The sun is constant yet ocean temperatures increase and decrease. Why?

[westwall]

How do you figure that?

Easy, man contributes less than 5%. You honestly think that tiny bit matters?

 

[ding]

Easy, man contributes less than 5%. You honestly think that tiny bit matters?

You lost me there. Where is the other 95% coming from?

 

[Slade3200]

There are no experiments. There are only computer models. Do you consider that to be evidence?

The geologic record of a cooling planet with elevated levels of CO2 compared to today is actual empirical climate evidence.

I think studying past climate conditions and making observations of modern weather events help build more accurate models

 

[ding]

I think studying past climate conditions and making observations of modern weather events help build more accurate models

Call me pessimistic but I don't believe we are even close to having models which are useful for anything other than political agendas.

Here's a paper that explains that depending upon which datasets are used scientists reach opposite conclusions.

Radware Bot Manager Captcha

And here's a paper that says slightly different initial conditions in GCM's can yield wildly different outputs.

https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf

But I think the biggest blind spot is how the ocean currents are being ignored. Tons of empirical climate evidence for that and the evidence makes sense too.

 

[Slade3200]

No offense but none of that explains why the planet cooled with CO2 greater than 600 ppm. At least not in real terms. Maybe start with the polar regions, land mass distribution and resulting ocean circulation currents. Because it's the uneven heating of the surface of the planet and how the ocean distributes that heat that determines climate especially to the Arctic. Because the Arctic is what is driving the glacial cycles of the last 3 million years.

If you're looking for more specific examples we can look at tectonic events that formed mountain ranges like the Himalayas... Mountains form and expose fresh layers of rock to the atmosphere which trigger silicate weathering, which removes CO2 from the atmosphere and results in cooling over time.

You can also look at the continental drift forming oceans and currents like the Gulf Stream and the Antarctic circumpolar current... heat transfer occurring because of ocean currents drove the formation of Ice Sheets, which reflect sunlight and cool the planet. Add to that orbital patterns effecting sunlight exposure, volcanic events releasing CO2 but also releasing ash that reflects sunlight, plant growth, plankton activity, and marine carbon storage... There are many many factors that can cause the earth to cool with high amounts of CO2 in the air, and plenty of evidence to see it cool when those levels are reduced and warm when CO2 levels rise.

 

[abu afak]

Easy, man contributes less than 5%. You honestly think that tiny bit matters?

Per Year and in Excess of the Natural Carbon Cycle.
You think it just goes away you Moron?
And CO2 can stay in the atmosphere for Decades, especially if it's in good part cumulative (it is).
and why it's now up 50% in 100/150 yrs from 280 to 425 PPM.
(and 33% in 70 years)
Oooops!

Low IQ AGW Denier accidentally Steps in it/get's beat again! #6745
`

 

[ding]

If you're looking for more specific examples we can look at tectonic events that formed mountain ranges like the Himalayas... Mountains form and expose fresh layers of rock to the atmosphere which trigger silicate weathering, which removes CO2 from the atmosphere and results in cooling over time.

You can also look at the continental drift forming oceans and currents like the Gulf Stream and the Antarctic circumpolar current... heat transfer occurring because of ocean currents drove the formation of Ice Sheets, which reflect sunlight and cool the planet. Add to that orbital patterns effecting sunlight exposure, volcanic events releasing CO2 but also releasing ash that reflects sunlight, plant growth, plankton activity, and marine carbon storage... There are many many factors that can cause the earth to cool with high amounts of CO2 in the air, and plenty of evidence to see it cool when those levels are reduced and warm when CO2 levels rise.

Yes, the Himalayas had an affect. So did the closing of the seaway between the Atlantic and Pacific. But the real story is the thermal isolation of the poles and the threshold temperature for extensive continental glaciation at each pole.

Ever study the annotations on this plot?

 

[Slade3200]

No. Not one bit. Mankind adds less than 5% of the global CO2 production.

It’s true that natural processes emit much more CO2 than humans do but natural emissions are mostly balanced by natural absorption. Human activities contribute about 5-10% of total CO2 emissions like you suggested, but those emissions are unbalanced, driven by things like burning fossil fuels and deforestation. They mostly result in the accumulation of higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere, which contributes to accelerated climate changes. Your point focusing solely on the percentage of emissions without considering the imbalance it creates is misleading.

 

[Slade3200]

Yes, the Himalayas had an affect. So did the closing of the seaway between the Atlantic and Pacific. But the real story is the thermal isolation of the poles and the threshold temperature for extensive continental glaciation at each pole.

Ever study the annotations on this plot?

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I have not seen that one... thanks for sharing

 

[abu afak]

I have not seen that one... thanks for sharing

You IDIOT.
He posts it/them or the like Twice a day... or more.
That graph is in Millions of years. it doesn't/can't show if man's has Unnaturally heated the earth in the last 150 years, and doesn't/Can't show anything has happened as fast in geologic time as Our 100/150 year AGW SPIKE in CO2 or Temperature.
The scale is intentionally Off so to make Our 150 years look like nature's 3 Million.

You don't know the basics, and beyond that, don't have the IQ to participate.
Ding is a disingenuous monkey, but he can make a monkey out of you easily.
That bad.
`

 

[Dagosa]

There are a lot of factors that go into climate and weather. sun spots, asteroids, comets, volcanic eruptions, subtle changes in the earth's rotation and revolution around the sun. It just isn't one thing.

That's why the weather changed so much from a million years ago when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth- even though SUV's hadn't even been invented yet.

Goolgle that question.

 

[Slade3200]

You IDIOT.
He posts it/them or the like Twice a day... or more.
That graph is in Millions of years. it doesn't/can't show if man's has Unnaturally heated the earth in the last 150 years, and doesn't/Can't show anything has happened as fast in geologic time as Our 100/150 year AGW SPIKE in CO2 or Temperature.
The scale is intentionally Off so to make Our 150 years look like nature's 3 Million.

You don't know the basics, and beyond that, don't have the IQ to participate.
Ding is a disingenuous monkey, but he can make a monkey out of you easily.
That bad.
`

We weren't discussing the industrial effects that man has had in the environment. Perhaps seek better understanding of discussions before you jump in to call others idiots, while sounding like an idiot yourself. Unlike you who emotionally reacts to everything, I'm happy to look at, question, and discuss anything that another person wants to present without jumping to conclusions and prematurely passing judgement like you've been doing all thread. Your insecurities and overcompensations are very transparent.

 

[abu afak]

We weren't discussing the industrial effects that man has had in the environment. Perhaps seek better understanding of discussions before you jump in to call others idiots, while sounding like an idiot yourself. Unlike you who emotionally reacts to everything, I'm happy to look at, question, and discuss anything that another person wants to present without jumping to conclusions and prematurely passing judgement like you've been doing all thread. Your insecurities and overcompensations are very transparent.

His claims and this section are not New to either of us you moron. They are 5+ years and counting.
Only you are new and have not done ANY serious googling/research.
I beat his BS/Lies on my First day here.
START USING GOOGLE AND GOOD SOURCES YOU LOW IQ LAZY MORON.
IT'S EASY TO FIND THE TRUTH
IE
MY POST #1
A SIMPLE QUESTION WITH HIGH QUALITY SOURCES.
EVER USE GOOGLE FOR ANYTHING BUT SNEAKERS?

How do we Know Humans are Causing Climate Change?​

How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

so many clowns, new and old here, say it's all natural "it goes up, it goes down" but scientists have actually looked into WHY this cycle is different than the others. About 615,000,000 results (0.30 seconds) Search Results Web results How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural...

www.usmessageboard.com

Then pick a link/any link: Yale, NASA, Columbia, etc, etc

(or you can just take Lying ConspiracYst ding's word)

EDIT
Look at ding scramble/PANIC/attempt to Bury below with NO CONTENT posts. No answers to his graph BS, etc, etc.
Unlike my posts with ie, relevant CO2 Concentration/CARBON CYCLE stats.
He also got refuted on the last page by me re IPCC. (and the one before it)
It's that way on every page, but morons like you just keep talking, not acknowledging/understanding as he just emptily BS his way to the next page.
Note Westwall got beat above and went away.

Ding just keeps posting emptily/endlessly -now 5 posts- saying Nothing on point below hoping some moron like you gets him off this page with replies.

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[ding]

Per Year and in Excess of the Natural Carbon Cycle.
You think it just goes away you Moron?
And CO2 can stay in the atmosphere for Decades, especially if it's in good part cumulative (it is).
and why it's now up 50% in 100/150 yrs from 280 to 425 PPM.
(and 33% in 70 years)
Oooops!

Low IQ AGW Denier accidentally Steps in it/get's beat again! #6745
`

You make these conversations harder than they need be by your rude and childish behavior.

 

[ding]

We weren't discussing the industrial effects that man has had in the environment. Perhaps seek better understanding of discussions before you jump in to call others idiots, while sounding like an idiot yourself. Unlike you who emotionally reacts to everything, I'm happy to look at, question, and discuss anything that another person wants to present without jumping to conclusions and prematurely passing judgement like you've been doing all thread. Your insecurities and overcompensations are very transparent.

Thank you.

 

[ding]

Ding is a disingenuous monkey, but he can make a monkey out of you easily.

I've studied paleoclimates for over 20 years and I'm an engineer by degree and trade. What have you done?

 

[ding]

His claims and this section are not New to either of us you moron. They are 5+ years and counting.
Only you are new and have not done ANY serious googling/research.
I beat his BS in the in my First day here.
START USING GOOGLE AND GOOD SOURCES YOU LOW IQ LAZY MORON.
IT'S EASY TO FIND THE TRUTH
IE
MY POST #1
A SIMPLE QUESTION WITH HIGH QUALITY SOURCES.
EVER USE GOOGLE FOR ANYTHING BUT SNEAKERS?

How do we Know Humans are Causing Climate Change?​

How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

so many clowns, new and old here, say it's all natural "it goes up, it goes down" but scientists have actually looked into WHY this cycle is different than the others. About 615,000,000 results (0.30 seconds) Search Results Web results How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural...

www.usmessageboard.com

Then pick a link/any link: Yale, NASA, Columbia, etc, etc

(or can just take conspiracYst ding's word)

`

You really know how to make friends and influence people.

I suggest you study up on transactional analysis. It will help you learn how to converse like an adult instead of a spoiled brat who isn't getting her way.

 

[ding]

We weren't discussing the industrial effects that man has had in the environment. Perhaps seek better understanding of discussions before you jump in to call others idiots, while sounding like an idiot yourself. Unlike you who emotionally reacts to everything, I'm happy to look at, question, and discuss anything that another person wants to present without jumping to conclusions and prematurely passing judgement like you've been doing all thread. Your insecurities and overcompensations are very transparent.

When dealing with people like abu afak it's helpful to remember that with behaviors like that there's no way that they are professionals. At best they are low wage workers if even that.

 

[ding]

I have not seen that one... thanks for sharing

You can literally read the threshold temperature for extensive continental glaciation - for the current landmass configuration - for each pole from that graph.

 

[EMH]

No. You can't provide one because no one agrees with you.

We are waiting for the official Co2 FRAUD analysis of oxygen isotopes in Antarctic Peninsula volcanic eruptions...

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT RATIO IS. YOUR DATA IS DIRTY AND COMPROMISED BECAUSE OF IT.