The sun is constant yet ocean temperatures increase and decrease. Why?

[HaShev]

The suns output may be constant but the Earths rotation around it isn’t. The changes in the earths orbit affect the amount of solar energy absorbed by the sun… our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate. These factors all effect ocean currents and the formation of glaciers which effect ocean temperatures

and actually the sun does add to somes anomalies, like a few times we had spikes it correlated to severe solar storms.

 

[EMH]

The changes in the earths orbit

WHEN did Earth's orbit last change?

our atmosphere and earths surface also effect weather and climate

More precisely, Earth climate change expands/contracts the atmosphere, and Earth climate change is about land moving near the poles, which is what dictates how much ice Earth has at any given time. The atmosphere amplifies the climate change, but does not cause it. When Earth has little to no land near the poles, as was the case during Jurassic, we have an Earth that is


WARMER, WETTER, and with much higher SURFACE AIR PRESSURE.

 

[EMH]

CO2 is NOT a key greenhouse gas. It is an extremely minor players, as are the others because their concentration levels in the atmosphere are so miniscule.

Water vapor, on the other hand, IS the dominant GHG in the atmosphere.

Greenland froze while North America thawed.

Atmosphere and Sun eliminated as suspects....

 

[EMH]

Have you even tried reading actual science

What your beaked birdbrain "reads" is completely discredited by the actual data. That requires an IQ over 5 to notice, which you lack...

 

[Slade3200]

So LAND NEAR THE POLES is what determines Earth ICE content.

We agree.

So if LAND MOVES and EARTH ICE CONTENT is about LAND NEAR THE POLES and NOT Co2 or BOGUS GREENHOUSE GAS GLOBALONEY, how does Earth's climate actually change...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

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Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

What is an ICE AGE? Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice...

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land within 600 miles to the pole, or ocean currents, which causes "glaciation?"

This specific issue has derailed many other threads because my opponent is a factless spazzed out "faux skeptic" funded by the Co2 FRAUD and obsessed with shouting down the truth. ALL LAND within 600 miles of an Earth pole is IN ICE AGE. What happens when land moves within approximately 600...

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It’s not just one thing that drives climate change. It’s an entire ecosystem. Ocean currents, ice sheets, tectonic activity, the composition of the atmosphere etc… all plays a part

 

[Slade3200]

LOL!!!

There are TWO and ONLY TWO measures of atmospheric temps, sorry...

We weren’t talking about the number of measures for atm temp. Are you just gonna make stuff up now?

 

[Slade3200]

I understand and explain it perfectly. They fudged the fudge job. Their excuse for fudging does not correlate with their own fudge job to "correct."

Show your work if youre so confident in it

 

[Slade3200]

And every syllable in that is completely blown out of the water by the truth that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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Uhhh no it isn’t. I already provided a detailed explanation for that which you ignored. Now are we going in circles? Is that what you do when you’re losing a debate?

 

[Slade3200]

CO2 is NOT a key greenhouse gas. It is an extremely minor players, as are the others because their concentration levels in the atmosphere are so miniscule.

Water vapor, on the other hand, IS the dominant GHG in the atmosphere.

The most important greenhouse gases (GHGs) in the Earth's atmosphere, which contribute to the greenhouse effect and global warming, include:

### 1. Water Vapor (H₂O)
- Role: Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas and plays a crucial role in the natural greenhouse effect. It can absorb a wide range of infrared radiation, significantly contributing to warming.
- Feedback Mechanism: Water vapor acts as a feedback mechanism rather than a direct driver of climate change. As the atmosphere warms due to other greenhouse gases, it can hold more water vapor, which in turn amplifies warming.

### 2. Carbon Dioxide (CO₂)
- Role: CO₂ is the second most significant greenhouse gas and is primarily responsible for the anthropogenic (human-caused) increase in greenhouse gas concentrations. It is released through fossil fuel combustion, deforestation, and various industrial processes.
- Impact: While less effective at trapping heat than water vapor, CO₂'s long atmospheric lifetime (hundreds to thousands of years) means it significantly influences long-term climate change.

### 3. Methane (CH₄)
- Role: Methane is a potent greenhouse gas that is over 25 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere than CO₂ over a 100-year period, although it is present in much lower concentrations.
- Sources: Methane is emitted during the production and transport of coal, oil, and natural gas. It is also released by livestock during digestion (enteric fermentation), by landfills, and from wetlands.

### 4. Nitrous Oxide (N₂O)
- Role: Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that is about 298 times more effective at trapping heat than CO₂ over a 100-year period. Although it is present in smaller amounts, it has a significant warming potential.
- Sources: It is released from agricultural and industrial activities, as well as during fossil fuel combustion and biomass burning.

### 5. Ozone (O₃)
- Role: Ozone is a greenhouse gas that occurs naturally in the stratosphere, where it protects life on Earth from harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation. However, ozone in the troposphere (the lower atmosphere) acts as a greenhouse gas and is a pollutant.
- Formation: Tropospheric ozone is formed from chemical reactions between volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the presence of sunlight.

### 6. Fluorinated Gases
- Role: This group includes synthetic gases such as hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF₆). These gases are potent greenhouse gases with high global warming potentials, but they are typically present in much lower concentrations than CO₂, methane, or nitrous oxide.
- Sources: They are used in various industrial applications, refrigeration, and air conditioning.

### Summary
While water vapor is the most abundant and has the largest impact on the greenhouse effect, CO₂, methane, and nitrous oxide are the most significant anthropogenic greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change. Each of these gases plays a unique role in the overall climate system, and their interactions and concentrations are critical for understanding and addressing climate change.

 

[Slade3200]

WHEN did Earth's orbit last change?

The Earth's orbit affects climate through a set of natural cycles known as Milankovitch cycles, which are named after the Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovitch, who studied these phenomena in the early 20th century. These cycles influence the distribution and intensity of solar radiation received by the Earth, which in turn affects climate patterns over long timescales. The three primary components of the Milankovitch cycles are:

### 1. Eccentricity

• Definition: Eccentricity refers to the shape of Earth's orbit around the Sun, which varies from more circular to more elliptical (oval) over a cycle of about 100,000 years.
• Effects on Climate: When the Earth's orbit is more elliptical, there can be greater variations in the distance from the Sun during different parts of the year, leading to more significant differences in solar radiation received. This can affect the intensity of seasons, with warmer summers and cooler winters during certain periods.

### 2. Axial Tilt (Obliquity)

• Definition: The axial tilt of the Earth is the angle between the Earth's rotational axis and its orbital plane, which varies between about 22.1 degrees and 24.5 degrees over a cycle of approximately 41,000 years.
• Effects on Climate: A greater axial tilt results in more extreme seasons—hotter summers and colder winters—while a smaller tilt leads to milder seasons. Changes in axial tilt can influence the distribution of solar energy received at different latitudes, which can lead to changes in climate patterns.

### 3. Precession

• Definition: Precession refers to the wobble in the Earth's rotation axis, which changes the orientation of the axis over a cycle of about 26,000 years. This affects the timing of the seasons in relation to Earth's position in its orbit around the Sun.
• Effects on Climate: Precession can change the timing of when the Earth is closest to the Sun (perihelion) and farthest from the Sun (aphelion) during different seasons. This can lead to variations in seasonal climate patterns, such as warmer or cooler summers or winters, depending on the hemisphere.

### Combined Effects

• Ice Ages and Interglacial Periods: The interplay of these cycles can lead to significant climatic changes over thousands of years, including the onset and retreat of ice ages. For example, the last glacial maximum occurred about 20,000 years ago, and the transitions into and out of glacial periods can be linked to variations in the Milankovitch cycles.
• Long-Term Climate Trends: The Milankovitch cycles provide a framework for understanding long-term climate changes, such as glacial and interglacial periods, and help explain why the Earth has experienced cycles of warming and cooling over geological timescales.

### Conclusion
In summary, the Earth's orbit affects climate through the Milankovitch cycles by altering the distribution and intensity of solar radiation received at various latitudes and during different seasons. These orbital variations contribute to long-term climate patterns and are important for understanding the natural factors that influence Earth's climate history.

 

[Slade3200]

What your beaked birdbrain "reads" is completely discredited by the actual data. That requires an IQ over 5 to notice, which you lack...

Show what you refer to as actual data then… I have yet to see what you claim is credible

 

[EMH]

It’s not just one thing that drives climate change. It’s an entire ecosystem. Ocean currents, ice sheets, tectonic activity, the composition of the atmosphere etc… all plays a part

Lie...

ice is in command. Ice controls

ocean levels
atmospheric thickness, pressure, humidity, "wetness"
temperature both air and water, hence hurricane ranges


Ocean currents are like wind, and do not change Earth heat content.
Ice sheets are.... ICE, yup...
tectonic activity determines how much land is within 600 miles to the pole, which is what controls Earth ICE count, so yup, the main driver of ice is tectonic activity
composition of the atmosphere is laughably overhyped and not backed by empirical data at all. Amount of gas molecules in atmosphere matters, the content is yet to be proved to really change anything, and atmosphere itself did not cause

Greenland to freeze while North America thawed at the same time


So, yeah, it is ICE, and ICE is controlled by how much land is near the poles = tectonics

 

[EMH]

Show what you refer to as actual data then… I have yet to see what you claim is credible

LOL!!!


satellites and balloons = actual DATA

What the Co2 FRAUD calls "corrected data" = 100% pure FUDGED FRAUD


There is a difference, and most who believe Co2 FRAUD do not understand the difference. DATA comes from instruments. FUDGE comes from taxpayer funded politically motivated liars...

 

[EMH]

Milankovitch cycles

Those are the Co2 FRAUD's bogus responses post homO's 2 years of silence

obama climate silence 2010 2012 - Google Search

www.google.com

in order to rewrite North American Ice Age to discredit the truth that Greenland froze while North America thawed....


Milankovich is also referred to as McBullshit and it really is IQ<5 "who the hell peer reviewed this crap" junk, busted on both poles right here...

The lies of Milankovich Cycles aka McBullshit - where was land mass Antarctica 70 million years ago

McBullshit claims Antarctica has been on the South Pole forever, it never moved at all. And, while it is on the South Pole, it has rapidly gone from ice age to tropical paradise and back over and over.... a Dennis Quaid theory for sure... We know that Antarctica has 70 million year old...

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How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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[EMH]

The most important greenhouse gases (GHGs) in the Earth's atmosphere, which contribute to the greenhouse effect and global warming, include:

### 1. Water Vapor (H₂O)
- Role: Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas and plays a crucial role in the natural greenhouse effect. It can absorb a wide range of infrared radiation, significantly contributing to warming.
- Feedback Mechanism: Water vapor acts as a feedback mechanism rather than a direct driver of climate change. As the atmosphere warms due to other greenhouse gases, it can hold more water vapor, which in turn amplifies warming.

### 2. Carbon Dioxide (CO₂)
- Role: CO₂ is the second most significant greenhouse gas and is primarily responsible for the anthropogenic (human-caused) increase in greenhouse gas concentrations. It is released through fossil fuel combustion, deforestation, and various industrial processes.
- Impact: While less effective at trapping heat than water vapor, CO₂'s long atmospheric lifetime (hundreds to thousands of years) means it significantly influences long-term climate change.

### 3. Methane (CH₄)
- Role: Methane is a potent greenhouse gas that is over 25 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere than CO₂ over a 100-year period, although it is present in much lower concentrations.
- Sources: Methane is emitted during the production and transport of coal, oil, and natural gas. It is also released by livestock during digestion (enteric fermentation), by landfills, and from wetlands.

### 4. Nitrous Oxide (N₂O)
- Role: Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that is about 298 times more effective at trapping heat than CO₂ over a 100-year period. Although it is present in smaller amounts, it has a significant warming potential.
- Sources: It is released from agricultural and industrial activities, as well as during fossil fuel combustion and biomass burning.

### 5. Ozone (O₃)
- Role: Ozone is a greenhouse gas that occurs naturally in the stratosphere, where it protects life on Earth from harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation. However, ozone in the troposphere (the lower atmosphere) acts as a greenhouse gas and is a pollutant.
- Formation: Tropospheric ozone is formed from chemical reactions between volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the presence of sunlight.

### 6. Fluorinated Gases
- Role: This group includes synthetic gases such as hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF₆). These gases are potent greenhouse gases with high global warming potentials, but they are typically present in much lower concentrations than CO₂, methane, or nitrous oxide.
- Sources: They are used in various industrial applications, refrigeration, and air conditioning.

### Summary
While water vapor is the most abundant and has the largest impact on the greenhouse effect, CO₂, methane, and nitrous oxide are the most significant anthropogenic greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change. Each of these gases plays a unique role in the overall climate system, and their interactions and concentrations are critical for understanding and addressing climate change.

Every gas absorbs some part of EM, Sun EM. IR is weak EM, and hence adding Co2 does NOTHING.

 

[Slade3200]

Lie...

ice is in command. Ice controls

ocean levels
atmospheric thickness, pressure, humidity, "wetness"
temperature both air and water, hence hurricane ranges


Ocean currents are like wind, and do not change Earth heat content.
Ice sheets are.... ICE, yup...
tectonic activity determines how much land is within 600 miles to the pole, which is what controls Earth ICE count, so yup, the main driver of ice is tectonic activity
composition of the atmosphere is laughably overhyped and not backed by empirical data at all. Amount of gas molecules in atmosphere matters, the content is yet to be proved to really change anything, and atmosphere itself did not cause

Greenland to freeze while North America thawed at the same time


So, yeah, it is ICE, and ICE is controlled by how much land is near the poles = tectonics

Nobody is saying that changes in gas was responsible for Greenland freezing and NA thawing. If you need to use these absolutist arguments then you’re only showing a weak understanding of the topic.

Of course ice is a primary driver in climate. It’s all driven by heat transfer. Part of the system is our atmosphere that reflects and absorbed heat to make our climate sustainable for life. Without it we would have extreme temps during the day and night like we see on mars and the moon.

So the composition of the atmosphere absolutely matters. Even without studying the data in depth that should be an obvious point.

It sounds to me like you’re letting politics cloud your mind from observing the science and using basic logic

 

[Slade3200]

Every gas absorbs some part of EM, Sun EM. IR is weak EM, and hence adding Co2 does NOTHING.

Wrong… IR is the radiation the earth emits, it is long wave and it is absorbed by the atmosphere and remitted back to earth. It is a critical part of homeostasis. You do realize the impact a couple degrees of warming or cooling has on our climate and environment don’t you?

 

[EMH]

Nobody is saying that changes in gas was responsible for Greenland freezing and NA thawing.

Then gas it not the cause of Earth climate change.

Of course ice is a primary driver in climate. It’s all driven by heat transfer.

No, it is driven by the truth of 600 miles to the pole, just that, and only that.

Where is ice on Earth today

90% on Antarctica
7% on Greenland
0.3% on Ellesmere

leaving all of 2.7% for sea ice and mountain tops....

 

[EMH]

IR is the radiation the earth emits

Everything emits small amounts, why we can use IR satellites to gather temp data. That has been constant on Earth for billions of years.

You do realize the impact a couple degrees of warming

is what your side claims, but that is 100% pure FUDGE and no actual data....

Truth is Earth has NO WARMING outside of Urban Heat Island in THE ACTUAL DATA.

 

[Slade3200]

Then gas it not the cause of Earth climate change

Its absolutely part of the system... It doesn't need to be the main cause to be significant