Zone1 Do animals have souls?

[BreezeWood]

I love that translation. It sure fits with the evidence that our dogs, cats, horses and other pets are full of love for us and seem to be on a mission to prepare us for the afterlife.

Do you know the name of that particular translation?

from the 1st century events, jesus.

 

[The Irish Ram]

 

[DennisPTate]

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Dr. Billy Graham was absolutely correct that his dog will be there in heaven.

3. Living Animals Can Sense the Spirit​

Animals have long been regarded as sensitive to unseen phenomena. They appear to be able to perceive shifts in energy that escape ordinary human awareness. NDEs add a compelling reality to this belief, offering evidence that living animals are able to respond directly to human consciousness during NDEs. Dogs and cats are seen reacting with focused attention when a person is out of body. In some cases, animals seem to act as messengers urging the NDEr to return to life.

NDE researchers Robert and Suzanne Mays documented Jerry Casebolt’s NDE at age seven, where he hovered above and just out of reach of a dog on a playground, with the dog repeatedly wagging its tail, jumping up and barking at him. They looked into each other’s eyes; Jerry was moving up, down and to the sides; they moved together like a dance (Corcoran, 1996, p. 81; Casebolt, personal communication, 3 August 2008). The case of a dog seeing and tracking an NDEr suggests that the light emitted might be in the UV range since dogs have greater visual acuity than humans in the blue and purple frequencies and presumably also in the UV range.

Fred B. was out-of-body when his living cat sensed he was dying: “I would still be aware that my earthy body was lying on the sofa. My cat would start meowing, as if it could sense a different level of energy or that something was happening to me. I clearly left my body and existed outside it.”

Animals and the Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

 

[Chuz Life]

The idea of "Souls" is a fascinating idea, and I really would like to know more about them.

As of yet, I'm not convinced there is such a thing.

If anyone has any real proof or evidence, I would like to see it.

 

[Hafar1014]

one perspective is the density of consciousness, where they say animals are 2nd density and humans are 3rd density.

Seven Levels Of Density Consciousness [Ascension & Law Of One] - Liz Watt

IUnderstanding the seven levels of density-consciousness will help make sense of what you are experiencing and the transformation humanity is collectively going through on Earth.

lizwatt.com

If you can give and receive love you have a soul

 

[onefour1]

The idea of "Souls" is a fascinating idea, and I really would like to know more about them.

As of yet, I'm not convinced there is such a thing.

If anyone has any real proof or evidence, I would like to see it.

Matthew 17:1-8
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

In these verses Peter, James and John saw Moses and Elias appear before Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is the first of all who have come to the earth and received bodies that have resurrect from the dead. Since this occurred before Jesus died and was resurrected, Moses and Elias were not resurrected and embodied but were the spirits of prophets who lived before the days of Jesus.

Another evidence from the Bible is that after Jesus had died and before he was resurrected he went among the spirits of the dead to preach His gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

 

[BothWings]

I think all living things don't have A SOUL, per se, but they just "have soul". And when they die that soul stuff goes back to the Cosmic Sea. Every living thing is an amalgam of drops from that Cosmic Ocean. Occasionally the same drops may end up together in a corporeal entity again, and thats when that entity becomes aware that it has been here before. I see it as being very similar to the hydrologic cycle in nature, but perhaps with some will and purpose that we create.

 

[Chuz Life]

Matthew 17:1-8
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

In these verses Peter, James and John saw Moses and Elias appear before Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is the first of all who have come to the earth and received bodies that have resurrect from the dead. Since this occurred before Jesus died and was resurrected, Moses and Elias were not resurrected and embodied but were the spirits of prophets who lived before the days of Jesus.

Another evidence from the Bible is that after Jesus had died and before he was resurrected he went among the spirits of the dead to preach His gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

I'm not seeing how that is "proof" of souls.

Help a fellow out with an actual attempt at an explanation.

 

[onefour1]

I'm not see how that is "proof" of souls.

Help a fellow out with an actual attempt at an explanation.

you didn't ask for just proof. You said, "If anyone has any real proof or evidence, I would like to see it." I consider it evidence .

 

[Chuz Life]

you didn't ask for just proof. You said, "If anyone has any real proof or evidence, I would like to see it." I consider it evidence .

I don't see the evidence, either.

Just a story from the Bible with nothing solid to support it,

 

[onefour1]

I don't see the evidence, either.

Just a story from the Bible with nothing solid to support it,

It is witness testimony.

 

[Chuz Life]

It is witness testimony.

Historical record?

Hearsay?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I don't see the evidence, either.

Just a story from the Bible with nothing solid to support it,

You are in the RELIGION forum talking about souls.

All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?” “… and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.”

 

[onefour1]

Historical record?

Hearsay?

If you needed absolute proof beyond any doubt, then just limit your request to proof. Evidence includes witness testimony. Yes, you can doubt a witness' testimony but it is all evidence. Evidence and proof are not the same thing.

 

[Chuz Life]

You are in the RELIGION forum talking about souls.

Yes.

Is there a better place to ask about them?

All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?” “… and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.”

I understand the belief.

I'm trying to confirm the basis to support the belief.

 

[Chuz Life]

If you needed absolute proof beyond any doubt, then just limit your request to proof. Evidence includes witness testimony. Yes, you can doubt a witness' testimony but it is all evidence. Evidence and proof are not the same thing.

Okay.

Will do.

Sorry if you were confused by my asking for both proof and evidence at the same time.

I thought the context of my request would have been obvious.

 

[ding]

You are in the RELIGION forum talking about souls.

All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?” “… and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.”

The flesh is of no avail. ~Jesus

 

[buttercup]

Okay.

Will do.

Sorry if you were confused by my asking for both proof and evidence at the same time.

I thought the context of my request would have been obvious.

I don't think you actually disbelieve in the existence of a soul, because the soul is just our mind, will and emotions. So unless you're saying that those things don't exist, what you're questioning is the existence of an immortal soul, or a soul that continues on after one's physical body dies.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I don't think you actually disbelieve in the existence of a soul, because the soul is just our mind, will and emotions. So unless you're saying that those things don't exist, what you're questioning is the existence of an immortal soul, or a soul that continues on after one's physical body dies.

My belief:
The "soul" is our life. That ends at death.
What goes back to God is our spirit. That is not a living thing, but the programming that God uses to rebuild us at the resurrection of the dead (the Church first, at His Return)
The Scriptures tell us the animals have this spirit as well, and it too goes back to God at death.

I don't know how far down the food chain this goes, but the mammals at least poses a spirit

 

[buttercup]

My belief:
The "soul" is our life. That ends at death.
What goes back to God is our spirit. That is not a living thing, but the programming that God uses to rebuild us at the resurrection of the dead (the Church first, at His Return)
The Scriptures tell us the animals have this spirit as well, and it too goes back to God at death.

I don't know how far down the food chain this goes, but the mammals at least poses a soirit

Yeah, I didn't say this in my post to Chuz, but I agree that we are 3 parts (tripartite).... body, soul and spirit. Some people combine the soul and the spirit and use those words interchangeably. But I believe they are two different things.

I always thought of the soul as the "software", the body as the "hardware".... and the spirit as the life, or "electricity." But I'm still open to learning about this topic, because it's very interesting to me.