The Truth about Mormons

[Truthspeaker]

Is this quotation incorrect? It's from a Christian apologetics web site, but it is not expressing hate nor persecution of Mormons.

Is the quoted statement below incorrect in it's summation of Mormon doctrine versus biblical doctrine?

Sincerely, Eightballsidepocket

Truth About Mormonism, Mormons, Mormon

The Truth About Mormonism:

"Is Mormonism Christian?" is a very important question. The answer is equally important and simple. No. Mormonism is not Christian.
If you are a Mormon, please realize that I am not trying to attack you, your character, or the sincerity of your belief. If you are a non-Mormon looking into Mormonism, or if you are a Christian who is simply researching Mormonism, then this paper should be of help to you.
The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it, like any other cultDefinition of a cult: A system of specific religious beliefs or practices., denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically), Mormonism distorts two of them: the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.
Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creationNo mere creation, but the Son of God. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15)No it is actually in harmony. Created does not mean out of nothing but rather organized into the person he became. Jesus is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament, therefore the Father of Heaven and Earth. Just because he has a Father named Elohim, makes him no less God., and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1;16-17). Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is god in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5). See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity isThe trinity makes no sense. If it is a mystery we are not supposed to understand that is contrary to the nature of God who says "Seek and ye shall find, Ask and it shall be given you.".
Because Mormonism errors in who Jesus is, salvation (the forgiveness of sins) does not occur and the Mormon is still in his sins.Believe as you may, but this doctrine is false. Christians are saved from their sins and judgment by putting their trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. But, faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed. The Mormon Jesus is not the one of the Biblevery false, even though they call him Jesus, say he died for sins, and was born in Bethlehem. The Mormon Jesus does not exist. It is the nature of Jesus that is the issue. Jesus must be God in flesh, (second person of the Trinity) not "a" god in flesh who is the brother of the devilSo what, haven't we all had bad brothers or sisters. I repeat, so what?. He must be uncreated, not created. He must be the creator (Col. 1:16-17). This is who the true Jesus really is: God, creator, uncreated, not the brother of the devil.
Mormon theology teaches that god used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was SatanFalse doctrine to say Satan was second. We only know he was one of the great ones who changed from righteous to greedy, to evil and was therefore cast out., and then we all followed. The Jesus of Mormonism is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus, is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.
Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with GodVery true and it makes total sense to me.; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil" (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience" (Articles, p. 81). This contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) Taken out of context.and the doctrine that works are not This is a doctrine of devils. Because the devil is the only one who would discourage people to do good works or make excuses not to do good and that all you have to do is confess with your lips. I repeat, a doctrine of Hell itself.part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).
To further confuseYou mean clarify? the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold. It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teach it. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.
Mormonism, to justify its aberrant theology, has undermined the authority and trustworthiness of the Bible. The 8th article of faith from the Mormon Church states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly." Should we just ignore that the Nicean Creed happened or accept your dogma? The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith allegedly corrected the Bible in what is called The Inspired Version, though it is not used by the LDS churchWe do quote from it, but we don't have the rights to the copies because the RLDS Church owns the copyright.. Though they claim they trust the Bible, in reality they do notIn reality we know how to interpret it.. They use Mormon presuppositions to interpret it. For example, where the Bible says there are no other gods in the universe (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), they interpret it to mean "no other gods of this world." They do not trust what it says and they often state that the Bible is not translated correctly. This is what I have encountered numerous times when speaking to Mormons.To follow a product of the Nicean Creed and generations of Corrupts priests blindly without proper interpretation would be ludicrous.
Why is Mormonism a non Christian cult? Because it adds works to salvation. It denies that Jesus is the uncreated creatorNo it doesn't. It alters the biblical teaching of the atonement. It contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheismYou mean the dogma of monotheism. It undermines the authority and reliability of the BibleNot when translated correctly.
I do not deny that Mormons are good peopleHow nice of you, that they worship "a" god, that they share common words with Christians, that they help their people, and that they do many good things. However, Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23, " Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" Truer words were never spoken. We will see who knows Jesus and who doesn't.(NKJV). Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a churchVery true, doing good thingsVery false, or simply believing in GodFalse. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus -- not the brother of the devil. Same guy.
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CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS AND RESEARCH MINISTRY

This article is incorrect because it seeks to redefine Christianity. The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Christian as "one who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus; one who lives according to the teachings of Jesus."
You can't call someone a non-Christian because of differences in Christian teachings. Who gives that guy the right to say we are not Christian when we believe in salvation through Christ and no other head?

So my answer is this article is yet again wrong about us.

 

[Avatar4321]

Is this quotation incorrect? It's from a Christian apologetics web site, but it is not expressing hate nor persecution of Mormons.

You know, when you have to preface your comments as "Not hate", its because you already know that is most certainly is.

And yes the quotation is incorrect

Is the quoted statement below incorrect in it's summation of Mormon doctrine versus biblical doctrine?

Of course it is. Because there is no dichotemy between biblical doctrine and Mormon doctrine. They are one and the same.

Which of course once again raises the issue, if you are correct, why do you have to misrepresent Mormon doctrine? Why do you have to misrepresent Biblical doctrine? If the truth is on your side, shouldnt the truth in and of itself prove you correct?

 

[Eightball]

Is this quotation incorrect? It's from a Christian apologetics web site, but it is not expressing hate nor persecution of Mormons.

You know, when you have to preface your comments as "Not hate", its because you already know that is most certainly is.

And yes the quotation is incorrect

Is the quoted statement below incorrect in it's summation of Mormon doctrine versus biblical doctrine?

Of course it is. Because there is no dichotemy between biblical doctrine and Mormon doctrine. They are one and the same.

Which of course once again raises the issue, if you are correct, why do you have to misrepresent Mormon doctrine? Why do you have to misrepresent Biblical doctrine? If the truth is on your side, shouldnt the truth in and of itself prove you correct?

"But even if we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)

Joseph Smith received a new and very different gospel from an angel (Moroni).

In lieu of Galatians 1:8 something is awry, and it isn't the N.T. nor Paul's testimony to both the Jews and gentiles which include us.

Galatians 1:8 says that the Gospel as Paul and the apostles received it from Christ 2,000 years ago, is the done deal. There is no alterations, nor any angels that are assigned to bring a new and improved or changed gospel(good news).

 

[Truthspeaker]

Is this quotation incorrect? It's from a Christian apologetics web site, but it is not expressing hate nor persecution of Mormons.

You know, when you have to preface your comments as "Not hate", its because you already know that is most certainly is.

And yes the quotation is incorrect

Is the quoted statement below incorrect in it's summation of Mormon doctrine versus biblical doctrine?

Of course it is. Because there is no dichotemy between biblical doctrine and Mormon doctrine. They are one and the same.

Which of course once again raises the issue, if you are correct, why do you have to misrepresent Mormon doctrine? Why do you have to misrepresent Biblical doctrine? If the truth is on your side, shouldnt the truth in and of itself prove you correct?

"But even if we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)

Joseph Smith received a new and very different gospel from an angel (Moroni).

In lieu of Galatians 1:8 something is awry, and it isn't the N.T. nor Paul's testimony to both the Jews and gentiles which include us.

Galatians 1:8 says that the Gospel as Paul and the apostles received it from Christ 2,000 years ago, is the done deal. There is no alterations, nor any angels that are assigned to bring a new and improved or changed gospel(good news).

but you see, we don't think it is a different gospel. We believe it is the RESTORED gospel that they were talking about. You may disagree but that is not what the thread is about. It is about clarifying the truth about our beliefs, not whether your beliefs are better than mine.
You are entitled to your beliefs and me to mine. I just don't want people saying that I believe something I really don't, or don't believe something I really do.

 

[Skeptik]

Is this quotation incorrect? It's from a Christian apologetics web site, but it is not expressing hate nor persecution of Mormons.

You know, when you have to preface your comments as "Not hate", its because you already know that is most certainly is.

And yes the quotation is incorrect

Is the quoted statement below incorrect in it's summation of Mormon doctrine versus biblical doctrine?

Of course it is. Because there is no dichotemy between biblical doctrine and Mormon doctrine. They are one and the same.

Which of course once again raises the issue, if you are correct, why do you have to misrepresent Mormon doctrine? Why do you have to misrepresent Biblical doctrine? If the truth is on your side, shouldnt the truth in and of itself prove you correct?

"But even if we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)

Joseph Smith received a new and very different gospel from an angel (Moroni).

In lieu of Galatians 1:8 something is awry, and it isn't the N.T. nor Paul's testimony to both the Jews and gentiles which include us.

Galatians 1:8 says that the Gospel as Paul and the apostles received it from Christ 2,000 years ago, is the done deal. There is no alterations, nor any angels that are assigned to bring a new and improved or changed gospel(good news).

How can anyone possibly believe that all truth is in the Bible, that nothing new can be added, when the Bible has been written from stories told and retold, when those stories were told in languages now extinct, and translated and retranslated into modern languages, and when the Gnostics picked and chose what was to be in the Bible in a kind of committee to decide what was believable and what wasn't? The Bible is a book by fallible human beings, and is therefore not perfect. If there is any real Christian church on the Earth today, it has to have come directly from divine revelation. That much was lost over the centuries is indisputable.

If Christianity is correct, then the only complete Christian church is the Mormon church. No other one believes in modern revelation.

 

[Eightball]

You sir, must and don't believe the bible is accurate because you don't trust the accuracy of mankind to re-translate, over and over and recopy over and over.

There's nothing wrong with expecting man to be fallible over thousands of years, but you forget one component of the God of the bible. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent..........

Omnipotent: Means "all powerful", and totally in control of all of His creation, and that includes mankind. Though He has endowed man with free will, He has not allowed His Truth to become corrupted, though man is the agent whom He used to entrust with His Truth/Gospel.

As I've mentioned before in previous posts, the Dead Sea Scroll discovery "rocked" mankind, and theologians, and Skeptics of the innerancy of the bible.

Why?: Because within those Dead Sea Jars hidden from Roman pillage by Jews, have been found textural pieces of O.T. Scripture, and even a 99% intact scroll of Isaiah.

The 2,000 year old Isaiah scroll was compared with present day text that included the KJV, NKJV, ASB, NASB, NIV, translations of the O.T. and N.T., and was found to be "dead on" in accuracy.

Now how in the world could fallible man in 2,000 years seem to pass on Isaiah, via scribes hand copying, myriads of times over, and then we finally got to the Guttenberg invention called the "printing press", and the first KJV, and subsequent translations thereafter in more common or cultural day language of later times?

All matching the Black Sea Isaiah scroll in intent, and accuracy with on slight differences grammatically that didn't not change intent at all.

Omnipotence.........Sarge.........Omnipotence.

Something that the Mormon church must deny as God's great attribute.

The Mormon church doctrine is based on God's "OOPS!" in order for it to have legitimacy. God must be weak and anemic, and unable to protect His truth/Gospel to mankind according to Mormonism, otherwise there would be no need for a Mormon church.
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Now I worship a very powerful Maker, who is in complete control, and has never allowed His will to be stolen by away, or lost by man's fallibility, nor has any part of human history gone or left His loving, merciful watch and control.

As Paul said, "He is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow.......That ends the debate right there!

That statement flies right in the face of anyone accepting Joseph Smith's testimony that the church in his time was off-beam and needed his testimony from an "angel" to get the church back to what it was suppose to be.

It's a "No brainer"..........Galatians 1:8 authored by Paul under the inspiration of God.........Yep, that God that the bible says is Omnipotent.........All powerful..........All encompassing.........said....
[quote]"But even if we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)
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Somehow you don't see the parallel between what Paul said in Galatians and Joseph Smith's encounter with Moroni the angel.

Paul says, don't listen to anyone who comes telling you that they were visited by an angel or a person or supposed prophet, who says, "Thus sayeth the Lord".

Paul commended the people of Berea, for not trusting Paul's own words to them, until they had gone to scripture and verified that Paul had said nothing,,,,,,,,,,,yes nothing that goes against scripture.

Can you take Mormon doctrine as dictated from Moroni, to Joseph Smith, or any Ladder day presidents proclamations, and thence passed on to the Mormon followers and put it up against the KJV bible and say, "The KJV validates the BOM, the Articles of Faith, the Journal of Discourse.........etc.......? You can't.

What's your alternative?: The bible must be corrupted?

The bible for hundreds of years, and the scriptures before the cannonization have changed men, women's, and children's lives by the millions upon millions. It has given hope, and a clear message of a God who has made a great covenant with mankind through the total and complet blood, attonement of Jesus Christ, God's One and Only Son. The Son of God, who in the Book authored by John the disciple, who had one of the closest and most intimate relationships with Jesus, testifies that this Jesus was not merely a man, but was God incarnate, and the I AM/Jehovah, in whom all things came to be and were created.

Not a Jesus who was married, nor had brothers, or a brother, nor was a perpetual geneological progression repeated time and again on one planet after another, by another Saviour, or "Jesus" type.

This is not in the bible! But it is in Mormon belief/doctrine, and it is most strange too.

If you study the lives of the prophets before God "tapped" them for service, you will observe that they were men after God's heart throughout. These were men that served or venerated God before being "called" to serve.

Can you say that for Joseph Smith Jr.'s life before leading his followers from state to state Westward to Illinois, before dieing in a shootout with towns people?

Does the bible say that people or the race of dark skin are a cursed people from Caine's progeny? The BOM did until recently when it changed that skin color designation, and allowed dark skinned raced people equal access to Mormon priesthood.

Paul, nearly 2,000 years ago, said their is not difference between, Greek, gentile, Jew, etc..... All our the same in God's eyes. We are all in need of salvation from our sinful lives. Romans 3:23.

I've pounded and pounded the theme and truth of the bible over and over...........He is omnipotent. Mormons by believing that the bible is corrupt, deny an All Powerful Creator.

You know that the BOM has gone through a myriad of changes since it's inception.

You know that Joseph Smith gave his blessing to polygamy, or as your church tries to deflet that ugly word, and call it, "plural marriage", as though that will assuage both the lawmakers of our nation, and the clear bible definition of monogamy.

You can call me a hater, all you want, and deflect, deflect, the obvious.

I don't and never have hated a people of any faith, religion, club, fraternity, etc....

I do, however freely speak out when Christianity is bastardized from it's roots, by a person of very ill repute named Joseph Smith Jr..

The bible teaches that salvation and follow Christ is trully a very narrow road, and that there will be many false teachers claiming to have found the truth. Many will be swayed away, and in Revelations it is referred to, as the "wide" or easy road.

Actually, following Mormon Doctrine to the letter is very difficult, but it is all works, in order to "be". God makes us or gives us a new identity through faith in Christ and His propitiary death in our place.

Paul refers to this new identity, as become New Creatures, New Creations in Christ,............A royal priesthood.........Ambassadors......which is totally in line with His sermon on the mount, to go to all corners of the earth and preach the good news of the bible.

So biblical Christians start out with an identity, as belonging to God, and thence onward produce works in accordance with God's will. Not works to appease or please God, but works in accordance with our new Natures which is having the H.S. or Spirit of Christ with us.

Christianity is a relationship, not a religion..........It is a new life given as a free gift through God's Son.
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The reason I don't respond for a few days, is that making the bible very obvious and straight forward is not a problem, but dealing with refusal to accept it as God's final and complete Word to mankind by the LDS church members on this thread is very sad, and leaves me wanting and praying for additonal insight that might crack through this wall.

 

[Skeptik]

You sir, must and don't believe the bible is accurate because you don't trust the accuracy of mankind to re-translate, over and over and recopy over and over.

There's nothing wrong with expecting man to be fallible over thousands of years, but you forget one component of the God of the bible. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Exactly right. I've done some translating myself, from one modern language to another, and am well aware of the pitfalls that face even that relatively simple task. Translating from a dead language is orders of magnitude more difficult, and it is not possible to have a native speaker read your work for accuracy.

And no, I don't buy the idea than an omniscient and omnipotent god was looking over the shoulders of the translators while doing their work, making sure that everything was accurate.

Not only that, but the Bible stories were told and retold for years at a time when only an elite few could read and write at all before being written down. That alone makes most of it highly suspect.

And, in addition, the word "Bible" simply means "books", and the books that were included and not included were decided on by human beings, not by any almighty god.

Are you really a Biblical literalist? Do you believe, as so many seem to, that events like Noah's flood, the Garden of Eden, and Christ's miracles are accounts of actual events?

Or, are you open to the idea that some of what is written was meant to have been taken as allegorical tales?

 

[Avatar4321]

Is this quotation incorrect? It's from a Christian apologetics web site, but it is not expressing hate nor persecution of Mormons.

You know, when you have to preface your comments as "Not hate", its because you already know that is most certainly is.

And yes the quotation is incorrect

Is the quoted statement below incorrect in it's summation of Mormon doctrine versus biblical doctrine?

Of course it is. Because there is no dichotemy between biblical doctrine and Mormon doctrine. They are one and the same.

Which of course once again raises the issue, if you are correct, why do you have to misrepresent Mormon doctrine? Why do you have to misrepresent Biblical doctrine? If the truth is on your side, shouldnt the truth in and of itself prove you correct?

"But even if we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)

Joseph Smith received a new and very different gospel from an angel (Moroni).

In lieu of Galatians 1:8 something is awry, and it isn't the N.T. nor Paul's testimony to both the Jews and gentiles which include us.

Galatians 1:8 says that the Gospel as Paul and the apostles received it from Christ 2,000 years ago, is the done deal. There is no alterations, nor any angels that are assigned to bring a new and improved or changed gospel(good news).

So what your saying is that the Lord isnt going to send an angel to preach the Everlasting Gospel? Funny, the Bible says the exact opposite.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (Revelation 14:6-7)

Whether you believe that Moroni came or not, the scriptures are clear and your interpretation is wrong. The Lord showed John that he would send an Angel with the everlasting Gospel.

In addition, have you ever stopped to consider that you are the one preaching a different Gospel?

 

[Truthspeaker]

8-ball has met with a crisis. While launching a lengthy offensive on the LDS religion he has found his attacks baseless and futile. Without anyone attacking his beliefs he has exposed the holes in his dogma. He is not content to stick to the topic of the discussion which is broadcasting official Mormon Doctrine. He pays a small tribute to the subject and then reverts back to his attacks when he disagrees.
I vehemently disagree with a lot of things he says, but I don't try to criticize his freedom to believe what he wants. I don't try to disprove his beliefs, yet he will stop at nothing to disprove mine. He is utterly wasting his time on this thread.

Am I wrong about your agenda 8-Ball? I'd like to be.

 

[Eightball]

8-ball has met with a crisis. While launching a lengthy offensive on the LDS religion he has found his attacks baseless and futile. Without anyone attacking his beliefs he has exposed the holes in his dogma. He is not content to stick to the topic of the discussion which is broadcasting official Mormon Doctrine. He pays a small tribute to the subject and then reverts back to his attacks when he disagrees.
I vehemently disagree with a lot of things he says, but I don't try to criticize his freedom to believe what he wants. I don't try to disprove his beliefs, yet he will stop at nothing to disprove mine. He is utterly wasting his time on this thread.

Am I wrong about your agenda 8-Ball? I'd like to be.

"But even if we( Or J.Smith Jr.) or an angel(Moroni?) from heaven, preach any other gospel(BOM) to you than what we have preached(Bible) to you, let him(Fill in the blank) be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)----Author The Apostle Paul

 

[Avatar4321]

"But even if we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
(Galatians Chapter 1, verse 8 of the New Testament)

What's your point? You clearly dont care what anyone here says. So what's the point of posting when you dont listen and you cant even post accurate information?

I mean come on man. The only way we can have an honest and sincere interaction is by honestly acknowledging what is said and talking about it. Simply repeating yourself again and again when you've already had it explained to you just makes you come off as a dishonest arrogant jerk.

You dont want that. I dont want that. I dont think anyone readying this wants that. So seriously, what is so difficult about having an honest discussion?

 

[Truthspeaker]

Another question. To whom do you owe allegiance, the Mormon church or the US government in those issues that conflict?

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesars, and unto God, the things which are God's" Matthew 22eusa_angel:

 

[Truthspeaker]

8 ball is kicking against the pricks.

 

[Skeptik]

8 ball is kicking against the pricks.

That phrase is likely to elicit a different image among non Mormons than the one you intend.

Perhaps, even a painful image.

 

[Truthspeaker]

8 ball is kicking against the pricks.

That phrase is likely to elicit a different image among non Mormons than the one you intend.

Perhaps, even a painful image.

Yeah well Acts 9:5 where Jesus says to Paul, "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." is what I was referring to.

 

[Skeptik]

8 ball is kicking against the pricks.

That phrase is likely to elicit a different image among non Mormons than the one you intend.

Perhaps, even a painful image.

Yeah well Acts 9:5 where Jesus says to Paul, "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." is what I was referring to.

I know what you were referring to. I'm not so sure that everyone did. It is kind of a strange phrase, when you think of it.

 

[Eightball]

What you need to know about Mormons
Right Truth: What you need to know about Mormons

There are many differences between Christians and Mormons. I do not plan to get into all of those here and I understand that I will stir a hornet's nest with this post. What I DO intend, is to point out the one difference you need to know about. First a disclaimer:

I believe there ARE Christians in the Mormon church. I believe that many Mormons who have not gotten into the hierarchy and original teachings of the church, probably believe the same way I and most Christians believe. Having said that, I do NOT believe that the Mormon doctrine is truly Christian. Mitt Romney told the world that he believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. I have no reason to doubt his statement or his faith. That's between him and God and I would be the last person to judge another's faith or relationship with God. This is not about politics.

My way of determining whether a group is Christian or not is this: Do they believe the way to salvation is based on faith in Jesus Christ, and nothing else. Only faith is required.

... the Mormon Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to bring resurrection and immortality to all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith. Christ’s atonement is only a partial basis for worthiness and eternal life, which also requires obedience to all the commands of the Mormon church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals (Gospel Principles, pp. 74-75; Mormon Doctrine, p. 669).

... the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms "exaltation in the celestial kingdom") must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the "celestial kingdom") — Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price — Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 25:23). (source)


Mormons believe in many gods and they believe that they can BECOME gods. They believe that God was once a human man.

Leaders of the Mormon church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) say:

... the very name of the Savior is in the name of the church. . . . The New Testament is a fundamental scripture for us. We have in addition to that the Book of Mormon, which becomes another witness for Jesus Christ." (here)
First, there IS NO OTHER testament of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Not the Book of Mormon and not the Pearl of Great Price, or any other book. Mormons use all three books as their Scripture.

Second, Just like attaching a Roll Royce logo to a Volkswagen does not make the latter a Rolls Royce, using the name of Jesus Christ does not make Mormonism "Christian."

Third, and most important, Mormons believe Jesus was created, not Divine.

The Mormon Jesus Christ

A created being: the elder brother
of Lucifer

Common (one of many gods) and,
in some ways, of minor important in
the larger Mormon cosmology

Conceived by a physical sex act
between God the Father (Adam or
Elohim) and Mary, thus not through
a true virgin birth

Once sinful and imperfect

Earned his own salvation
(exaltation, godhood)

A married polygamist?

VS:

The Biblical Jesus Christ

Uncreated God

Unique (the Second Person of the one and only Godhead)
and of supreme importance through time, eternity and all
creation

Conceived by the Holy Spirit, who supermaturally
"overshadowed" Mary, thus a true virgin birth

Eternally sinless and perfect

As God, never required salvation

An unmarried monogamist

Quite a comparison.

In the 2nd letter to the Corinthians Paul warns about the very real possibility of another Jesus, a Jesus different from the Jesus Paul had presented to the Corinthians.
For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:4 (here)

The Pearl of Great Price infers that Jesus and Satan were brothers, equals, before Satan refused to carry out God's will:

Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice. (The Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:1-4)


So it can be said that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers, in the sense of both being spiritually begotten by the Father, but it is a misrepresentation to say so without giving the contextual background. Whatever similarities in background exist between Jesus and Satan pale compared to the differences. Jesus is the Beloved and Chosen, who is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. (here)


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, believe some strange things like:

Jesus visited the United States.

There are many heavens, celestial, and terrestrial, and telestial; believers go to one of these if they have earned it in their earthly life.

... the Mormon Church teaches that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577), and that the Son and Holy Ghost are the literal offspring of Heavenly Father and a celestial wife (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649).
Mormons "continue to have children after the resurrection". Also the more children you have here on earth, the higher heaven, or kingdom, you will reside in after death.

...the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
... the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577). (more)


Mormons also believe a living person can be baptized for someone who has already died, thus saving that person and getting them into a heaven/kingdom.

I leave you with the above information and suggest you do some searches and reading on your own.

 

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You going to bother interacting or are you just going to cut and paste with no actual thought process yourself?

 

[Truthspeaker]

What you need to know about Mormons
Right Truth: What you need to know about Mormons

There are many differences between Christians and Mormons. I do not plan to get into all of those here and I understand that I will stir a hornet's nest with this post. What I DO intend, is to point out the one difference you need to know about. First a disclaimer:

I believe there ARE Christians in the Mormon church. I believe that many Mormons who have not gotten into the hierarchy and original teachings of the church, probably believe the same way I and most Christians believe. Having said that, I do NOT believe that the Mormon doctrine is truly Christian. Mitt Romney told the world that he believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. I have no reason to doubt his statement or his faith. That's between him and God and I would be the last person to judge another's faith or relationship with God. This is not about politics.Every member of the church in good standing says the same thing Romney says.

My way of determining whether a group is Christian or not is this: Do they believe the way to salvation is based on faith in Jesus Christ, and nothing else. Only faith is required.You can redifine it all you want. But the dictionary definition is the best.

A Christian - (help·info) is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.[1]



... the Mormon Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to bring resurrection and immortality to all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith. Christ’s atonement is only a partial basis for worthiness and eternal life, which also requires obedience to all the commands of the Mormon church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals (Gospel Principles, pp. 74-75; Mormon Doctrine, p. 669).

... the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms "exaltation in the celestial kingdom") must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the "celestial kingdom") — Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price — Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 25:23). (source)
You don't understand. Everyone achieves salvation from death. All will be resurrected. But in order to achieve Godhood, you must be obedient to all of God's ordinances. It also doesn't have to happen in this life either.

Mormons believe in many godsWe believe there ARE many Gods, but we believe IN only One. and they believe that they can BECOME gods. They believe that God was once a human man. So what is so wrong about that?

Leaders of the Mormon church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) say:

... the very name of the Savior is in the name of the church. . . . The New Testament is a fundamental scripture for us. We have in addition to that the Book of Mormon, which becomes another witness for Jesus Christ." (here)
First, there IS NO OTHER testament of Jesus Christ than the Bible.If that were true, then none of us would be allowed to open our mouths to testify or write in favor of Jesus either. Not the Book of Mormon and not the Pearl of Great Price, or any other book. Mormons use all three books as their Scripture.

Second, Just like attaching a Roll Royce logo to a Volkswagen does not make the latter a Rolls Royce, using the name of Jesus Christ does not make Mormonism "Christian."
Jesus said, "If the church be called in my name, it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
Third, and most important, Mormons believe Jesus was created, not Divine.
Jesus is eternal. That notion is false.
The Mormon Jesus Christ

A created being: the elder brother
of Lucifer I still don't know why people get all riled up about this.

Common (one of many gods) and,
in some ways, of minor important in
the larger Mormon cosmology

Conceived by a physical sex act
between God the Father (Adam or
Elohim) and Mary, thus not through
a true virgin birth That is an UTTER LIE who ever taught it to you. We have always preached the virgin birth. in 1st Nephi chapter 11 verse 18" Behold the virgin whom thou seest, is the mother of the Son of God.

Once sinful and imperfect
Jesus never sinned. His father lived a life just like ours eons ago and attained perfection. Now he is the father of Jesus and the God we pray to. No big deal.
Earned his own salvation
(exaltation, godhood)

A married polygamist? The bible preaches polygamy a lot more than the book of mormon does in case you want to try me.

VS:

The Biblical Jesus Christ

Uncreated God

Unique (the Second Person of the one and only Godhead)
and of supreme importance through time, eternity and all
creation

Conceived by the Holy Spirit, who supermaturally
"overshadowed" Mary, thus a true virgin birth

Eternally sinless and perfect

As God, never required salvation

An unmarried monogamist

Quite a comparison.

In the 2nd letter to the Corinthians Paul warns about the very real possibility of another Jesus, a Jesus different from the Jesus Paul had presented to the Corinthians.
For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:4 (here)

The Pearl of Great Price infers that Jesus and Satan were brothers, equals, before Satan refused to carry out God's will:

Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice. (The Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:1-4)


So it can be said that Jesus and Lucifer were brothersWe are all related as brothers and sisters., in the sense of both being spiritually begotten by the Father, but it is a misrepresentation to say so without giving the contextual background. Whatever similarities in background exist between Jesus and Satan pale compared to the differences. Jesus is the Beloved and Chosen, who is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. (here)


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, believe some strange things like:

Jesus visited the United States.Not such a strange idea any more since it is a tradition that has been passed down in the Mayan culture before white people ever came here. It has been proven.

There are many heavens, celestial, and terrestrial, and telestial; believers go to one of these if they have earned it in their earthly life. And this makes us un-christian how?

... the Mormon Church teaches that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577), and that the Son and Holy Ghost are the literal offspring of Heavenly Father and a celestial wife (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649).
Mormons "continue to have children after the resurrection". Also the more children you have here on earth, the higher heaven, or kingdom, you will reside in after death.

...the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
... the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577). (more)


Mormons also believe a living person can be baptized for someone who has already died, thus saving that person and getting them into a heaven/kingdom.

I leave you with the above information and suggest you do some searches and reading on your own.


All the research has been done and you are not listening very often either, so I don't know what you're agenda is. I have completely given up trying to figure it out:banghead:

 

[Eightball]

What you need to know about Mormons
Right Truth: What you need to know about Mormons

There are many differences between Christians and Mormons. I do not plan to get into all of those here and I understand that I will stir a hornet's nest with this post. What I DO intend, is to point out the one difference you need to know about. First a disclaimer:

I believe there ARE Christians in the Mormon church. I believe that many Mormons who have not gotten into the hierarchy and original teachings of the church, probably believe the same way I and most Christians believe. Having said that, I do NOT believe that the Mormon doctrine is truly Christian. Mitt Romney told the world that he believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. I have no reason to doubt his statement or his faith. That's between him and God and I would be the last person to judge another's faith or relationship with God. This is not about politics.Every member of the church in good standing says the same thing Romney says.
In good standing? Meaning following Mormon doctrine. We have very good, long time friends, that joined the LDS church back in the 1980's (when I was attending bible college), and were biblical Christians, then left the LDS church after they realized that it did not consider the bible innerant. They also had joined because they were very new Christians and "prime bait" to be proselytized as they hadn't been grounded in their own biblical foundations. Sadly their oldest son still is in the Mormon cult, and has shunned his parents because they pulled their membership and joined a bible church. The son's wife; also a Mormon treats our friends her mother and father in law, with very little respect.
My way of determining whether a group is Christian or not is this: Do they believe the way to salvation is based on faith in Jesus Christ, and nothing else. Only faith is required.You can redifine it all you want. But the dictionary definition is the best.

A Christian - (help·info) is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.[1]

Sadly Merriam Webster is the last source a Christian would look to, t determine the definition of salvation in regards to biblical Christianity. Going to secular sources to define a Spiritual, Godly, and most important part of Christianity, and disregard the bible is without merit, nor good apologetics.
... the Mormon Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to bring resurrection and immortality to all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith. Christ’s atonement is only a partial basis for worthiness and eternal life, which also requires obedience to all the commands of the Mormon church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals (Gospel Principles, pp. 74-75; Mormon Doctrine, p. 669).

... the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms "exaltation in the celestial kingdom") must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the "celestial kingdom") — Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price — Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 25:23). (source)
You don't understand. Everyone achieves salvation from death. All will be resurrected. But in order to achieve Godhood, you must be obedient to all of God's ordinances. It also doesn't have to happen in this life either.
Everyone doesn't receive salvation. "Romans 3:23, all have sinned and fallen short "........It is true that salvation is part and partial with "death", but not as the LDS church defines it. Galatians 2:20 clearly defines death as co-crucifixion, co-burial, co-ressurrection "in" Christ's life. When a person asked to be saved by the one and only source/person's/God's life who can do it; namely Jesus, they receive the crucified, buried, and ressurrected life of Jesus Christ, via the Mightly Counselor, the Spirit or Christ that enters their soul(Mind, will, emotions,) of that human being. The recipient of Salvation literally receives Christ's life though retains their earthly fallible body, but is within, a new Creature, new Creation in Christ Jesus. This is all in Romans, and very clearly laid out. All who are Christians have "died", not all mankind. The Mormon church may have a few true Christians within it's ranks, but it is a very difficult position to be in, as the Holy Spirit is quenched, and God is working on their soul to see the True LIght.

Mormons believe in many godsWe believe there ARE many Gods, but we believe IN only One. and they believe that they can BECOME gods. They believe that God was once a human man. So what is so wrong about that?
Totally unbiblical, and flies in the face of Christ's last words at the cross, "It is finished". And indeed it was finished for eternity past, present, and future. Anyone who called on the biblical Jesus' name to save them, enter into that eternally past, present, and future life, that is the "Crucified Life".

As long as you accept the con-man from N.Y. as a bonafide prophet, you kick at the pricks of 2,000 years of biblical Christianity.

Leaders of the Mormon church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) say:

... the very name of the Savior is in the name of the church. . . . The New Testament is a fundamental scripture for us. We have in addition to that the Book of Mormon, which becomes another witness for Jesus Christ." (here)
First, there IS NO OTHER testament of Jesus Christ than the Bible.If that were true, then none of us would be allowed to open our mouths to testify or write in favor of Jesus either.
The bible gives you more than enough information to testify of Christ's worth, identity and God Almight, Emmanuel, Adonai, etc....The BOM is filled with a very corrupt man's(J.S. Jr.) mystical abberations that started way back in his boyhood days. He was arrested back their for vagrancy, was killed not as a martyr, but with gun in hand, as one who had conspired to destroy a city's news press. The author of the BOM revealed a type of self pro-claimed ancient Egyptian language that was never confirmed as legitimate. Also the God of present or in 1830 knows very well that the language of 17 century Americans was basically English and not ancient Egyptian; a most unusual and silly way to communicate cleary with mankind of that time period.

Not the Book of Mormon and not the Pearl of Great Price, or any other book. Mormons use all three books as their Scripture.

Second, Just like attaching a Roll Royce logo to a Volkswagen does not make the latter a Rolls Royce, using the name of Jesus Christ does not make Mormonism "Christian."
Jesus said, "If the church be called in my name, it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
Naming one's church with Jesus' name is not sufficient to claim true authorship of Jesus' Gospel. That's a "no brainer".
Third, and most important, Mormons believe Jesus was created, not Divine.
Jesus is eternal. That notion is false.
You go against the "pricks" of your own prophets teachings who taught that Jesus was a result of physical/sexual union between father god and Mary. Also that would take away Mary's status as a virgin, and Jesus' birth as divine and the Holy Spirit being just that: Spirit, that came upon the virgin, Mary.
The Mormon Jesus Christ

A created being: the elder brother
of Lucifer I still don't know why people get all riled up about this.
Shows that you don't know bible N.T. scripture........Jesus called those that didn't believe in Him or God, as "Children of the Devil/Lucifer). It would certainly bother me to be part of that family of non-believers as Revelations and many of the N.T. epistles reveal a most unpleasant fate for those who die in unbelief.

Common (one of many gods) and,
in some ways, of minor important in
the larger Mormon cosmology

Conceived by a physical sex act
between God the Father (Adam or
Elohim) and Mary, thus not through
a true virgin birth That is an UTTER LIE who ever taught it to you. We have always preached the virgin birth. in 1st Nephi chapter 11 verse 18" Behold the virgin whom thou seest, is the mother of the Son of God.
Answered earlier.

Once sinful and imperfect
Jesus never sinned. His father lived a life just like ours eons ago and attained perfection. Now he is the father of Jesus and the God we pray to. No big deal.
God never attained anything. "The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow" is self explanatory. God is God. He has pre-existed time, matter, creation, etc..........He has always existed. I know it's hard to comprehend, "eternity or always been", but that's what differentiates us created beings from Him. God didn't have to prove that He is who He is. God didn't even need us to be self-sufficient. Thats the heart of grace and mercy! That's what causes men to fall on their faces before Him. We are dust, we are finite, He is God.
Earned his own salvation
(exaltation, godhood)

A married polygamist? The bible preaches polygamy a lot more than the book of mormon does in case you want to try me.
The bible doesn't "teach" polygamy, it reveals it as a cultural fact of the time that particular scripture was written-down. God did not encourage Abraham to take his slave as a wife. Abraham failed in the faith test of God's promise to wait for Sarah to become pregnant.
King Solomon disobeyed God when he took more than one wife. In fact the down fall of the king's reign seem to coincide with his rebellion. Solomon partook in Sheba's gods that was totally against God's commands. There was one Eve in the garden. God saw Adam as lonely and need of a helpmate..........He made one woman for Adam.

VS:

The Biblical Jesus Christ

Uncreated God

Unique (the Second Person of the one and only Godhead)
and of supreme importance through time, eternity and all
creation

Conceived by the Holy Spirit, who supermaturally
"overshadowed" Mary, thus a true virgin birth

Eternally sinless and perfect

As God, never required salvation

An unmarried monogamist

Quite a comparison.

In the 2nd letter to the Corinthians Paul warns about the very real possibility of another Jesus, a Jesus different from the Jesus Paul had presented to the Corinthians.
For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:4 (here)

The Pearl of Great Price infers that Jesus and Satan were brothers, equals, before Satan refused to carry out God's will:

Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice. (The Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:1-4)


So it can be said that Jesus and Lucifer were brothersWe are all related as brothers and sisters., in the sense of both being spiritually begotten by the Father, but it is a misrepresentation to say so without giving the contextual background. Whatever similarities in background exist between Jesus and Satan pale compared to the differences. Jesus is the Beloved and Chosen, who is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. (here)


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, believe some strange things like:

Jesus visited the United States.Not such a strange idea any more since it is a tradition that has been passed down in the Mayan culture before white people ever came here. It has been proven.
Here we go again. Your using pagan culture/religion to justify your alleged strange rites, beliefs. If you stay locked into the bible, you can find all you want to keep yourself on the right path. You don't need to referr to a pagan culture that ripped the hearts out of living beings to appease their gods. A very poor example in my estimation.

There are many heavens, celestial, and terrestrial, and telestial; believers go to one of these if they have earned it in their earthly life. And this makes us un-christian how?
Stray from the bible, and you go awry. You have "chosen" to believe in an archeologically unsubstantiated belief system, with a very questionable founder, and you thing all is right with your religion?

... the Mormon Church teaches that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577), and that the Son and Holy Ghost are the literal offspring of Heavenly Father and a celestial wife (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649).
Mormons "continue to have children after the resurrection". Also the more children you have here on earth, the higher heaven, or kingdom, you will reside in after death.

...the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
... the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577). (more)


Mormons also believe a living person can be baptized for someone who has already died, thus saving that person and getting them into a heaven/kingdom.

I leave you with the above information and suggest you do some searches and reading on your own.


All the research has been done and you are not listening very often either, so I don't know what you're agenda is. I have completely given up trying to figure it out:banghead:

I'd say that the one not listening is the one who is already set in their beliefs that Jesus is and Christianity is not defined by the Holy bible, but by questionable sources, for the last hundred and more years.

J.S. jr. started as a Church of Christ(Campbellite), member, in his early days, and re-named his new church LDS as "Church of Christ" was of Campbellite origin. Though the Campbellites have some issues of their own, they are basically biblical, but are entrenched in "baptismal regeneration", and much legalism.