The sun is constant yet ocean temperatures increase and decrease. Why?

[abu afak]

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

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Exactly.
This is his latest ass-backwards concoction in his desperate and dishonest attempt to avoid acknowledging AGW. (EMH is 100% Committable/don't waste time replying to him. Ding's sociopathy is more subtle)
Our exchange two weeks ago:::

• Oct 5, 2024

If those links don't mention the planet warms up when the northern hemisphere deglaciates they aren't credible let alone highly credible.

Too good not to post again as Ding repeats his refuted claims hundreds/thousands of times.

1. You really are Too Stupid to debate.
2. And what "deglaciates the Northern Hemisphere"?
3. Magic?
Or would that be...
4a. The Earth tilts with the N Pole more towards the sun!
4b. the many times mentioned Milankovitch cycles enhance that which THEN have melted the 90% less volume arctic/N pole area.
5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....
6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.
7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.

8. Finally and obviously you [ding] are 40 IQ points too low to play with me.
You really should try and avoid me, not stalk me with your 8 word posts you deluded yourself into believing were trick questions, but just expose you as an ldiot.
Stay in the Religion section.
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[abu afak]

If solar output is constant during glacial and interglacial periods, why does the mean ocean temperature change by as much as 6C?

Man wasn't around back then.

Was the atmosphere responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C? If so, how did the atmosphere do it?

Were ocean currents responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C?? If so, how did ocean currents do it?

Solar output is fairly constant, but the earth's Orbit is Not.
It changes angles/tilt relative to the sun and those orbital changes (Milankovich cycles) in absorbtion are the CAUSE of peaks and troughs in he historical graphs of Ice ages and interglacials.
Ocean currents just an Effect.

Solar output is has been Constant in Our present very short SPIKE in Temp, BUT
It is far too fast for orbital motion to be the cause.
We know the cause is the explosion of human GHG emissions Trapping more of that sunlight that would otherwise be reflected back out into space.

Ocean Currents are a lagging Effect, Not the Cause.
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[abu afak]

AI Overview

Yes, the Northern Hemisphere warms faster than the Southern Hemisphere in part because it has more land and less ocean:

• Land heats up faster
  Land heats up more quickly than water, so the Northern Hemisphere heats up more easily during the summer.
  
  
• Ocean warms more slowly
  Oceans warm more slowly than land, so the Northern Hemisphere warms faster.
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[abu afak]

Nope. In fact it's in a cold Sun phase right now. And if it keeps up for another 10 years we are headed for another Maunder Minimum.

So why was 2023 the hottest year in recorded history, and probably since the last interglacial more than 100k years ago... and not just in ding's idiotic 'ocean warmed Northern Hemisphere', but Globally.
AGW.

Don't drop your false teeth in the toilet you demented turd.
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[westwall]

So why was 2023 the hottest year in recorded history, and probably since the last interglacial more than 100k years ago... and not just in ding's idiotic 'ocean warmed Northern Hemisphere', but Globally.
AGW.

Don't drop your false teeth in the toilet you demented turd.
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Because it's a lie. Your heroes took the raw data, and ran it through repeated computer models and voila, a cooling world magically becomes a hotter one.

It's all a big fraud.

 

[EMH]

CO2 in our atmosphere absorbed IR heat that the wart emits causing the Greenhouse effect which warms the earth. Are you seriously calling that into question?

What did the satellite and balloon data say before being FUDGED in 2005?? That's right, the ONLY DATA, the ACTUAL DATA, completely refutes that.


Is IR weak or strong along the EM spectrum???

All gasses absorb some part of EM. O3 absorbs powerful UV.

My side is science

You have never passed a serious science course, and you are not a person of science. You are a parrot of lies, fudge, and fraud.

 

[EMH]

the data that was skewed

No it wasn't, that's just the BS excuse to FUDGE the data, and your BEAKED BIRDBRAIN fell for it...


There is NO ACTUAL DATA to support your theory, JUST FUDGE.

 

[EMH]

What were the excuses used to FUDGE the atmospheric temp data.


Satellites - orbit wobble - laughable, wouldn't affect the IR data at all

Balloons - a "shade issue" that was constant the whole time. If true, that would require a CONSTANT added or subtracted to all data, which would keep a FLAT LINE a flat line, but somehow this CONSTANT issue resulted in a FUDGE JOB that changed a FLAT LINE into an upward slope.

IQ over 5 required not to fall for that BS...

 

[EMH]

It changes angles/tilt relative to the sun and those orbital changes (Milankovich cycles)

complete BULLSHIT with precisely NO DATA to support it.

Laughable when confronted by a person of science with an IQ over 5...

The lies of Milankovich Cycles aka McBullshit - where was land mass Antarctica 70 million years ago

McBullshit claims Antarctica has been on the South Pole forever, it never moved at all. And, while it is on the South Pole, it has rapidly gone from ice age to tropical paradise and back over and over.... a Dennis Quaid theory for sure... We know that Antarctica has 70 million year old...

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How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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[EMH]

There is NO empirical data to support the claim

Correct, it is all FUDGED FRAUD.

 

[EMH]

There is far better correlation between the warming that occurs

Document which "warming" you refer to....

Jurassic?

 

[EMH]

Volcanic eruptions cause temporary cooling

A massive release of heat from the center of the Earth causes cooling...

Par for the course of the Co2 FRAUD's nonsense.

All the people of Pompei died of freezing???

LOL!!!

 

[EMH]

what in the world are you talking about?! We know that CO2 absorbs and emits infrared heat that the earth emits contributing to the greenhouse effect that warms the earth. That’s basic earth science. Are you really refuting that?

Here's your first clue, moron. IR is really WEAK, and THAT is why it does NOTHING...

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah? So what. CO2 reached it's doubling point millions of parts ago. The only thing that shows warming post volcanic eruption are computer models.

There is NO empirical data to support the claim.

There is the basic scientific properties of how the molecules work in our atmosphere. We know that CO2 absorbs IR heat that is emitted from the earth and distributes that heat in several directions including back down to earth. The greenhouse effect. The greater the concentration of CO2 the more heat is absorbed and generated. It really isn’t that complicated or controversial scientifically speaking. Politically speaking we have this narrative that denies basic science which is absurd. We also have a narrative that’s spreading fear of doomsday which is overblown as well. As with most issues, the truth is in the middle

 

[Slade3200]

Because it's a lie. Your heroes took the raw data, and ran it through repeated computer models and voila, a cooling world magically becomes a hotter one.

It's all a big fraud.

Hahahaha, you’re dismissing the consensus of scientific organizations analysis of global temperature data, calling it a lie, a conspiracy, a fraud… because you know better…. How? Why?

Because of your political agenda?? Give me a break

 

[Slade3200]

What did the satellite and balloon data say before being FUDGED in 2005?? That's right, the ONLY DATA, the ACTUAL DATA, completely refutes that.


Is IR weak or strong along the EM spectrum???

All gasses absorb some part of EM. O3 absorbs powerful UV.

You’re comparing old thermometers that recorded higher temps because they were poorly insulated against sunlight vs newer thermometers with better insulation. The article YOU POSTED explained that. Why would you stand by inconsistent equipments data and not the analysis done to calculate more accurate numbers?

 

[Slade3200]

You have never passed a serious science course, and you are not a person of science. You are a parrot of lies, fudge, and fraud.

You know nothing about me so to definitively talk about me like you do know shows your arrogance and fake presentation methods when delivering opinions disgusted as facts. A weak and transparent tactic

 

[EMH]

because they were poorly insulated against sunlight

and that is a constant issue which is "corrected" by adding or subtracting a constant, which would keep a flat line a flat line, yet somehow that resulted in a flat line changing to an upward slope.

IQ over 5 required to see through that BS

 

[Slade3200]

A massive release of heat from the center of the Earth causes cooling...

Par for the course of the Co2 FRAUD's nonsense.

All the people of Pompei died of freezing???

LOL!!!

The heat is released into space and the ash which lingers in our atmosphere reflects the suns solar radiation preventing the earth from warming in its normal way. So yes the net effect is a short period of cooling. And a long term period of warming from the greenhouse effect

 

[EMH]

You know nothing about me so to definitively talk about me like you do know shows your arrogance and fake presentation methods when delivering opinions disgusted as facts. A weak and transparent tactic

Can you even answer basic climate questions??

NO!!!

1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?