The Touchy Subject of Black Confederate Soldiers

[JoeB131]

You and @Unkotare are one and the same. You say things but can't answer questions. When you can't answer the questions, you don't know what you're talking about.

Sure we do. We just don't go into your bizarre interpretation that Southern Inbreds who died by the thousands so a few rich jerkwads could keep owning other people did anything noble.

The problem with our treatment of the South after the war was that it was too lenient, given what they tried to pull off. In most other civil wars, the losing side's leaders are either executed or forced to flee the country, never to return.

Secession has never been argued before the Supreme Court. And it should be. The 13th and 14th amendments are either legal or illegal. Reconstruction was/is legal or illegal.

NO, what we need to do is stop Molly-coddling the South.

Tear down every Confederate statue
Make displaying the Stars and Bars a Hate Crime (
Make sure that when a little Southern inbred reads a history book, THIS is how slavery is portrayed.

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

^^^

 

[Quantrill]

Sure we do. We just don't go into your bizarre interpretation that Southern Inbreds who died by the thousands so a few rich jerkwads could keep owning other people did anything noble.

The problem with our treatment of the South after the war was that it was too lenient, given what they tried to pull off. In most other civil wars, the losing side's leaders are either executed or forced to flee the country, never to return.


NO, what we need to do is stop Molly-coddling the South.

Tear down every Confederate statue
Make displaying the Stars and Bars a Hate Crime (
Make sure that when a little Southern inbred reads a history book, THIS is how slavery is portrayed.

No, you cannot answer the questions because the historical record is against you. Thus you ignore them. But they won't go away.

Oh yes, it's much easier to tear down a flag or statue then answering the hard questions. That is the point. The North got their military victory. They had the power to do it. They showed that to the whole world.

But, they couldn't validate that military victory with a legal victory proving the South guilty of treason and being traitor. So they lie and bullshit and manipulate and declare it was legal. But they know it wasn't. And they can't prove it. Just like you can't.

And Jeff Davis walks out the door. Can't you just hear that iron cell door creaking open. Glory, glory hallelujah....

The South was the patriot. The North was traitor. What's up with all those Jim Crow Northern Black Codes before the war?

You would think that black man in your picture would learn to stay out of those Yankee cities.

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

^^^^^

 

[Quantrill]

^^^^^

And Jeff Davis walks out a free man. Secession is upheld. The South was right. The North is traitor. How does it feel....oh, how does it feel...to be on your own...traitor with no home....?

'Glory, glory hallelujah...glory glory hallelujah... glory glory hallelujah, Jeff Davis walked out free'

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

^^^

 

[Quantrill]

^^^

And Jeff Davis walks out a free man. Secession is upheld. The South was right. The North is traitor. How does it feel....oh, how does it feel...to be on your own...traitor with no home....?

'Glory, glory hallelujah...glory glory hallelujah... glory glory hallelujah, Jeff Davis walked out free'

Quantrilol

No, you cannot answer the questions because the historical record is against you. Thus you ignore them. But they won't go away.

Oh yes, it's much easier to tear down a flag or statue then answering the hard questions. That is the point. The North got their military victory. They had the power to do it. They showed that to the whole world.

But, they couldn't validate that military victory with a legal victory proving the South guilty of treason and being traitor. So they lie and bullshit and manipulate and declare it was legal. But they know it wasn't. And they can't prove it. Just like you can't.

And Jeff Davis walks out the door. Can't you just hear that iron cell door creaking open. Glory, glory hallelujah....

The South was the patriot. The North was traitor. What's up with all those Jim Crow Northern Black Codes before the war?

You would think that black man in your picture would learn to stay out of those Yankee cities.

Quantrill

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

^^^^^

 

[Quantrill]

^^^^^

No, you cannot answer the questions because the historical record is against you. Thus you ignore them. But they won't go away.

Oh yes, it's much easier to tear down a flag or statue then answering the hard questions. That is the point. The North got their military victory. They had the power to do it. They showed that to the whole world.

But, they couldn't validate that military victory with a legal victory proving the South guilty of treason and being traitor. So they lie and bullshit and manipulate and declare it was legal. But they know it wasn't. And they can't prove it. Just like you can't.

And Jeff Davis walks out the door. Can't you just hear that iron cell door creaking open. Glory, glory hallelujah....

The South was the patriot. The North was traitor. What's up with all those Jim Crow Northern Black Codes before the war?

You would think that black man in your picture would learn to stay out of those Yankee cities.

Quantrill

And Jeff Davis walks out a free man. Secession is upheld. The South was right. The North is traitor. How does it feel....oh, how does it feel...to be on your own...traitor with no home....?

'Glory, glory hallelujah...glory glory hallelujah... glory glory hallelujah, Jeff Davis walked out free'

Quantrill

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

 

[JoeB131]

No, you cannot answer the questions because the historical record is against you.

I gave you answers, just no ones you liked.

Oh yes, it's much easier to tear down a flag or statue then answering the hard questions. That is the point. The North got their military victory. They had the power to do it. They showed that to the whole world.

Except like most countries that win a war, they lost the peace. Same thing with World War I. We won the war, and lost the peace that followed, and we are still paying for it today.

But, they couldn't validate that military victory with a legal victory proving the South guilty of treason and being traitor. So they lie and bullshit and manipulate and declare it was legal. But they know it wasn't. And they can't prove it. Just like you can't.

Or the leadership of the North, especially the feckless Andrew Johnson, were too cowardly to do what needed to be done.

There's a reason why Johnson was impeached, and it was largely that he did stuff like this.

And Jeff Davis walks out a free man. Secession is upheld. The South was right. The North is traitor. How does it feel....oh, how does it feel...to be on your own...traitor with no home....?

I think you are deluded. No one today thinks well of the South. The Lost Cause BS is finally being challenged, which is why people like the OP want to go with "Slavery wasn't that bad, see, there were blacks in the CS Army.

 

[eagle7-31]

I gave you answers, just no ones you liked.


Except like most countries that win a war, they lost the peace. Same thing with World War I. We won the war, and lost the peace that followed, and we are still paying for it today.



Or the leadership of the North, especially the feckless Andrew Johnson, were too cowardly to do what needed to be done.

There's a reason why Johnson was impeached, and it was largely that he did stuff like this.



I think you are deluded. No one today thinks well of the South. The Lost Cause BS is finally being challenged, which is why people like the OP want to go with "Slavery wasn't that bad, see, there were blacks in the CS Army.

'Except like most countries that win a war, they lost the peace. Same thing with World War I. We won the war, and lost the peace that followed, and we are still paying for it today.'

You made an accurate statement there.

 

[Quantrill]

I gave you answers, just no ones you liked.


Except like most countries that win a war, they lost the peace. Same thing with World War I. We won the war, and lost the peace that followed, and we are still paying for it today.



Or the leadership of the North, especially the feckless Andrew Johnson, were too cowardly to do what needed to be done.

There's a reason why Johnson was impeached, and it was largely that he did stuff like this.



I think you are deluded. No one today thinks well of the South. The Lost Cause BS is finally being challenged, which is why people like the OP want to go with "Slavery wasn't that bad, see, there were blacks in the CS Army.

No, you haven't given answers.

Post #(320)...I asked you how secession was argued before the Supreme Court.

Post #(320)...I asked you to tell me about the Jim Crow Black Codes in the North before the War.

Post #(320)...I asked you to tell me how a state can be forced to ratify the 13th and 14th amendments in order to be brought back into the Union, if it was never out of the Union? Please answer.

The leadership of the North wanted the legal validity for their military victory. Trying Jeff Davis and secession for treason would give it, they thought. Their lawyers after studying the legality of it, backed away saying it was a losing case. The North if it pursued this would be found as the one who started that war. The North would be seen as traitor to the Constitution. The North would be seen as guilty of treason.

Thus they let Jeff Davis go free so it would not be made so public that they were in fact the guilty party.

You are too stupid to see that the legal aspect was what they were after. And neither they or you are able to present it.

How does it feel...traitor?

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

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[JoeB131]

No, you haven't given answers.

Sure I have. It's just not one that pro-Confederate people like to hear. They want to hear that slavery was benevolent and they were fighting a noble lost cause.


They were fighting because a few rich people wanted to own slaves and they were terrified of black people.

The leadership of the North wanted the legal validity for their military victory. Trying Jeff Davis and secession for treason would give it, they thought. Their lawyers after studying the legality of it, backed away saying it was a losing case. The North if it pursued this would be found as the one who started that war. The North would be seen as traitor to the Constitution. The North would be seen as guilty of treason.

Well, no, what the North wanted to do was end slavery and then try to go back to "normal" as quickly as possible.

The problem was, they didn't want to try anyone, not just Davis. Lee, Stephens, most of the traitors were never imprisoned at all, and then Andrew the Feckless gave everyone a pardon.

This was a historical mistake we are still paying for today.

 

[Quantrill]

JoeB131

You didn't answer any question. Here they are again. There are three. Please answer.

No, you haven't given answers.

Post #(320)...I asked you how secession was argued before the Supreme Court.

Post #(320)...I asked you to tell me about the Jim Crow Black Codes in the North before the War.

Post #(320)...I asked you to tell me how a state can be forced to ratify the 13th and 14th amendments in order to be brought back into the Union, if it was never out of the Union? Please answer.

The leadership of the North wanted the legal validity for their military victory. Trying Jeff Davis and secession for treason would give it, they thought. Their lawyers after studying the legality of it, backed away saying it was a losing case. The North if it pursued this would be found as the one who started that war. The North would be seen as traitor to the Constitution. The North would be seen as guilty of treason.

Thus they let Jeff Davis go free so it would not be made so public that they were in fact the guilty party.

You are too stupid to see that the legal aspect was what they were after. And neither they or you are able to present it.

How does it feel...traitor?

Quantrill

Quantrill

 

[IM2]

The touchy subject of slaves being forced to fight for the confederacy is the accurate title of this thread.

 

[Unkotare]

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

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[Quantrill]

The touchy subject of slaves being forced to fight for the confederacy is the accurate title of this thread.

Well, since very very few slaves fought for the Confederacy, then very very few were forced.

How abut those mean white devils that didn't force their slaves to fight?

Quantrill

 

[IM2]

Well, since very very few slaves fought for the Confederacy, then very very few were forced.

How abut those mean white devils that didn't force their slaves to fight?

Quantrill

Stop making excuses white ---.

Blacks didn't willingly fight for the Confederacy. Stop trying to deny the shit whites have done.