The targets of anti-gunners..why aren't they black gang bangers?

[2aguy]

Kevin D. Willliamson points out why all the outrage in the gun debate is targeted at White, Christian Males....vs. the worst killers in the country, young, black males in democrat voting districts...

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

but part of it is that the Left is not culturally inclined to organize one of these pageants of exhibitionistic grief over the low-level criminal escapades of young black men in Chicago or Philadelphia.

For the same reason, almost all of the gun-control measures that excite our progressive friends — bans on so-called assault weapons, restrictions on gun shows — are aimed at the hobbies of middle-aged white guys, rural types, Second Amendment devotees who mistrust the federal government, etc.: the enemy, in other words.

These proposals have little or nothing to do with the vast majority of crime.

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The cultural role of the NRA is to be the fat white face that absorbs the Left’s hatred for the hunting, shooting, and gun-collecting demographics.

This has nothing to do with the NRA’s opposition to some kinds of gun control, a fact that can be readily appreciated by looking at the sort of thing gun-rights advocates generally do support in the way of gun control, which progressives either ignore or actively oppose.


Consider the history of “Project Exile,” an experimental program in which Virginia firearms offenders were shifted to federal court and prosecuted under the Gun Control Act of 1968, meaning a minimum of five years in the federal penitentiary for those convicted.


Who was in support of using the Gun Control Act to control gun crime?

The NRA, for one.

Who opposed it? The Congressional Black Caucus, civil-liberties groups, Families Against Mandatory Minimums, etc.

If you can figure out why that is, then you’ll know why our gun-control debate is mainly about punishing the law-abiding and ignoring violent criminals.

 

[2aguy]

And now he points out the actual reason we have gun crime in the country...focusing on how stupid Chicago is...

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.

-----Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime. One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.

Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.

A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.

The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.

But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.

The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Read more at: The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Read more at: The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

 

[August West]

The skin color doesn`t matter as long as people like you keep weapons easily accessible. So Kevin Williamson thinks we should be outlawing the sale of handguns too? God bless him.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Kevin D. Willliamson points out why all the outrage in the gun debate is targeted at White, Christian Males....vs. the worst killers in the country, young, black males in democrat voting districts...

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

but part of it is that the Left is not culturally inclined to organize one of these pageants of exhibitionistic grief over the low-level criminal escapades of young black men in Chicago or Philadelphia.

For the same reason, almost all of the gun-control measures that excite our progressive friends — bans on so-called assault weapons, restrictions on gun shows — are aimed at the hobbies of middle-aged white guys, rural types, Second Amendment devotees who mistrust the federal government, etc.: the enemy, in other words.

These proposals have little or nothing to do with the vast majority of crime.

--------------

The cultural role of the NRA is to be the fat white face that absorbs the Left’s hatred for the hunting, shooting, and gun-collecting demographics.

This has nothing to do with the NRA’s opposition to some kinds of gun control, a fact that can be readily appreciated by looking at the sort of thing gun-rights advocates generally do support in the way of gun control, which progressives either ignore or actively oppose.


Consider the history of “Project Exile,” an experimental program in which Virginia firearms offenders were shifted to federal court and prosecuted under the Gun Control Act of 1968, meaning a minimum of five years in the federal penitentiary for those convicted.


Who was in support of using the Gun Control Act to control gun crime?

The NRA, for one.

Who opposed it? The Congressional Black Caucus, civil-liberties groups, Families Against Mandatory Minimums, etc.

If you can figure out why that is, then you’ll know why our gun-control debate is mainly about punishing the law-abiding and ignoring violent criminals.

And now he points out the actual reason we have gun crime in the country...focusing on how stupid Chicago is...

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.

-----Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime. One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.

Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.

A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.

The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.

But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.

The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Read more at: The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Read more at: The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago is a city within the State of Illinois and if you have ever lived there you would know that Chicago is a world of it own while the rest of Illinois is more Conservative.

The sentencing part of the crime should be as stiff as it can be. If someone is caught with a illegal firearm and was a convicted criminal then they should face the maximum sentence with no parole.

The laws within the city does nothing to stop the violence within it because you can ride a train to Joliet and obtain your weapon of choice and get a ride back to Chicago, so the laws inside the city are worthless.

Now before you bust my balls on I am another Liberal wanting to ban guns, well no I am not. The reality is Assault Weapon Bans do little to curb violence, mass shootings or terrorist attacks and the State of Illinois should set it own laws as long as it does not infringe on the constitution.

So make the sentencing more stricter for offenders and let go from there.

 

[2aguy]

The skin color doesn`t matter as long as people like you keep weapons easily accessible. So Kevin Williamson thinks we should be outlawing the sale of handguns too? God bless him.

Yeah...reading comprehension is not compatible with being a left winger...I get that....why don't you have someone who isnt' a left wing nut job read it for you and explain it....

 

[2aguy]

Kevin D. Willliamson points out why all the outrage in the gun debate is targeted at White, Christian Males....vs. the worst killers in the country, young, black males in democrat voting districts...

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

but part of it is that the Left is not culturally inclined to organize one of these pageants of exhibitionistic grief over the low-level criminal escapades of young black men in Chicago or Philadelphia.

For the same reason, almost all of the gun-control measures that excite our progressive friends — bans on so-called assault weapons, restrictions on gun shows — are aimed at the hobbies of middle-aged white guys, rural types, Second Amendment devotees who mistrust the federal government, etc.: the enemy, in other words.

These proposals have little or nothing to do with the vast majority of crime.

--------------

The cultural role of the NRA is to be the fat white face that absorbs the Left’s hatred for the hunting, shooting, and gun-collecting demographics.

This has nothing to do with the NRA’s opposition to some kinds of gun control, a fact that can be readily appreciated by looking at the sort of thing gun-rights advocates generally do support in the way of gun control, which progressives either ignore or actively oppose.


Consider the history of “Project Exile,” an experimental program in which Virginia firearms offenders were shifted to federal court and prosecuted under the Gun Control Act of 1968, meaning a minimum of five years in the federal penitentiary for those convicted.


Who was in support of using the Gun Control Act to control gun crime?

The NRA, for one.

Who opposed it? The Congressional Black Caucus, civil-liberties groups, Families Against Mandatory Minimums, etc.

If you can figure out why that is, then you’ll know why our gun-control debate is mainly about punishing the law-abiding and ignoring violent criminals.

And now he points out the actual reason we have gun crime in the country...focusing on how stupid Chicago is...

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.

-----Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime. One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.

Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.

A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.

The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.

But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.

The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Read more at: The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Read more at: The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago is a city within the State of Illinois and if you have ever lived there you would know that Chicago is a world of it own while the rest of Illinois is more Conservative.

The sentencing part of the crime should be as stiff as it can be. If someone is caught with a illegal firearm and was a convicted criminal then they should face the maximum sentence with no parole.

The laws within the city does nothing to stop the violence within it because you can ride a train to Joliet and obtain your weapon of choice and get a ride back to Chicago, so the laws inside the city are worthless.

Now before you bust my balls on I am another Liberal wanting to ban guns, well no I am not. The reality is Assault Weapon Bans do little to curb violence, mass shootings or terrorist attacks and the State of Illinois should set it own laws as long as it does not infringe on the constitution.

So make the sentencing more stricter for offenders and let go from there.

Yes...the left always point to Japan....since they have a low gun murder rate....which is because of their culture, not their access to guns. However, their Yakuza.....every 10 years or so has a gang war. The bosses love money and don't like to do anything that stops the money flow...but, they are criminals and sociopaths so they do eventually start killing each other....and when they do...they use guns and grenades.....a lot of them.

So what did the Japanese do to crack down on criminals who easily got guns despite the laws.......they made the sentence for illegal gun use and possession.....30 years.

The press interviewed the Yakuza bosses....and the bosses told the reporters that in the past, going to jail on a gun crime for a few years was seen as a resume enhancer and would result in a boost for the gang member who got out of jail...the 30 year sentence was a game changer, it is a life sentence and now even the yakuza bosses won't look at guns......considering Japanese prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate......


Punish the actual criminals and gun violence stops......go after law abiding gun owners and the gun violence gets worse.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Its the Liberal elites perception that these "gangbangers" vote exclusively Democrat. I doubt many of them vote but Democrats are scared they will lose votes by telling the truth.