The Stupid Lie called The Theory of Evolution

[ChrisL]

You think it's more "plausible" that the earth was created by some mythical being? Seriously?

Again, Chris... I have said this repeatedly throughout the thread... It doesn't matter if I have a better theory. Science is not a pissing contest where I have to come up with a better theory than yours. It is entirely up to YOU to prove your theories... it doesn't matter if I have a theory or if I can prove mine.

I don't believe in "mythical beings" ...I believe in spiritual nature. There is no "being" involved, mythical or otherwise. And let me clarify that... It's not just that I blindly have faith in my belief, I am aware of spiritual nature and it proves itself to me daily. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it's there. You see... I'm not big on blind faith. I generally have to see some evidence before I believe it. That's why I reject the theories of macro-evolution and abiogenesis... I have not seen the evidence to support it. That's not me saying it's not true or the theories aren't valid... I just don't believe them until I see evidence.

You don't have any science or any evidence at all to back up your "theory."

Why don't you just say, you reject science in favor of unfounded beliefs because of your "feelings?" That would be honest.

 

[Boss]

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...but he certainly believes the probability a God poofed adult creatures into existence is an equally probable outcome as evolution...

And you believe that some random chemical reaction happened to turn inorganic matter into organic matter and *poof* spawn trillions and trillions of interdependent life forms... despite the fact that with all the modern technology and labs at your disposal, have never been able to reproduce such a chemical reaction.

No. You believe because we can't reproduce it in the lab that that proves macro evolution is wrong. You're wrong. Even if macro isn't true, you don't have a better theory. Macro is the theory that makes the most sense. Explaining it to you over and over would be an exercise in futility

It made the most sense that the Earth was flat.... It made the most sense that the universe revolved around the Earth... It made the most sense that the universe was comprised mostly of atoms... What makes the most sense is not always what is true. That's where Science comes in.... it doesn't care what makes the most sense, it's about questioning these things, testing and evaluating evidence.

You simply can't declare me wrong because that's your opinion. That's what closed-minded bigots do. Closed-minded bigots who believe their opinions are always right regardless of whether they can back their opinions up with evidence, have no business in Science. Your mindset is precisely what Science was invented to defeat.

ThoThose things made sense when people were no smarter than you. Once the Enlightenment Period began and people started using the scientific method.

I believe you know the truth but choose to be willfully ignorant. I think you could possibly be this stupid or stubborn

You're simply reiterating my point. After the Scientific Method, intelligent people began to gravitate toward Science instead of "Conventional Wisdom" on things.... (like a certain type of mammal having a duck bill and assuming that it is "in between" a duck and mammal because of how it looks.)

As I pointed out to you earlier... Nothing in the Scientific Method dictates that I must come up with a more plausible explanation or your theory is correct. Nothing in the Scientific Method says your theories are validated by denigrating and insulting others and their beliefs. Nothing there about what "most people believe is true" or anything of that sort.

 

[Boss]

Even if I believed in your God I would assume it planted one seed that turned into all life. Yes that is mind boggling but your spirit put adult humans here makes absolute zero sense. But it's proof how gullible igorant and brainwashed humans are. We will believe anything

Yes... some of us believe things that are totally not backed up by science yet we claim them to be.

The ONLY difference between your "faith-based belief" and mine is that you dishonestly try to masquerade your beliefs as science when they're not. At least I honestly admit that mine is a faith-based belief.

And I didn't ever say that a spirit put adult humans here. I don't know what happened. You don't know either but you dance around here claiming you do... then admitting you don't really know... then back to claiming you do know. You appeal to popularity and ridicule and think that this suffices as scientific evidence.

It is science. Lol. You think we are just making stuff up here? I learned the Theory of Evolution in science class when I was in middle school for goodness sake!

And I did too.... Like I said, the theory of evolution (micro-evolution) is merely the adaptive changes in a species that can spawn new species. This is evidenced by many varieties of life. What there is NO basis for in Science is this theory of MACRO-evolution... whereby new genera of life are formed. The science we have available indicates this is not possible because of the barriers to DNA mitochondria. They cannot produce by any means we know of, the needed and required amino acids and enzymes to form new forms of life. Now maybe one day we'll unlock some secret to this and understand it... OR... maybe we'll discover something totally different and mind-blowing? We don't know... but to bow up and proclaim that Science has answered these questions is simply the antithesis of Science itself.

 

[ChrisL]

Even if I believed in your God I would assume it planted one seed that turned into all life. Yes that is mind boggling but your spirit put adult humans here makes absolute zero sense. But it's proof how gullible igorant and brainwashed humans are. We will believe anything

Yes... some of us believe things that are totally not backed up by science yet we claim them to be.

The ONLY difference between your "faith-based belief" and mine is that you dishonestly try to masquerade your beliefs as science when they're not. At least I honestly admit that mine is a faith-based belief.

And I didn't ever say that a spirit put adult humans here. I don't know what happened. You don't know either but you dance around here claiming you do... then admitting you don't really know... then back to claiming you do know. You appeal to popularity and ridicule and think that this suffices as scientific evidence.

It is science. Lol. You think we are just making stuff up here? I learned the Theory of Evolution in science class when I was in middle school for goodness sake!

And I did too.... Like I said, the theory of evolution (micro-evolution) is merely the adaptive changes in a species that can spawn new species. This is evidenced by many varieties of life. What there is NO basis for in Science is this theory of MACRO-evolution... whereby new genera of life are formed. The science we have available indicates this is not possible because of the barriers to DNA mitochondria. They cannot produce by any means we know of, the needed and required amino acids and enzymes to form new forms of life. Now maybe one day we'll unlock some secret to this and understand it... OR... maybe we'll discover something totally different and mind-blowing? We don't know... but to bow up and proclaim that Science has answered these questions is simply the antithesis of Science itself.

It's a gradual change of species adaptations due to their environment or a "branching" out of species that occurs over many, many years. There is no secret. There is plenty of evidence for those who aren't wearing blinders.

 

[ChrisL]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Lol. I'm stunned, seriously.

 

[Boss]

You think it's more "plausible" that the earth was created by some mythical being? Seriously?

Again, Chris... I have said this repeatedly throughout the thread... It doesn't matter if I have a better theory. Science is not a pissing contest where I have to come up with a better theory than yours. It is entirely up to YOU to prove your theories... it doesn't matter if I have a theory or if I can prove mine.

I don't believe in "mythical beings" ...I believe in spiritual nature. There is no "being" involved, mythical or otherwise. And let me clarify that... It's not just that I blindly have faith in my belief, I am aware of spiritual nature and it proves itself to me daily. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it's there. You see... I'm not big on blind faith. I generally have to see some evidence before I believe it. That's why I reject the theories of macro-evolution and abiogenesis... I have not seen the evidence to support it. That's not me saying it's not true or the theories aren't valid... I just don't believe them until I see evidence.

You don't have any science or any evidence at all to back up your "theory."

Why don't you just say, you reject science in favor of unfounded beliefs because of your "feelings?" That would be honest.

You're late to the party dear... I said it two pages ago, this is my BELIEF... not a science theory.

I do not reject science... I don't accept other people's beliefs disguised and presented as Science. I don't accept speculations as facts. If you want to present some actual SCIENCE we can discuss it... but what I continue to see here is not people practicing Science at all... it's people expressing their FAITH.

 

[Boss]

It's a gradual change of species adaptations due to their environment or a "branching" out of species that occurs over many, many years. There is no secret. There is plenty of evidence for those who aren't wearing blinders.

Exactly... Micro-evolution is adaptive changes in species over time and can result in spawning new species within the genus taxa. I have never disputed this and I can gladly give any "religious" person plenty of examples to back that up.... no problem.

But that's NOT what Evolutionists promote. They want to claim that ALL life evolved from a common single cell life form through a process of MACRO-evolution... which is quite a different thing. There is exactly ZERO evidence to support that theory. It is totally a faith-based belief predicated on MICRO-evolution theory. I reject it because there is no Science at this time to support it.

 

[Boss]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Lol. I'm stunned, seriously.

It IS unbelievably stunning that we continue to have these long drawn out threads where people CLAIM to be promoting Science but they can't back their claims up with legitimate science and they always resort to the same old tired bashing of religious beliefs and ridicule of Creation theory to prop up their 1859 failed theory.

 

[ChrisL]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Lol. I'm stunned, seriously.

It IS unbelievably stunning that we continue to have these long drawn out threads where people CLAIM to be promoting Science but they can't back their claims up with legitimate science and they always resort to the same old tired bashing of religious beliefs and ridicule of Creation theory to prop up their 1859 failed theory.

Well, those beliefs are silly to some people. Like believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Boss]

Well, those beliefs are silly to some people. Like believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

Well some people think it's just as silly to believe random chance produced some miraculous chemical reaction that spawned trillions of interdependent and interconnected life forms out of nothingness. Some people think it's silly to presume physical nature defied logic and it's own fundamental principles and created itself out of nothingness. Lots of intellectual people think it's silly to believe mitochondrial DNA can randomly generate the needed amino acids and enzymes to spawn a new genus of life.

Way back... MOST people though Galileo was silly positing the universe didn't revolve around Earth. At one time, almost everyone thought it was silly the Earth was anything other than flat.... that black people were of the human species... that the universe wasn't comprised mostly of atoms... Lot and lots of things we believe are silly to other people... that never has been the basis for making your arguments correct or true.

I get that you loathe the Christian religion and you think worshipers of that religion are like people who believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Clause.... but that ain't science. It has nothing to do with supporting your scientific theories or making the case for your arguments.

 

[ChrisL]

You think it's more "plausible" that the earth was created by some mythical being? Seriously?

Again, Chris... I have said this repeatedly throughout the thread... It doesn't matter if I have a better theory. Science is not a pissing contest where I have to come up with a better theory than yours. It is entirely up to YOU to prove your theories... it doesn't matter if I have a theory or if I can prove mine.

I don't believe in "mythical beings" ...I believe in spiritual nature. There is no "being" involved, mythical or otherwise. And let me clarify that... It's not just that I blindly have faith in my belief, I am aware of spiritual nature and it proves itself to me daily. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it's there. You see... I'm not big on blind faith. I generally have to see some evidence before I believe it. That's why I reject the theories of macro-evolution and abiogenesis... I have not seen the evidence to support it. That's not me saying it's not true or the theories aren't valid... I just don't believe them until I see evidence.

You don't have any science or any evidence at all to back up your "theory."

Why don't you just say, you reject science in favor of unfounded beliefs because of your "feelings?" That would be honest.

You're late to the party dear... I said it two pages ago, this is my BELIEF... not a science theory.

I do not reject science... I don't accept other people's beliefs disguised and presented as Science. I don't accept speculations as facts. If you want to present some actual SCIENCE we can discuss it... but what I continue to see here is not people practicing Science at all... it's people expressing their FAITH.

Sorry, but the theory of evolution IS science. Lol. That's why we learn about it in SCIENCE class. The theory was put forth by SCIENTISTS.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, those beliefs are silly to some people. Like believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

Well some people think it's just as silly to believe random chance produced some miraculous chemical reaction that spawned trillions of interdependent and interconnected life forms out of nothingness. Some people think it's silly to presume physical nature defied logic and it's own fundamental principles and created itself out of nothingness. Lots of intellectual people think it's silly to believe mitochondrial DNA can randomly generate the needed amino acids and enzymes to spawn a new genus of life.

Way back... MOST people though Galileo was silly positing the universe didn't revolve around Earth. At one time, almost everyone thought it was silly the Earth was anything other than flat.... that black people were of the human species... that the universe wasn't comprised mostly of atoms... Lot and lots of things we believe are silly to other people... that never has been the basis for making your arguments correct or true.

I get that you loathe the Christian religion and you think worshipers of that religion are like people who believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Clause.... but that ain't science. It has nothing to do with supporting your scientific theories or making the case for your arguments.

Thinking you are silly and loathing you are two entirely different things. I find you to be silly. I don't "loathe" the religion. It's silly superstition is all.

 

[Hollie]

Well, those beliefs are silly to some people. Like believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

Well some people think it's just as silly to believe random chance produced some miraculous chemical reaction that spawned trillions of interdependent and interconnected life forms out of nothingness. Some people think it's silly to presume physical nature defied logic and it's own fundamental principles and created itself out of nothingness. Lots of intellectual people think it's silly to believe mitochondrial DNA can randomly generate the needed amino acids and enzymes to spawn a new genus of life.

Way back... MOST people though Galileo was silly positing the universe didn't revolve around Earth. At one time, almost everyone thought it was silly the Earth was anything other than flat.... that black people were of the human species... that the universe wasn't comprised mostly of atoms... Lot and lots of things we believe are silly to other people... that never has been the basis for making your arguments correct or true.

I get that you loathe the Christian religion and you think worshipers of that religion are like people who believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Clause.... but that ain't science. It has nothing to do with supporting your scientific theories or making the case for your arguments.

Oh my. Bossy has retreated to the "random chance" meme. That's right out of the Christian fundamentalist playbook and an ignorant slogan one can find at any of the fundamentalist ministries.

In connection with your "random chance" comment, and with specific regard to biological evolution, you make a mistake common among those with no understanding of evolutionary processes and those pressing an agenda derived from Christian creation ministries. Genetic variation might be random, but the natural selection that acts on that variation is not. Adaptation is non-random, as it is the result of objective criteria for fitness.

You owe it to yourself to learn the process of science you despise. Are you thinking that the Henry Morris / Benny Hinn types are serving your best interest?

Fitness effects of advantageous mutations in evolving - The Panda's Thumb

Evolution by natural selection is driven by the continuous generation of adaptive mutations. We measured the genomic mutation rate that generates beneficial mutations and their effects on fitness in Escherichia coli under conditions in which the effect of competition between lineages carrying different beneficial mutations is minimized. We found a rate on the order of 10-5 per genome per generation, which is 1000 times as high as previous estimates, and a mean selective advantage of 1%. Such a high rate of adaptive evolution has implications for the evolution of antibiotic resistance and pathogenicity.

Unfortunately, you fail to realize the hopelessness of ID'iot creationism as a means to explain anything. Firstly, it has been demonstrated that there is nothing in ID'iot creationism that can be used as a reliable or even useful way to detect ‘super-magical design’. Secondly, nothing in ID'iot creationism can exclude Darwinian evolution ie:, natural selection as a mechanism even when your super-magical designer gawds are presumed as the cause of existence. Thirdly ID'iot creationism has failed as a mechanism to make predictions based upon the extant theory (as science does) leaving ID'iot creationism shown to be useful only as a trivial, non-scientific absurdity.

 

[sealybobo]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Lol. I'm stunned, seriously.

It IS unbelievably stunning that we continue to have these long drawn out threads where people CLAIM to be promoting Science but they can't back their claims up with legitimate science and they always resort to the same old tired bashing of religious beliefs and ridicule of Creation theory to prop up their 1859 failed theory.

We did ad nauseum.

 

[Boss]

Sorry, but the theory of evolution IS science. Lol. That's why we learn about it in SCIENCE class. The theory was put forth by SCIENTISTS.

Damn, hard head... what part of this are you missing? MICRO = Science... MACRO = Speculation.

I have NO problem with Science.

I have a real problem with Speculation being presented AS Science.

I don't CARE about what you learned in school.

I don't CARE if your speculations are popular.

I don't CARE if Religionz R Badd!

I DO CARE about actual scientific results.

If you cannot prove macro-evolution happens, you can't claim it is a scientific fact.

 

[sealybobo]

...but he certainly believes the probability a God poofed adult creatures into existence is an equally probable outcome as evolution...

And you believe that some random chemical reaction happened to turn inorganic matter into organic matter and *poof* spawn trillions and trillions of interdependent life forms... despite the fact that with all the modern technology and labs at your disposal, have never been able to reproduce such a chemical reaction.

No. You believe because we can't reproduce it in the lab that that proves macro evolution is wrong. You're wrong. Even if macro isn't true, you don't have a better theory. Macro is the theory that makes the most sense. Explaining it to you over and over would be an exercise in futility

It made the most sense that the Earth was flat.... It made the most sense that the universe revolved around the Earth... It made the most sense that the universe was comprised mostly of atoms... What makes the most sense is not always what is true. That's where Science comes in.... it doesn't care what makes the most sense, it's about questioning these things, testing and evaluating evidence.

You simply can't declare me wrong because that's your opinion. That's what closed-minded bigots do. Closed-minded bigots who believe their opinions are always right regardless of whether they can back their opinions up with evidence, have no business in Science. Your mindset is precisely what Science was invented to defeat.

How much scientific thought went into thinking the earth was flat? Was there 4 sciences that combined proved the earth was flat?

Hollie gave you a link with like 28 reasons macro is true. Did you read all 28?

It's ridiculous for you to tell us you have a problem with a scientific theory and ask us to explain what takes scientists 4 years to learn.

 

[sealybobo]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Lol. I'm stunned, seriously.

I don't believe the theory of gravity. I think God is magically holding us down. And you can't prove gravity. Your belief in gravity is faith based. You are no different than a religion swallowing the gravity myth.

And like boss, I don't have to prove my theory to you. That's not how science works. Now begin proving gravity is real. Go.

 

[sealybobo]

Sorry, but the theory of evolution IS science. Lol. That's why we learn about it in SCIENCE class. The theory was put forth by SCIENTISTS.

Damn, hard head... what part of this are you missing? MICRO = Science... MACRO = Speculation.

I have NO problem with Science.

I have a real problem with Speculation being presented AS Science.

I don't CARE about what you learned in school.

I don't CARE if your speculations are popular.

I don't CARE if Religionz R Badd!

I DO CARE about actual scientific results.

If you cannot prove macro-evolution happens, you can't claim it is a scientific fact.

Neither is gravity. No matter what you show me that's not gravity. It could be something else

 

[Boss]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Lol. I'm stunned, seriously.

It IS unbelievably stunning that we continue to have these long drawn out threads where people CLAIM to be promoting Science but they can't back their claims up with legitimate science and they always resort to the same old tired bashing of religious beliefs and ridicule of Creation theory to prop up their 1859 failed theory.

We did ad nauseum.

Well... NO, you haven't. You've posted links to your activist atheist propaganda sites as usual. I know you believe they arm you well to do battle against them mean old awful kurshtans and it makes your little weenie hard to think that other people hate religious folks as much as you.... but you aren't presenting any kind of actual science to support your arguments. All through this thread, you appeal to ridicule and you appeal to popularity. You seem to think these are tools of the scientific method as well as challenging me to present a better speculation.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Well, those beliefs are silly to some people. Like believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

Well some people think it's just as silly to believe random chance produced some miraculous chemical reaction

what happened is that God, I call God the "Biff Corleone", mixed up some mud and water and shaped it into humans...then he blew life into the mud figures ...then the fun started...he set up a game called "tree of Knowledge verbotten" he then sent a talking snake that convinced the female mud figure come alive to eat of the Fruit of the Tree of knowledge and from that point on the Big Corleone threw us the hell out of paradise ...that is why we have to go through the hell of reading your horse shit...