that first one is bad. The 2nd one is absolutely justified. I think in the case of the first one, it depends on what the officer is responding to. If it's something that gives the officer a form of reason to believe that the guy is threat to other people, then yeah, that's justified. From reading on this case, though, that does not seem to be the case. It sounds like the officer was absolved of wrong doing because he 'believed he was in immediate danger of death'.

It's shoots like that first one which is the reason why in 2022, when the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

From the first video:

On Aug. 7, 2019, Lake County State’s Attorney Michael G. Nerheim ruled that the officer acted “reasonably and appropriately” in the fatal shooting of Asuncion J. Gomez-Guerrero, according to a statement by the state’s attorney’s office.

 

[Leo123]

From what I have seen, this will probably finish the ICE agents career but as far as murder, he will be found innocent, if they even try to press charges, but I doubt this.

The ICE agent should be given a reward for stopping an insurgent.

 

[Marener]

You can try to drive away from law enforcement and hit them. And kill them.

Pretty hard to be hit by a car driving away from you, or even driving parallel to you. Cars do not have unlimited degrees of freedom.

Rational people know this.

 

[skews13]

It is a very GOOD thing that Renee is dead.

Renee and many other left wing lesbians are hate criminal traitors and deserve DEATH. One down, many more to go...

I admitted that the video evidence was not clear that she tried to drive over the agent. Maybe, maybe not. I also admitted that the agent seemed trigger happy.

He was. An angry loser, taking his angry loser life out on an unarmed woman trying to get away from him.

I'm sure this angry loser has a history of women trying to get away from him.

 

[Lockback]

Pretty hard to be hit by a car driving away from you, or even driving parallel to you. Cars do not have unlimited degrees of freedom.

Rational people know this.

What brand soap did they use to brainwash you?
Asking for a friend.

 

[Leo123]

The nature of guns and knives are quite different than that of a car. A car driving away from someone does not represent an imminent threat.

The car shouldn't have been driving away because the driver was given the order to get out of her car because she was actively blocking ICE from doing their job.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Pretty hard to be hit by a car driving away from you, or even driving parallel to you. Cars do not have unlimited degrees of freedom.

Rational people know this.

Using your astute observations and analytical skills....... If she was fleeing how did she hit him ?

 

[Lockback]

He was. An angry loser, taking his angry loser life out on an unarmed woman trying to get away from him.

I'm sure this angry loser has a history of women trying to get away from him.

I think the angry loser is you, making up shit out of nowhere, criticizing somebody you don't know and no absolutely nothing about.
For instance, did you know he was dragged 100 yards back in June but another psycho leftist asshole who closed the window on the guy's arm and then punched the accelerator, dragging him?
I'll bet you didn't. Because you're more interested in pushing a leftist narrative than the truth.

 

[Marener]

Using your astute observations and analytical skills....... If she was fleeing how did she hit him ?

She did hit him. She grazed him. It was decidedly nonfatal and his life was never in any actual jeopardy.

I was merely responding to your hypothetical.

 

[JoeB131]

Cool story, bro.
I have nothing but contempt for people who have contempt for ICE.

Well that was 60% of the country before they killed an unarmed woman in cold blood.

Sure to go up this week.

 

[Marener]

The car shouldn't have been driving away because the driver was given the order to get out of her car because she was actively blocking ICE from doing their job.

What was exactly was ICE prevented from doing?

 

[Lockback]

She did hit him. She grazed him. It was decidedly nonfatal and his life was never in any actual jeopardy.

I was merely responding to your hypothetical.

How do you know his life was never in actual jeopardy?
Can you make that split-second decision?
You probably can't make up your mind when to go the bathroom, for crissakes.

 

[JoeB131]

I think the angry loser is you, making up shit out of nowhere, criticizing somebody you don't know and no absolutely nothing about.
For instance, did you know he was dragged 100 yards back in June but another psycho leftist asshole who closed the window on the guy's arm and then punched the accelerator, dragging him?
I'll bet you didn't. Because you're more interested in pushing a leftist narrative than the truth.

So he has a long history of not showing proper safety around subjects in vehicles?

 

[Lockback]

So he has a long history of not showing proper safety around subjects in vehicles?

Perhaps he's too trusting.
He should know by now you never trust a COMMUNIST.