The sun is constant yet ocean temperatures increase and decrease. Why?

[abu afak]

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

Exactly.
This is his latest ass-backwards concoction in his desperate and dishonest attempt to avoid acknowledging AGW. (EMH is 100% Committable/don't waste time replying to him. Ding's sociopathy is more subtle)
Our exchange two weeks ago:::

• Oct 5, 2024

If those links don't mention the planet warms up when the northern hemisphere deglaciates they aren't credible let alone highly credible.

Too good not to post again as Ding repeats his refuted claims hundreds/thousands of times.

1. You really are Too Stupid to debate.
2. And what "deglaciates the Northern Hemisphere"?
3. Magic?
Or would that be...
4a. The Earth tilts with the N Pole more towards the sun!
4b. the many times mentioned Milankovitch cycles enhance that which THEN have melted the 90% less volume arctic/N pole area.
5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....
6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.
7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.

8. Finally and obviously you [ding] are 40 IQ points too low to play with me.
You really should try and avoid me, not stalk me with your 8 word posts you deluded yourself into believing were trick questions, but just expose you as an ldiot.
Stay in the Religion section.
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[ding]

Exactly.
This is his latest ass-backwards concoction in his desperate and dishonest attempt to avoid acknowledging AGW. (EMH is 100% Committable/don't waste time replying to him. Ding's sociopathy is more subtle)
Our exchange two weeks ago:::

• Oct 5, 2024

Too good not to post again as Ding repeats his refuted claims hundreds/thousands of times.

1. You really are Too Stupid to debate.
2. And what "deglaciates the Northern Hemisphere"?
3. Magic?
Or would that be...
4a. The Earth tilts with the N Pole more towards the sun!
4b. the many times mentioned Milankovitch cycles enhance that which THEN have melted the 90% less volume arctic/N pole area.
5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....
6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.
7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.

8. Finally and obviously you [ding] are 40 IQ points too low to play with me.
You really should try and avoid me, not stalk me with your 8 word posts you deluded yourself into believing were trick questions, but just expose you as an ldiot.
Stay in the Religion section.
- - - - -
`

The IPCC doesn't even account for orbital forcing in their energy balance.

 

[abu afak]

You can't even write a coherent paragraph. The Dunning effect is strong on you.

Let's have a debate in the Bull Ring. Ok?

Another NO CONTENT/NO REBUTTAL 'Reply' to either me or Slade 3200.
Ding is a Low IQ Fraud.
A knowing Dishonest Fraud. who again was caught and cooked.
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[ding]

Another NO CONTENT/NO REBUTTAL 'Reply' to either me or Slade 3200.
Ding is a Low IQ Fraud.
A knowing Dishonest Fraud. who again was caught and cooked.
`

You already posted this and then when I replied to it, you deleted it and reposted it again.

 

[ding]

Another NO CONTENT/NO REBUTTAL 'Reply' to either me or Slade 3200.
Ding is a Low IQ Fraud.
A knowing Dishonest Fraud. who again was caught and cooked.
`

Thermohaline circulation is responsible for the northern hemisphere deglaciating.
Orbital forcing isn't even accounted for in the IPCC's energy balance of radiative forcing components.

 

[justoffal]

The power of the Sun at the Earth, per square metre is called the solar constant and is approximately 1370 watts per square metre (W/m2). The variation in the solar constant has been about 0.1% over a period of about 30 years.

Mean ocean temperature during the last four glacial cycles have changed by as much as 6C.

If solar output is constant during glacial and interglacial periods, why does the mean ocean temperature change by as much as 6C?

Man wasn't around back then.

Was the atmosphere responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C? If so, how did the atmosphere do it?

Were ocean currents responsible for the ocean warming and cooling by 4C to 6C?? If so, how did ocean currents do it?

I believe that solar energy is increasing in ways we can't measure.

 

[ding]

abu afak

Fake news? No. Fact.

Yes, thermohaline circulation (THC) warms the Arctic by supplying heat to the polar regions and influencing the amount of sea ice:

• Heat supply
  THC carries heat to the polar regions, which affects the rate at which sea ice forms.
  
  
  
• Sea ice formation
  Sea ice is mainly formed from water that is non- to slightly saline.
  
  
  
• Climate system
  The rate of sea ice formation affects other aspects of the climate system, such as the albedo and solar heating.
  
  
  
• Ocean conveyor belt
  THC is also known as the global oceanic conveyor belt, which is a cycle of rising and sinking water that moves water between the surface and deep ocean.
  

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is the part of THC that heats Northern Europe, making the British Isles about 5°C warmer. However, as the ocean warms and the Arctic Ocean, Arctic glaciers, and the Greenland Ice Sheet melt, the AMOC is projected to slow down. This could have a large effect on the global climate, potentially cooling the Northern Hemisphere.

 

[abu afak]

Thermohaline circulation is responsible for the northern hemisphere deglaciating.
Orbital forcing isn't even accounted for in the IPCC's energy balance of radiative forcing components.

IPCC is dealing with my previously conditioned "This Time" which is cause by AGW.

5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....​

6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.​

7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.​

You perverted what I said, and in fact what IPCC said/says.
Current warming is Caused by AGW.

You Lose.

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[ding]

IPCC is dealing with my previously conditioned "This Time" which is cause by AGW.

5. So Of course even if true, it was an effect, Not the cause....​

6. And ergo It sheds no light on the current cause (either way) Co2/GHGs causing THIS instance.​

7. So the claim is a Giant non sequitur and blind stupidity.​

You perverted what I said, and in fact what IPCC said/says.
Current warming is Caused by AGW.

You Lose.

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Thermohaline circulation (THC) warms the Arctic by supplying heat to the polar regions and influencing the amount of sea ice. The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is the part of THC that heats Northern Europe, making the British Isles about 5°C warmer. However, as the ocean warms and the Arctic Ocean, Arctic glaciers, and the Greenland Ice Sheet melt, the AMOC is projected to slow down. This has a large effect on the global climate, cooling the Northern Hemisphere. When heat is circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic the Arctic deglaciates.

• Heat supply
  THC carries heat to the polar regions, which affects the rate at which sea ice forms.
  
  
• Sea ice formation
  Sea ice is mainly formed from water that is non- to slightly saline.
  
  
• Climate system
  The rate of sea ice formation affects other aspects of the climate system, such as the albedo and solar heating.
  
  
• Ocean conveyor belt
  THC is also known as the global oceanic conveyor belt, which is a cycle of rising and sinking water that moves water between the surface and deep ocean.

 

[justoffal]

abu afak

Fake news? No. Fact.

Yes, thermohaline circulation (THC) warms the Arctic by supplying heat to the polar regions and influencing the amount of sea ice:

• Heat supply
  THC carries heat to the polar regions, which affects the rate at which sea ice forms.
  
  
  
• Sea ice formation
  Sea ice is mainly formed from water that is non- to slightly saline.
  
  
  
• Climate system
  The rate of sea ice formation affects other aspects of the climate system, such as the albedo and solar heating.
  
  
  
• Ocean conveyor belt
  THC is also known as the global oceanic conveyor belt, which is a cycle of rising and sinking water that moves water between the surface and deep ocean.

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is the part of THC that heats Northern Europe, making the British Isles about 5°C warmer. However, as the ocean warms and the Arctic Ocean, Arctic glaciers, and the Greenland Ice Sheet melt, the AMOC is projected to slow down. This could have a large effect on the global climate, potentially cooling the Northern Hemisphere.

Yep....as I was saying.

Also....the earth is doomed ultimately.
The Sun does get ever so slightly brighter each day.

 

[ding]

Yep....as I was saying.

Also....the earth is doomed ultimately.
The Sun does get ever so slightly brighter each day.

Before the sun gets us the earth's core will go cold and our magnetic field won't protect us from solar radiation, cosmic particles and solar wind.

 

[justoffal]

Before the sun gets us the earth's core will go cold and our magnetic field won't protect us from solar radiation, cosmic particles and solar wind.

There ya go....
We have time but it's not forever...
The second law.....it doesn't give a shit about renewables.

 

[ding]

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

Do you know where the majority of earth's heat is stored? Do you believe it is the atmosphere or the ocean? What do you believe is the world's largest collector of solar energy? The Ocean? Or the atmosphere? Do you understand that the surface of the earth is not heated evenly? Do you know why? Do you know what must happen because the earth is not heated evenly? Do you understand that the polar regions are the most critical location on the planet for climate? Do you understand why? Do you know that each pole has a different threshold for extensive continental glaciation? Do you know why? Do you understand why for the past 3 million years the planet has cycled between long periods of frigid temperatures with brief periods of warm temperatures?


Do you think these are fair questions? Do you think these are important questions?

 

[Slade3200]

Do you know where the majority of earth's heat is stored? Do you believe it is the atmosphere or the ocean? What do you believe is the world's largest collector of solar energy? The Ocean? Or the atmosphere? Do you understand that the surface of the earth is not heated evenly? Do you know why? Do you know what must happen because the earth is not heated evenly? Do you understand that the polar regions are the most critical location on the planet for climate? Do you understand why? Do you know that each pole has a different threshold for extensive continental glaciation? Do you know why? Do you understand why for the past 3 million years the planet has cycled between long periods of frigid temperatures with brief periods of warm temperatures?


Do you think these are fair questions? Do you think these are important questions?

Those questions and topics are very important to understand. Not very conducive to a discussion forum rapid firing them out like that. I like to keep a question or two within a single post so we can stay on point. I’m guessing you were trying to make a larger point instead of seek answers so I wont go through those questions at this time. I do have an understanding of what you’re addressing if there is something specific you’d like to dig into

 

[ding]

Those questions and topics are very important to understand. Not very conducive to a discussion forum rapid firing them out like that. I like to keep a question or two within a single post so we can stay on point. I’m guessing you were trying to make a larger point instead of seek answers so I wont go through those questions at this time. I do have an understanding of what you’re addressing if there is something specific you’d like to dig into

These questions are extremely conducive to arriving at truth because they are important concepts for understanding climate. So if you want to arrive at the truth about the planet's climate, I suggest you not dismiss them like you seem to be trying to do.

 

[ding]

Can you believe Apu fake newsed questions?

 

[Slade3200]

These questions are extremely conducive to arriving at truth because they are important concepts for understanding climate. So if you want to arrive at the truth about the planet's climate, I suggest you not dismiss them like you seem to be trying to do.

Im not dismissing anything, just looking for a focus. You just rattled off a dozen questions in a way that seems like you were just trying to make a point.... The ocean is the largest absorber and emitter of solar radiation. I think that pertained to the foundation of your questioning. Short wave radiation from the sun is absorbed by the earth and mostly by our oceans and then is emitted as long wave Infrared heat which gets absorbed and reflected by our atmosphere... Thats the green house effect. Basically speaking. The transfer of heat in our oceans cause currents and storm systems etc etc etc. Which element would you like to hone in on and what's the larger point you want to make with this OP because it seems to have evolved a bit since inception.

 

[ding]

Im not dismissing anything, just looking for a focus. You just rattled off a dozen questions in a way that seems like you were just trying to make a point.... The ocean is the largest absorber and emitter of solar radiation. I think that pertained to the foundation of your questioning. Short wave radiation from the sun is absorbed by the earth and mostly by our oceans and then is emitted as long wave Infrared heat which gets absorbed and reflected by our atmosphere... Thats the green house effect. Basically speaking. The transfer of heat in our oceans cause currents and storm systems etc etc etc. Which element would you like to hone in on and what's the larger point you want to make with this OP because it seems to have evolved a bit since inception.

The heat distribution of the ocean - which must occur because the surface of the planet is not heated evenly - affects the climate of the entire planet. It's what is driving the planet's climate. The atmosphere does not heat the ocean. The ocean heats the atmosphere in the regions which receive the least amount of sunlight (polar regions). And since these regions are thermally isolated - by some degree - from warm marine currents, they are the most sensitive to glaciation and deglaciation when circulation of heat changes.

 

[Slade3200]

The heat distribution of the ocean - which must occur because the surface of the planet is not heated evenly - affects the climate of the entire planet. It's what is driving the planet's climate. The atmosphere does not heat the ocean. The ocean heats the atmosphere in the regions which receive the least amount of sunlight (polar regions). And since these regions are thermally isolated - by some degree - from warm marine currents, they are the most sensitive to glaciation and deglaciation when circulation of heat changes.

Agreed, I believe that’s an elaboration of what I said in my post, right?

 

[ding]

Im not dismissing anything, just looking for a focus. You just rattled off a dozen questions in a way that seems like you were just trying to make a point.... The ocean is the largest absorber and emitter of solar radiation. I think that pertained to the foundation of your questioning. Short wave radiation from the sun is absorbed by the earth and mostly by our oceans and then is emitted as long wave Infrared heat which gets absorbed and reflected by our atmosphere... Thats the green house effect. Basically speaking. The transfer of heat in our oceans cause currents and storm systems etc etc etc. Which element would you like to hone in on and what's the larger point you want to make with this OP because it seems to have evolved a bit since inception.

You believe that orbital forcing affects the climate of the planet, right? For much the same reason, heat changes in polar regions, right?

Why isn't orbital forcing included in the radiative forcing components of the IPCC reports if they are such large climate drivers that can cause glaciation and deglaciation in the polar regions?