The sun is constant yet ocean temperatures increase and decrease. Why?

[EMH]

So in other words another dumb red herring of yours like hurricanes are used to measure the ocean's temperature.

You cannot even answer one of the key variables of Vlostok ice cores. Dirty data. Vlostok "temperature chart" is 100% pure trash.

 

[ding]

You cannot even answer one of the key variables of Vlostok ice cores. Dirty data. Vlostok "temperature chart" is 100% pure trash.

Says the guy who can't provide a link that says oxygen isotopes aren't good proxies for temperatures.

 

[Slade3200]

FUDGED DATA is not science, moron.

Fudged because you say so?! Haha. Got any proof? Didn’t think so

 

[Slade3200]

Class A science invalid, you are, beak and birdbrain....


What was the Co2 FRAUD saying about this subject before???

You said nothing of substance to provide a counter argument. As for you question I have no clue what you mean by CO2 fraud,

 

[EMH]

Says the guy who can't provide a link that says oxygen isotopes aren't good proxies for temperatures.

Don't need one, the volcano explanation is 100% spot on and you cannot refute it.

 

[EMH]

Fudged because you say so?! Haha. Got any proof? Didn’t think so

Your side has a THEORY, that adding Co2 to the atmosphere causes "warming" in the atmosphere.

We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps, satellites and balloons...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling


Translation from NBC - for more than three decades of rising atmospheric Co2, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed precisely NO WARMING in the atmosphere, until being FUDGED in 2005 with laughable BS...



Theory = Co2 causes warming

Data = NOPE

Science = THEORY REJECTED

"the science" = FUDGE THE DATA and claim "warming" that DOES NOT EXIST

 

[westwall]

The power of the Sun at the Earth, per square metre is called the solar constant and is approximately 1370 watts per square metre (W/m2). The variation in the solar constant has been about 0.1% over a period of about 30 years.

Mean ocean temperature during the last four glacial cycles have changed by as much as 6C.

If solar output is constant during glacial and interglacial periods, why does the mean ocean temperature change by as much as 6C?

Man wasn't around back then.

Was the atmosphere responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C? If so, how did the atmosphere do it?

Were ocean currents responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C?? If so, how did ocean currents do it?

The Sun isn't constant

 

[westwall]

Don't need one, the volcano explanation is 100% spot on and you cannot refute it.

No, it isn't. It doesn't even correlate well. Not that correlation means causation anyway.

 

[EMH]

No, it isn't. It doesn't even correlate well. Not that correlation means causation anyway.

Document the oxygen isotope ratio from volcano eruptions on the Antarctic Peninsula.... or admit you got nothing...

 

[EMH]

The Sun isn't constant

For the past 10 million and the next 10 million years, yes it is.

 

[westwall]

Document the oxygen isotope ratio from volcano eruptions on the Antarctic Peninsula.... or admit you got nothing...

It doesn't matter. There is far better correlation between the warming that occurs, from causes still unknown, and the CO2 increase that occurs hundreds of years later.

Volcanic eruptions do cause cooling. There's no doubt about that. We have copious evidence for that.

But not for warming.

 

[westwall]

For the past 10 million and the next 10 million years, yes it is.

Nope. In fact it's in a cold Sun phase right now. And if it keeps up for another 10 years we are headed for another Maunder Minimum.

 

[EMH]

It doesn't matter.

How would it "not matter" if it is in the ice cores.... then IT WOULD MATTER and OBFUSCATE the DATA....

Those spikes down in Vlostok temp chart, what caused those??

 

[EMH]

Nope. In fact it's in a cold Sun phase right now. And if it keeps up for another 10 years we are headed for another Maunder Minimum.

Did you ever figure out what instruments were being used in 1800 to detect Sun spots??

Of course not, since there were none, and here you are citing something that could not possibly have been detected in the first place... a laughable example of your "credibility."

 

[Slade3200]

Your side has a THEORY, that adding Co2 to the atmosphere causes "warming" in the atmosphere.

That’s not a theory, that’s a fact. CO2 in our atmosphere absorbed IR heat that the wart emits causing the Greenhouse effect which warms the earth. Are you seriously calling that into question?

My side is science, BTW. I don’t care enough about politics to let that skew scientific thinking

 

[Slade3200]

Your side has a THEORY, that adding Co2 to the atmosphere causes "warming" in the atmosphere.

We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps, satellites and balloons...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling


Translation from NBC - for more than three decades of rising atmospheric Co2, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed precisely NO WARMING in the atmosphere, until being FUDGED in 2005 with laughable BS...



Theory = Co2 causes warming

Data = NOPE

Science = THEORY REJECTED

"the science" = FUDGE THE DATA and claim "warming" that DOES NOT EXIST

Did you even read the article you linked?

Here is the first paragraph which proves my point, not yours… the data that was skewed was that being used by Global warming deniers like yourself….

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For years, skeptics of global warming have used satellite and weather balloon data to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening.

Now, according to three new studies published in the journal Science, it turns out those conclusions based on satellite and weather balloon data were based on faulty analyses.

 

[Slade3200]

Volcanic eruptions do cause cooling. There's no doubt about that. We have copious evidence for that.

But not for warming.

Volcanic eruptions cause temporary cooling… can last from a few months to a few years depending on the size of the eruption. But they also increase greenhouse gases in our atmosphere and contribute to long term warming though not in a terribly significant way

 

[westwall]

Volcanic eruptions cause temporary cooling… can last from a few months to a few years depending on the size of the eruption. But they also increase greenhouse gases in our atmosphere and contribute to long term warming though not in a terribly significant way

Which to date there is zero empirical evidence to support that claim.

 

[Slade3200]

Which to date there is zero empirical evidence to support that claim.

what in the world are you talking about?! We know that CO2 absorbs and emits infrared heat that the earth emits contributing to the greenhouse effect that warms the earth. That’s basic earth science. Are you really refuting that?

 

[westwall]

what in the world are you talking about?! We know that CO2 absorbs and emits infrared heat that the earth emits contributing to the greenhouse effect that warms the earth. That’s basic earth science. Are you really refuting that?

Yeah? So what. CO2 reached it's doubling point millions of parts ago. The only thing that shows warming post volcanic eruption are computer models.

There is NO empirical data to support the claim.