...the tic of using 'Nazi' references ....

I did not want to sidetrack that thead about the moke in need of a new heart. I had instigated an exchange about the too frequent usage of Nazi references and symbolism as tactic to make a discussion point.

I think it is inappropriate. And said so. And then there were a couple more exchanges.....and that motivated me to NOT mess up that thread with a side-discussion.

So, let's Tee-it-up here.

My positon: Saying a mandate to encourage vaccinations, or masking, or social disancing is "Nazi"-like, or "Hitler"-like, is inappropriate and wrongheaded.

It trivializes the staggering human tragedy that the Nazi's perpetrated 70+ years ago. It takes the immensity of those horrible deaths.....and diminishes them to fit a nickel-dime polemic today over one minor political point or another.

In my view it is disrespectful to the millions and millions of people who died as a result of Naziism....not to mention the millions and million of family members who experience the loss of loved ones.

And then, in reading my newsfeed from today's 'The Hill'....I see I am not alone.
And more importantly, my belief is better carried by some one far more qualified than me to speak of it.

Here, read this, from The Hill:




TheHill.com

Holocaust survivor condemns use of yellow star at COVID-19 protests​

BY MAUREEN BRESLIN - 01/27/22 01:01 PM EST 0





Holocaust survivor condemns use of yellow star at COVID-19 protests

© Getty Images

Margot Friedlaender, a survivor of the Holocaust who turned 100-years-old in November, on Thursday condemned the co-opting of the yellow Star of David patch, which Jewish people were forced to wear during the era of Nazi Germany, by anti-vaccine protestors.

Speaking to the European Parliament in Brussels, Belgium, Friedlaender reminding people of the importance of remembering and honoring the victims of the mass genocide, Reuters reported.

"Incredulous, I had to watch at the age of 100 years, how symbols of our exclusion by the Nazis, such as the so-called 'Judenstern' [the German word for the yellow badges], are shamelessly used on the open street by the new enemies of democracy, to present themselves — whilst living in the middle of a democracy—as victims," she said, speaking on the 77th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland.

"Today, I see the memory of what happened being abused for political reasons, sometimes even derided and trampled all over," she added, per Reuters.

Friedlaender's mother and brother were both killed in Auschwitz, and Friedlaender herself survived a concentration camp in modern-day Czech Republic.
Reuters reported that the Israeli government published a report Thursday accusing anti-vaccine protesters of stoking global anti-Semitism.

There have been several reports of anti-vaxxers around the world using the yellow badges during protests, in an effort to compare COVID-19 public health regulations to Nazis singling out Jews for persecution."

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Read the whole enchilada...here:

It's REALLY simple:

Don't act like a Nazi. :)
 
Nazism is universally seen as evil. Therefore, if you can label your political opponent as one, it gives you an added edge in propaganda.

So who were the Nazis? Were they some military/ideological group in a bubble never to be seen again? Or were they simply a natural creation of the political evolution that makes us what we are today?

I say the later, which makes it all the more troubling. They were humans just like us, making us capable of the same.

Therefore, ignoring the Nazi regime and never comparing anyone to it again, seems most dangerous and irresponsible.

So what makes someone a Nazi?

Here is a political spectrum scale trying to divide the various political ideologies

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But what is the spectrum based upon? It does not say. Why has "the right" been given the Nazi regime as one of their own when the term Nazi means National Socialist? This scale I think was designed by those on the Left for propaganda purposes, and has been accepted hook, line, and sinker by most thanks to our Left wing media and academia. For you see, they understand the need to try and distance the National Socialists from their Left wing roots.

For me, the issue is centralized control. So if the scale measures centralized control, the political scale would look more like this

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Like it or not, Hitler was a cutting edge progressive in many ways. He was a cutting edge environmentalist. For example, the Nazi soldiers were ordered to plant more trees. They were the first in Europe to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats. They were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine. And Hitler and other leading Nazis were vegetarian as they passed numerous laws protecting the rights of animals. Herman Goring announced and end to the "unbearable torture and suffering in animal experiments and those who still think they can treat animals as inanimate property will be sent off to a concentration camp"

So how can those who loved animals so much, treat human beings so terribly? This example of the kind of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde reality of human nature and we ignore it by refusing to ever make comparisons to life today at our peril.

How Jews were treated in Nazi Germany is also very informative, and should give us all a lesson today on things to watch for. Why were the Jews persecuted so? And how were they persecuted? These questions are key to preventing it from happening again, which it will.

Historian Gotz Aly wrote a book called "Hitlers Handouts". In the book, he made a rather persuasive argument as to how a large centralized government gave rise to the Jewish extermination.

For example, Hitler picked on a minority population who was economically affluent. Jews over the centuries were often hated for their higher socioeconomic status, so having the government target them gave a great many satisfaction, much like how the Left often targets the top 1% in the US. In fact, during the Occupy Wall Street protests in the US, there were many signs that were anti-Semitic such as, "Jewish Banker go home to Israel", etc. This Jewish hatred is timeless.

Hitler simply rounded up all the Jews, took their wealth, and sent them off to die. They were a minority so who would miss them, and they had a great deal of wealth to bolster their economy, which they did.

Jews were then dehumanized in the media by comparing them to vermin. Dehumanization is key to genocide. So long as people don't view others as their equal, they will be treated like animals. And what do we do with animals? We cage them in zoos, use them as beasts of burden, and kill and eat them., etc. Today, we see this with the unborn. They are not referred to as unborn babies, but a fetus. And we see this in Islam as their opponents are regarded as "infidels", etc.

But I think the most revealing aspect of the Jewish persecution was the requirement for them to wear a Star of David. After all, if we are persuaded by the government and the media they control to hate a certain people, how do we know who to hate? Without the Star of David, it was near impossible. That's why dividing the population by race is so useful. Just look at the color of their skin to know, and no Star of David will be needed.

This is why I am most concerned with political leaders today constantly talking about black and white. Do we not understand we have the same blood running through us as those in the Nazi regime? Centralized all powerful government in combination with this race Balkanization of society is to be feared above all.

Remember, the ones in power are the only ones capable of fascism.

And genocide on a large scale in an efficient manner without a large centralized government is impossible.

Just ask those being targeted by China today for genocide.

There is very little difference between a Nazi and someone from the CCP.
Some very good points.
 
yeah. sometimes it just gets overloaded. like when a fucktard like you posts something as outrageously moronic as you just did. should i laugh, cry, just shake my head, point a finger and say HA Ha, post a gif of Ralph Wiggum eating paste. normally my brain knows what to do.
And right on cue the mentally deficient must go towards anger because you have no argument or can't think of any...
 
Look, what follows may seem to be overdriving the nail.
I get that.
But I so rarely get such public validation of my sentiments that I feel a little boosterism is not unwarranted.

As explained in the OP, this thread exists so as not to detract from another thread where this issue had become a sidebar. And, because after that 'sidebar' business unfolded I saw reportage in this morning's The Hill that followed the line of my thinking.....i.e., the Nazi-fetish that some RWNJ posters use to advance their polemic is inappropriate.


And now there is this reportage from today's Daily Beast:


"Holocaust Survivor Sidney Zoltak Has a Message for Anti-Vaxxers Exploiting His Trauma"

A taster:
"In recent months, a number of Americans—mostly on the conservative right—have compared taking precautions against the spread of COVID-19 to the Holocaust, reappropriating everything from swastikas to the yellow Star of David as symbols of their so-called oppression.


Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said it was akin to “a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star… put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany.”
Upon learning that Washington, D.C., would be requiring proof of vaccination to patronize its businesses, Republican Rep. Warren Davidson tweeted an image of a Nazi document with the caption, “This has been done before. #DoNotComply.”

All of this is infuriating to Holocaust survivor Sidney Zoltak.
“It takes an awful lot of what we would call chutzpah, because anybody who did not live through German occupation in Europe for any length of time would not know what the Holocaust was. Among my community of 7,000 Jews, less than 70 survived. And among the survivors, none of them were my classmates or friends,” he remembers.
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Which is exactly my point. These American internet chatterati employ their Nazi-fetishes of swastikas, Hitler, and Holocaust imagery to advance a polemic over some nickel/dime internet political point.

It is callous, cynical, and ignorant of history. It trivializes the deaths of 50 million people. Many of them cruelly 'exterminated' in death camps specifically designed and intended to 'exterminate' as many people as possible.

And the chatterati think that the resulting piles of bones is a rightful platform for them to displaly their Nazi-fetish and complain about getting a vaccine.

It is ridiculous. It is shameful. It embarrasses America.
What ACTUALLY embarrasses - and destroys - the United States:

Democrat Nazism.
 
Referring the Dems and their interfering and criminal ways are Nazi like. What else would you call it?

Hitler marked those he put into camps.
The Dems are marking people with their "vaccine".
Hitler used propaganda, lies, and rhetoric to confuse and distract people from what was really going on.
The Dems are doing the exact same.
Hitler segregated people into class types and class identifications.
The Dems have done that, and continue to do that.
Hitler had his spies out in the towns, cities, and villages to stir up hatred, and "sniff out" those who were not in line with Hitlers wants and needs.
The Dems have done that with the voting scams and the premeditated, Dem funded "insurrection" on the Capitol.


Tell me again, exactly how the Dems ARE NOT akin to Hilter and being the new Nazi's?!!??
 
Referring the Dems and their interfering and criminal ways are Nazi like. What else would you call it? Hitler marked those he put into camps. The Dems are marking people with their "vaccine".
Tell me again, exactly how the Dems ARE NOT akin to Hilter and being the new Nazi's?!!??
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As one may conjecture from the above poster: Nazi-fetishist and Hitler-fanboys remain blithely unaware.



From one Holocaust survivors, previously quoted:

"Incredulous, I had to watch at the age of 100 years, how symbols of our exclusion by the Nazis, such as the so-called 'Judenstern' [the German word for the yellow badges], are shamelessly used on the open street by the new enemies of democracy, to present themselves — whilst living in the middle of a democracy—as victims," she said, speaking on the 77th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland.

"Today, I see the memory of what happened being abused for political reasons, sometimes even derided and trampled all over," she added, per Reuters.
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Friedlaender's mother and brother were both killed in Auschwitz, and Friedlaender herself survived a concentration camp in modern-day Czech Republic.
 
I did not want to sidetrack that thead about the moke in need of a new heart. I had instigated an exchange about the too frequent usage of Nazi references and symbolism as tactic to make a discussion point.

I think it is inappropriate. And said so. And then there were a couple more exchanges.....and that motivated me to NOT mess up that thread with a side-discussion.

So, let's Tee-it-up here.

My positon: Saying a mandate to encourage vaccinations, or masking, or social disancing is "Nazi"-like, or "Hitler"-like, is inappropriate and wrongheaded.

It trivializes the staggering human tragedy that the Nazi's perpetrated 70+ years ago. It takes the immensity of those horrible deaths.....and diminishes them to fit a nickel-dime polemic today over one minor political point or another.

In my view it is disrespectful to the millions and millions of people who died as a result of Naziism....not to mention the millions and million of family members who experience the loss of loved ones.

And then, in reading my newsfeed from today's 'The Hill'....I see I am not alone.
And more importantly, my belief is better carried by some one far more qualified than me to speak of it.

Here, read this, from The Hill:




TheHill.com

Holocaust survivor condemns use of yellow star at COVID-19 protests​

BY MAUREEN BRESLIN - 01/27/22 01:01 PM EST 0





Holocaust survivor condemns use of yellow star at COVID-19 protests

© Getty Images

Margot Friedlaender, a survivor of the Holocaust who turned 100-years-old in November, on Thursday condemned the co-opting of the yellow Star of David patch, which Jewish people were forced to wear during the era of Nazi Germany, by anti-vaccine protestors.

Speaking to the European Parliament in Brussels, Belgium, Friedlaender reminding people of the importance of remembering and honoring the victims of the mass genocide, Reuters reported.

"Incredulous, I had to watch at the age of 100 years, how symbols of our exclusion by the Nazis, such as the so-called 'Judenstern' [the German word for the yellow badges], are shamelessly used on the open street by the new enemies of democracy, to present themselves — whilst living in the middle of a democracy—as victims," she said, speaking on the 77th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland.

"Today, I see the memory of what happened being abused for political reasons, sometimes even derided and trampled all over," she added, per Reuters.

Friedlaender's mother and brother were both killed in Auschwitz, and Friedlaender herself survived a concentration camp in modern-day Czech Republic.
Reuters reported that the Israeli government published a report Thursday accusing anti-vaccine protesters of stoking global anti-Semitism.

There have been several reports of anti-vaxxers around the world using the yellow badges during protests, in an effort to compare COVID-19 public health regulations to Nazis singling out Jews for persecution."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Read the whole enchilada...here:

People that rely on calling others Nazis in political discourse simply lack the intelligence to articulate an argument imo. It is pretty childish and a perfect example of why I've pulled back from political discussions. When talking with someone and that's their goto they've lost the debate no matter what the other person said. It's the "white flag" often waved in a debate. Same goes for other "easy out" debate tactics like "racist or sexist"
It's as childish as the AOC nonsense where criticism=sexual frustration. Or the constant incel nonsense.

There is a difference between someone who's authoritarian and a Nazi.
 
I haven't heard any on the right demanding construction of concentration camps for the unvaccinated. But lots of liberals chant themselves to (deeper) sleep with that. They'd like the unjabbed to wear a symbol denying them normal rights. OK. how about they just sew on their own "I'm your superior" symbol?
Intimidated by the Prestige of Preppy Progressives

How is the Swastika more evil than the Hammer and Sickle?
 

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