The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[gipper]

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Is that a justification for mass murdering thousands of defenseless women and children?

Ask the people of Nanjing.

Oh, that's right. You can't.

Please explain how that is different from US bombings of Japanese civilians.

Well, for starters, China never declared war on Japan.

Oh, so declaring war means it’s open season on defenseless civilians.?

Damn.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes our government was no better than theirs, when it came to mass murder of civilians. Empires always do the same things.

Again, go sleep it off...

 

[fncceo]

L

Is that a justification for mass murdering thousands of defenseless women and children?

Ask the people of Nanjing.

Oh, that's right. You can't.

Please explain how that is different from US bombings of Japanese civilians.

Well, for starters, China never declared war on Japan.

Oh, so declaring war means it’s open season on defenseless civilians.?

Damn.

Declaring war make you the belligerent, having war declared on you makes you a defender.

For another thing, Japan didn't just bomb they residents of Nanjing. They sent thousands of soldiers into the city. The slaughtered men, women, and children by hand. They committed so many rapes that the gene pool of Eastern China was invariably changed. Chinese officials put the death toll as high as 300,000 after the city was already taken.

Japanese papers of the time reported officers competing with each other to be the first to execute 100 persons with a sword. Japanese soldiers took photos of bodies desecrated by their own soldiers.

Until today, the Japanese government denies the massacre of Nanjing. Instead they claim that only Chinese militants were killed.

 

[gipper]

Yes our government was no better than theirs, when it came to mass murder of civilians. Empires always do the same things.

Again, go sleep it off...

If only sleep could alleviate you of your utterly prodigious ignorance.

 

[gipper]

L

Is that a justification for mass murdering thousands of defenseless women and children?

Ask the people of Nanjing.

Oh, that's right. You can't.

Please explain how that is different from US bombings of Japanese civilians.

Well, for starters, China never declared war on Japan.

Oh, so declaring war means it’s open season on defenseless civilians.?

Damn.

Declaring war make you the belligerent, having war declared on you makes you a defender.

For another thing, Japan didn't just bomb they residents of Nanjing. They sent thousands of soldiers into the city. The slaughtered men, women, and children by hand. They committed so many rapes that the gene pool of Eastern China was invariably changed. Chinese officials put the death toll as high as 300,000 after the city was already taken.

Japanese papers of the time reported officers competing with each other to be the first to execute 100 persons with a sword. Japanese soldiers took photos of bodies desecrated by their own soldiers.

Until today, the Japanese government denies the massacre of Nanjing. Instead they claim that only Chinese militants were killed.

Again, try to explain how this is different from mass murdering tens of thousands of defenseless civilians, by aerial bombardment?

 

[Moonglow]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

The worst American value was using a weapon of mass destruction on a defenseless nation, ready to surrender.

Almost as low as a country that pulls a surprise attack without a state of war.

This is the opinion of the typical ignorant American. Mass murder hundreds of thousands of defenseless women and children who had no input in the affairs of their government, because their tyrannical government attacked a US MILITARY BASE, killing a fraction of those civilians murdered by US bombing.

Why what with the caps it looks like you are serious..You can always travel time and change the Earth before the war.

 

[Unkotare]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

It's estimated that the invasion, optimistically, would have cost the lives of a millions American soldiers. .....

Millions, huh? Just how stupid are you?

Clearly I said a million. The "s" was obviously an unnoticed mistake.

The lives of a million American soldiers. "a" is singular.

...

An absurd figure at that.

 

[gipper]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

The worst American value was using a weapon of mass destruction on a defenseless nation, ready to surrender.

Almost as low as a country that pulls a surprise attack without a state of war.

This is the opinion of the typical ignorant American. Mass murder hundreds of thousands of defenseless women and children who had no input in the affairs of their government, because their tyrannical government attacked a US MILITARY BASE, killing a fraction of those civilians murdered by US bombing.

Why what with the caps it looks like you are serious..You can always travel time and change the Earth before the war.

Yeah cause Truman didn’t know those two bombs would murder so many defenseless women and children. I mean really the fog of war prevented him from seeing this. War is Hell after all.

 

[Moonglow]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

The worst American value was using a weapon of mass destruction on a defenseless nation, ready to surrender.

Almost as low as a country that pulls a surprise attack without a state of war.

This is the opinion of the typical ignorant American. Mass murder hundreds of thousands of defenseless women and children who had no input in the affairs of their government, because their tyrannical government attacked a US MILITARY BASE, killing a fraction of those civilians murdered by US bombing.

Why what with the caps it looks like you are serious..You can always travel time and change the Earth before the war.

Yeah cause Truman didn’t know those two bombs would murder so many defenseless women and children. I mean really the fog of war prevented him from seeing this. War is Hell after all.

Can't have total war without killing a few civilians..

 

[K9Buck]

Well. cities such as Hiroshima and Nagasaki did have military value and they also produced many soldiers and equipment to be used in the war. I don't believe it was immoral to bomb them.

Japan was on its knees mostly because the U.S. had a naval blockade that prevented the Japanese from importing food, oil, etc. The Soviets had nothing to do with that blockade just like the Soviets had nothing to do with defeating the imperial navy and successfully taking islands that brought U.S. bombers to Japan's doorstep. Japanese leadership had no illusions that, somehow, they would be able to hold onto their Asian conquests. So, no, the Soviet entry into the war isn't what compelled Japan to surrender. Additionally, the Soviet conquest of Manchuria and Korea was immaterial to saving Japan from total catastrophe.

Thank GOD the Japanese emperor had enough sense, power and, perhaps, enough will to try and survive. Otherwise, it would have been necessary to burn every inch of Japan to the ground. No doubt, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Japanese would have starved to death and died of disease, in addition to the millions that would have died fighting the U.S.

Hey gipper Why is my post funny? What did I get wrong?

 

[sparky]

...more revisionist history by people who never lived it, or probably did not even know anyone who did...

IIRC, they declassify certian docs after 1/2 century......

I'm fairly sure there's an OSS (CIA @ the time) doc out there on this

~S~

 

[K9Buck]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

The worst American value was using a weapon of mass destruction on a defenseless nation, ready to surrender.

Almost as low as a country that pulls a surprise attack without a state of war.

This is the opinion of the typical ignorant American. Mass murder hundreds of thousands of defenseless women and children who had no input in the affairs of their government, because their tyrannical government attacked a US MILITARY BASE, killing a fraction of those civilians murdered by US bombing.

You are naive if you don't believe that a majority of civilians living and working in Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't working on the Japanese war effort. And while we're at it, the Japanese were guilty of mass murder on an industrial scale, not to mention all sorts of horrific war crimes, such as intentionally infecting American prisoners with deadly diseases.

What the U.S. and MacArthur did in Japan after the second world war is nothing short of a miracle. They wrote a new constitution for the country, gave women the right to vote, and helped turn them into a Democratic, economic juggernaut who hasn't been at war with anybody since. You should be praising what the U.S. did.

 

[K9Buck]

By 1945, they were a defenseless nation. Please keep up.

That's not true at all. The Japanese were still armed to the teeth. An invasion would have resulted in MILLIONS dying from battle, starvation and disease.

 

[gipper]

Well. cities such as Hiroshima and Nagasaki did have military value and they also produced many soldiers and equipment to be used in the war. I don't believe it was immoral to bomb them.

Japan was on its knees mostly because the U.S. had a naval blockade that prevented the Japanese from importing food, oil, etc. The Soviets had nothing to do with that blockade just like the Soviets had nothing to do with defeating the imperial navy and successfully taking islands that brought U.S. bombers to Japan's doorstep. Japanese leadership had no illusions that, somehow, they would be able to hold onto their Asian conquests. So, no, the Soviet entry into the war isn't what compelled Japan to surrender. Additionally, the Soviet conquest of Manchuria and Korea was immaterial to saving Japan from total catastrophe.

Thank GOD the Japanese emperor had enough sense, power and, perhaps, enough will to try and survive. Otherwise, it would have been necessary to burn every inch of Japan to the ground. No doubt, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Japanese would have starved to death and died of disease, in addition to the millions that would have died fighting the U.S.

Hey gipper Why is my post funny? What did I get wrong?

Because Japan was more than willing to surrender many months before Truman committed his war crime. All they asked was that the Emperor not be hung. Truman’s response was **** you and die. Then, after he mass murdered thousands of defenseless women and children, he said the Emperor is safe.

There was no need to occupy Japan.

 

[gipper]

By 1945, they were a defenseless nation. Please keep up.

That's not true at all. The Japanese were still armed to the teeth. An invasion would have resulted in MILLIONS dying from battle, starvation and disease.

If you know nothing, why post?

 

[K9Buck]

Japan would have surrendered in 1944, thus saving the lives of thousands of Americans and Japanese, but for FDR’s foolish unconditional surrender terms.
We didn’t need to occupy Japan, but that is what they did.

I doubt they would have surrendered. Hell, some of Japan's top military leadership didn't want to surrender even after two atom bombs were dropped. Had we worked out a deal with Japan, they would have remained a feudal state with their emperor "God" and the military still in place running the country. We needed unconditional surrender in order to change the power structure and the culture of Japan so that we weren't in another major war with them 20 years down the line.

 

[gipper]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

The worst American value was using a weapon of mass destruction on a defenseless nation, ready to surrender.

Almost as low as a country that pulls a surprise attack without a state of war.

This is the opinion of the typical ignorant American. Mass murder hundreds of thousands of defenseless women and children who had no input in the affairs of their government, because their tyrannical government attacked a US MILITARY BASE, killing a fraction of those civilians murdered by US bombing.

You are naive if you don't believe that a majority of civilians living and working in Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't working on the Japanese war effort. And while we're at it, the Japanese were guilty of mass murder on an industrial scale, not to mention all sorts of horrific war crimes, such as intentionally infecting American prisoners with deadly diseases.

What the U.S. and MacArthur did in Japan after the second world war is nothing short of a miracle. They wrote a new constitution for the country, gave women the right to vote, and helped turn them into a Democratic, economic juggernaut who hasn't been at war with anybody since. You should be praising what the U.S. did.

So the millions of Americans working for the war effort are no different than front line soldiers, and it is justified to mass murder them.

Think man. Do not emote. Try to overcome your statist indoctrination.

 

[gipper]

Japan would have surrendered in 1944, thus saving the lives of thousands of Americans and Japanese, but for FDR’s foolish unconditional surrender terms.
We didn’t need to occupy Japan, but that is what they did.

I doubt they would have surrendered. Hell, some of Japan's top military leadership didn't want to surrender even after two atom bombs were dropped. Had we worked out a deal with Japan, they would have remained a feudal state with their emperor "God" and the military still in place running the country. We needed unconditional surrender in order to change the power structure and the culture of Japan so that we weren't in another major war with them 20 years down the line.

You clearly are not informed. The Japanese tried several times to surrender. FDR then Truman ignored their requests. The Japanese never thought the US would hold to their tyrannical unconditional surrender requirement, which at the time, was wholly unprecedented.

 

[K9Buck]

Because Japan was more than willing to surrender many months before Truman committed his war crime. All they asked was that the Emperor not be hung. Truman’s response was **** you and die. Then, after he mass murdered thousands of defenseless women and children, he said the Emperor is safe. There was no need to occupy Japan.

It's arguable that the defeat of Japan by the U.S., and America's transformation of Japan into what it is today, might be America's greatest accomplishment of the 20th century.

Upon beginning the occupation of Japan, MacArthur was justifiably quite nervous at the prospect of a guerrilla insurgency taking place in Japan, which he estimated would have required 1 million men to battle. MacArthur took drastic measures to win over the people of Japan. Douglas MacArthur was, quite possibly, the greatest thing to ever happen to Japan.

 

[K9Buck]

You clearly are not informed.

Coincidentally, I just finished reading this book. I suggest you read it and reconsider your positions.