The sun is constant yet ocean temperatures increase and decrease. Why?

[abu afak]

Exactly. Sun is constant, but the/Our ever denser concentration of CO2/GHGs are trapping the otherwise outgoing heat/radiation. That's why they're called "Greenhouse Gases."​

Exxon figured it/AGW out 40 years ago!​

Exxon scientists predicted global warming with 'shocking skill ...​

Harvard Gazette

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Jan 12, 2023 — Research shows that company modeled and predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy' starting in the 1970s. Projections created ...



Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago​

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago
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Oct 26, 2015 — A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote ...

Exxon Scientists Predicted Global Warming, Even as ...​

The New York Times
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Jan 12, 2023 — Global warming projections made or recorded by ExxonMobil scientists between 1977 and 2003 closely tracked with observed temperature increases.

Exxon's Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels' Role in ...​

Inside Climate News
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May 2, 2024 — David, the head of Exxon Research, told a global warming conference financed by Exxon in October 1982 that “few people doubt that the world ...

Assessing ExxonMobil's global warming projections​

Science | AAAS
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by G Supran · 2023 · Cited by 152 — Accurate and skillful climate modeling. Overall, ExxonMobil's global warming projections closely track subsequent observed temperature increases ...

Exxon climate predictions were accurate decades ago. Still ...​

NPR
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Jan 12, 2023 — Exxon's climate research decades back painted an accurate picture of global warming, according to a new scientific paper.

Revealed: Exxon made 'breathtakingly' accurate climate ...​

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Jan 12, 2023 — The oil giant Exxon privately “predicted global warming correctly and skilfully” only to then spend decades publicly rubbishing such science ...

Exxon's Own Models Predicted Global Warming​

Scientific American
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Jan 13, 2023 — Exxon's Own Models Predicted Global Warming—It Ignored Them. Scientists working for the oil giant Exxon in the 1970s and 1980s estimated ...

Exxon predicted global warming with remarkable accuracy​

CNBC
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[HaShev]

Maybe your chosen ass can answer a few basic climate questions for us....


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?

Selective recognition and reporting is why Climate alarmists con people into claims ice is melting which it can in areas, but dare not speak of the ice accumulation on other sides of the Antarctic. They can selectively use weather patterns like anomalies that sometimes occur during solar storms on the sun, but ignore reporting the snow we had in the summer or early fall.
=Selective recognition and use to make their points.

 

[ding]

Laughable. You cannot refute 600 miles to the pole. Ocean currents do not change Earth heat content.

Greenland froze while North America thawed, and that refutes everything you post.

I can refute it because that's a horrible description of thermal isolation of the polar regions and a horrible explanation why the polar regions developed an ice cap. Maybe study the oxygen isotope curve and work from that. It's even annotated so an ignoramus can figure it out. Read the annotations dummy. Pay particular attention to the annotations on ice sheets.

 

[EMH]

Selective recognition and reporting is why Climate alarmists con people into claims ice is melting which it can in areas, but dare not speak of the ice accumulation on other sides of the Antarctic. They can selectively use weather patterns like anomalies that sometimes occur during solar storms on the sun, but ignore reporting the snow we had in the summer or early fall.
=Selective recognition and use to make their points.

Well said.

Have a quick browse at real climate truth... just the OPs will do.

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

What is an ICE AGE? Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[ding]

Well said.

Have a quick browse at real climate truth... just the OPs will do.

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

What is an ICE AGE? Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice...

www.usmessageboard.com

The oxygen isotope curve existed before CO2 fraud. And that data shows that when the northern hemisphere is deglaciating the oceans and the atmosphere warm like they are today. There's no need to deny today's warming because today's warming is quite natural.

And by the way... HaShev is Jewish. Why don't you tell him about your conspiracy that Jews are behind CO2 fraud.

 

[HaShev]

The oxygen isotope curve existed before CO2 fraud. And that data shows that when the northern hemisphere is deglaciating the oceans and the atmosphere warm like they are today. There's no need to deny today's warming because today's warming is quite natural.

And by the way... HaShev is Jewish. Why don't you tell him about your conspiracy that Jews are behind CO2 fraud.

damn dude, I wouldn't last 2 days in Poland with you pointing me out to the Nazis.

 

[EMH]

@HaShev is Jewish.

Truly brilliant.... what clued you in...

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[EMH]

damn dude, I wouldn't last 2 days in Poland with you pointing me out to the Nazis.

Apparently noticing Hansen and Mann and most other "climate scientists" are Jewish is a big no no....


My heroes include Einstein and Paul Craig Roberts, as well as Milton Friedman....

 

[ding]

Truly brilliant.... what clued you in...

Your anti-semitism.

 

[EMH]

There is no evidence of ocean warming on Earth. If oceans were warming, canes would be increasing, and they aren't.

 

[ding]

There is no evidence of ocean warming on Earth. If oceans were warming, canes would be increasing, and they aren't.

Tons of evidence.

There is a lot of evidence that the ocean is warming, including:

• Heat storage: The ocean is storing about 91% of the excess heat energy trapped in the Earth's climate system by greenhouse gases.
  
  
  
• Sea level rise: The ocean's warming is causing thermal expansion, which contributes to sea level rise.
  
  
  
• Marine heat waves: The number of marine heat days has increased by over 50% since 1925.
  
  
  
• Coral bleaching: Warming oceans are bleaching coral reefs.
  
  
  
• Melting ice: The melting of glaciers and ice sheets around Greenland and Antarctica is contributing to sea level rise.
  
  
  
• Arctic sea ice decline: The extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.
  
  
  
• Ocean temperature increase: The global sea surface temperature (SST) increased by 0.11 °C (0.19 °F) between 1950 and 2020.
  
  
  
• Impacts on marine life: Warming oceans are driving marine life toward the poles and causing severe impacts on fisheries and aquacultures.

 

[Slade3200]

The power of the Sun at the Earth, per square metre is called the solar constant and is approximately 1370 watts per square metre (W/m2). The variation in the solar constant has been about 0.1% over a period of about 30 years.

Mean ocean temperature during the last four glacial cycles have changed by as much as 6C.

If solar output is constant during glacial and interglacial periods, why does the mean ocean temperature change by as much as 6C?

Man wasn't around back then.

Was the atmosphere responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C? If so, how did the atmosphere do it?

Were ocean currents responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C?? If so, how did ocean currents do it?

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

 

[Slade3200]

There is no evidence of ocean warming on Earth. If oceans were warming, canes would be increasing, and they aren't.

What in the world are you talking about?! Have you even tried reading actual science or are you stuck in the conspiracy black hole

 

[abu afak]

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

Exactly.
This is his latest ass-backwards concoction in his desperate and dishonest attempt to avoid acknowledging AGW. (EMH is 100% Committable/don't waste time replying to him. Ding's sociopathy is more subtle)
Our exchange two weeks ago:::

• Oct 5, 2024

If those links don't mention the planet warms up when the northern hemisphere deglaciates they aren't credible let alone highly credible.

Too good not to post again as Ding repeats his refuted claims hundreds/thousands of times.

1. You really are Too Stupid to debate.
2. And what "deglaciates the Northern Hemisphere"?
3. Magic?
Or would that be...
4a. The Earth tilts with the N Pole more towards the sun!
4b. the many times mentioned Milankovitch cycles enhance that which THEN have melted the 90% less volume arctic/N pole area.
5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....
6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.
7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.

8. Finally and obviously you [ding] are 40 IQ points too low to play with me.
You really should try and avoid me, not stalk me with your 8 word posts you deluded yourself into believing were trick questions, but just expose you as an ldiot.
Stay in the Religion section.
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[ding]

Exactly.
This is his latest ass-backwards concoction in his desperate and dishonest attempt to avoid acknowledging AGW. (EMH is 100% Committable/don't waste time replying to him. Ding's sociopathy is more subtle)
Our exchange two weeks ago:::

• Oct 5, 2024

Too good not to post again as Ding repeats his refuted claims hundreds/thousands of times.

1. You really are Too Stupid to debate.
2. And what "deglaciates the Northern Hemisphere"?
3. Magic?
Or would that be...
4a. The Earth tilts with the N Pole more towards the sun!
4b. the many times mentioned Milankovitch cycles enhance that which THEN have melted the 90% less volume arctic/N pole area.
5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....
6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.
7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.

8. Finally and obviously you [ding] are 40 IQ points too low to play with me.
You really should try and avoid me, not stalk me with your 8 word posts you deluded yourself into believing were trick questions, but just expose you as an ldiot.
Stay in the Religion section.
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You can't even write a coherent paragraph. The Dunning effect is strong in you.

Let's have a debate in the Bull Ring. Ok?

 

[ding]

Too good not to post again as Ding repeats his refuted claims hundreds/thousands of times.

You won't find any credible expert who will dispute the fact that when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the oceans and atmosphere warm. There's 3 million years of empirical climate evidence that backs this up.

 

[ding]

And what "deglaciates the Northern Hemisphere"?

Thermohaline circulation

 

[ding]

the many times mentioned Milankovitch cycles enhance that which THEN have melted the 90% less volume arctic/N pole area.

If orbital forcing plays such a big role in climate change then why isn't it included in the IPCC's radiative forcing components of the earth's energy balance?

 

[ding]

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

If orbital forcing plays such a big role in climate change then why isn't it included in the IPCC's radiative forcing components of the earth's energy balance?

 

[ding]

Another NO CONTENT/NO REBUTTAL 'Reply' to either me or Slade 3200.
You're a Low IQ Fraud.
A knowing Dishonest Fraud. who again is caught and cooked.

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I was replying to your comment that my IQ was 40 points too low for you to play with me. I think you got that backwards. How about we take this to the Bull Ring?